Originally Posted by Styln
That is so awesome that you spend quality time with AG
Thanks for all the info on the upgrade process and the sound. I'm interested in the upgrade, too. Any idea on the cost and also when it will be generally available? Just FYI, I'd be interested in an option where the the parts are shipped out and I perform the transformation/labor.
Quality time with Anthony
he says I only come over to get my "Dog Fix". He's got a wonderful Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Dante, that I always spend time playing tug-o-war and fetch with when I visit.
Anthony wasn't sure yet about final pricing on the upgrade. One of the reasons I got to be a Guinea-Pig, is that he needed to get a feel for doing an actual upgrade on a stock 3.1. Running through a full upgrade is different than tweaking a speaker over the course of its development. But I think Anthony is nearly ready to begin accepting speakers for upgrade. He said they'll be doing upgrades on both the east and west cost to cut down on shipping charges.
FWIW, the tweeter gets modified, and the other 3 drivers are replaced. Also replaced are the mid-range housings and the tweeter mounts. The internal wiring gets modified, along with the cross-over for the woofer. It really is a very involved process. There is a good amount of sealant/glue inside the speaker that is there to seal openings and prevent screws from coming loose over time. The old stuff needs to be removed, and new sealant applied during assembly. Anthony had offered me a couple of A' La Carte options to save me some money, but I didn't take them because he demonstrated the differences on a set of test mules he had on hand. The by-pass caps on the woofer cross-over cost me a few hundred, but they are absolutely worth it, and I sincerely doubt that commercial upgrades will be anything less than 100%.
As far as a kit goes, I'd thought about going the DIY route myself, but after seeing all that's involved, I'm very glad Anthony suggested otherwise. For reference, I've fully rebuilt the suspension on, and pulled and replaced the motor in my TwinTurbo 300zx in my driveway a couple of times, so I'm pretty mechanically inclined
But I'll be sure to let him know the interest is there for DIY upgrade kits.
Originally Posted by IcemanDallas
Thanks for posting your experiences and thoughts. Did you get an opportunity to audition the 3.1 and 3.5 side by side? Not doubting what you heard but this is definately a situation where I would want to A/B a speaker and I doubt I'd get that chance at the local dealer. Are you bi-amping the 3.5's?
I never A/B'd them in my system, but I did A/B 3.1 against 3.5 a number of times at Anthony's and the results were similar. I even got a chance to A/B my 3.5s against 3.1s when I picked them up. I think it was more dramatic for me noting the changes in my system because I'm obviously more familiar with the sound I get here. A/B'ing at Anthony's is similar to going to a demo someplace, you get the gist of the differences in the sound but none of it is fully familiar so it's harder to really judge.
I've never powered the woofer's second VC while listening to them, not in my system, or when listening at Anthony's.
As far as Bi-Amp/Bi-Wiring goes, I'd like to clarify for anyone who may read this, that the Reference 3.x series isn't Bi-Amp/Bi-Wire capable in the traditional sense. The upper binding posts power the whole speaker, and the signal runs through a low-pass crossover to power one of the woofer's two voice coils. The second set of binding posts, directly powers the woofer's second voice-coil with no filtering.