Originally Posted by bhull302
See, thats the beauty of the ID model, I can even audition several ID brands at once right in my living room while sucking a few cold ones down without a commissioned salesman breathing down my neck.
And thereby equally skewing your perception of the speaker.
Perhaps B&Mers should get a liquor license for their shops--it would equalize the alcohol equation during in-home auditions and put them on equal footing.
You guys bash and bash the ID customers like myself with no audition choices and offer no alternatives. You guys only respond based off the fact the B&M mid-fi business is on its way to a slow death (see title of thread for proof) and your pissed off about it.
We heard this BS 10 years ago, and so far, only the ill-equipped/funded orgs have gone by the wayside. Good dealers think this is good news.
The cold hard facts at least to me who has only been poking around this stuff for the last four months is this: The ID model works. The biggest gripe from the dealers is the lack of comparatively auditioning speakers, so the IDs say fine, audition them in your home and send them back if they aren't good enough.
In comparison to what? That's the issue. If you only want to compare what you have to ID stuff, fine. The best time to have an in-home audition is only after the choice has been whittled down at the store--the home test is the final stage to see if they work OK in your environment (although that's kinda silly too, given the fact that your room may not always be the same--or even in the same home, but whatever. Gotta give people what they think they need I suppose).
Then the dealers say "well they aren't such a good deal as they seem due to the size of the ID companies and the economies of scale of the big boys" but these same folks don't ever provide proof of this. They complain about people buying unheard or without comparing, yet they won't even take the IDs up on their offer and park the ID flagships in their shops to compare for themselves. One thing has made itself crystal clear to me in my few months here, the B&M dealers are on the defensive and the ID guys are on the offensive.
The only thing that's crystal clear is that all ID brands are put on the same level, even though in no other category of consumer product does that happen. With a broad brush, some here assume (or assert, which is even funnier) that because a brand is ID, the value is superior. This is, without exception, lacking a consistent comparison across all price points. I think what dealers are upset about is the fact that these assertions are made from a seemingly-authoritative perspective, giving credence to the theory without anything other than net hysteria to back it up.
Capitalism is a form of Darwinism, adapt or die.
Blah blah blah. Did you cut and paste that phrase from a post in 1998?
IDs saw the niche they could fill, brought out product, and are pushing out the old established way of doing things because of a lack of adaption to the changing field of e-commerce and the more educated customer. Tweeter could have pulled things out with a hybrid ID + B&M model.
Yes--Dealers need to address the net, but the best way is to still draw people into the store and give the customer a contact in-store. Do not confuse ID brand strategy with what B&Mers need to do to satisfy the PERCEPTION that some consumers have that internet purchases are superior.
God, to think four months ago I couldn't have cared less about B&M vs ID, hadn't even heard of it, to think I WANTED to go the B&M route, WANTED the big boy brand name in my living room. Now look at me, I sound like a bona fide ID fanboi and my speakers wont be here for another week or so.
Thanks to the power of AVS brainwashing, you're a fanboi and haven't even heard your speakers yet. Ca-lassic. And, speaks to the point some of us have been making.
Sorry if this post sounds harsh, a couple one-liner responses here rubbed me a little wrong, maybe thats why after coming into this with no preconceptions I firmly landed on the ID side of the fence
I'm glad a debate online from people you don't know (and probably never will) has influenced your listening
decision. I'd stop typing now lest you be branded a lemming my friend.
Somehow, even if you don't like what you hear, I doubt we'll hear anything but superlatives.