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I plan on buying some Vienna Acoustic Haydn Grands ,and I am not sure which integrated amp I should buy to go with them. My concern was having enough power to drive them, being that they are 4 ohm speakers. I do not want to spend more than $2000 dollars on an integrated amp. I also plan on also buying a laptop to use as my music source. So far I have considered:

1. Rotel RA 1570
2. Peachtree Audio Nova 220
3. Peachtree Audio Nova 125
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I plan on buying some Vienna Acoustic Haydn Grands ,and I am not sure which integrated amp I should buy to go with them. My concern was having enough power to drive them, being that they are 4 ohm speakers. I do not want to spend more than $2000 dollars on an integrated amp. I also plan on also buying a laptop to use as my music source. So far I have considered:

1. Rotel RA 1570
2. Peachtree Audio Nova 220
3. Peachtree Audio Nova 125
I think the Rotel is underpowered for the Haydns given my past experience.
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Maybe I should get the Peachtree audio nova 220. I am willing to go a couple hundred over my budget If I need to. Any other recommendations for the haydns?
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I noticed the total harmonic distortion on the Peachtree 220 se is ( .2 ) Not sure if that would make a significant difference in sound quality. It apparently has much more power than the rotel . 220 @8ohms and 350 @4ohms.
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Maybe I should get the Peachtree audio nova 220. I am willing to go a couple hundred over my budget If I need to. Any other recommendations for the haydns?
For an integrated, the Wyred4Sound specs look good but it's a little more than your limit. But I have no experience.
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Thanks I will definitely check out that one.
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For an integrated, the Wyred4Sound specs look good but it's a little more than your limit. But I have no experience.
Are you talking about the sti 500 or sti 1000? Do you think the sti 500 would be sufficient for the haydns? They look like amazing amps. I would be willing to drop $2,000 on the sti 500. I might be able to get the sti 1000 if you really think thats the one I need to make the haydns sound their best, but $2500 is really pushing it for the amp .

I wonder if I can hook up a laptop to either of these amps? Honestly, I have a ton of cds, so I dont really have to go the laptop mp3 route. I do have a dvd player that I could temporarily use as a cd transport until I get a decent player. But just looking at the connections on the back of the sti 500, I'm not even sure how I would hook up my dvd player to it in order to use the DAC in the integrated amp. It would have to be hooked up digitally right? In order to use the DAC in the amp.

Im still new to all of this. I currently have no equipment and I am trying to build a stereo around the Haydns. My budget for the entire system is anywhere between $4000 - $5000 max.

Ive picked the speakers I want. Now I just need to find the integrated amp and music source. Like I said , I do have a lot of cds. So I would be content just listening to cds, instead of hooking up a laptop.

Any other thoughts would be helpful, thanks.

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Do you think the sti 500 would be sufficient for the haydns? ...
I wonder if I can hook up a laptop to either of these amps? Honestly, I have a ton of cds, so I dont really have to go the laptop mp3 route.
The 500 should be plenty for the Haydns. I'm currently using a 150W@8Ohms/300W@4Ohms amp and my Haydns sound fantastic. The best thing about the STI is that it goes down to 2Ohms which is important for most of the Vienna Acoustics.

The Haydns are very revealing of source material and components so if you really mean mp3 encoded CD vs flac or something you'd be making a big mistake.

Personally, I find using a computer as part of a stereo is a pain . If you're going to buy a laptop you may be better off moving towards a music server. The Bluesound Vault seems like a bargain, especially compared to some of these.


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But just looking at the connections on the back of the sti 500, I'm not even sure how I would hook up my dvd player to it in order to use the DAC in the integrated amp. It would have to be hooked up digitally right? In order to use the DAC in the amp.
I don't think the Wyred4Sound has a digital input, you're right about that, so it has no DAC. But the DAC in your DVD player should be fine - connect the RCA out from the DVD/CD to the amp.

But I'd suggest a separate DAC since that's such key part of the experience and there are so many very good ones out there. There's a huge list of DACs here and many of them are not so expensive. I use a Bifrost and I'm pretty happy with the sound out of it.

And IMO USB shouldn't be in an audio chain. There's just too many ways to implement it poorly. On the other hand, there's a lot of USB stuff out there.

I find sorting through all the choices in audio fun and I hope you do as well. And the system you build should reflect your priorities.

If you don't mind my asking, what did you compare the Haydns to?
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Wow thanks for the response. I will definitely check out some seperate DAC's and see whats out there. I think A cd player connected to a DAC connected to the sti 500 might be the way to go for me!

In my speaker auditions I have listened to :
1. Bowers and Wilkins cm6
2. Sonus Faber Venere 2.0
3. Dali Ikon 2 Mk2
4. Monitor Audio GX50
5. Monitor Audio GX100
6. Martin Logan Motion 15

To my ears the Haydns blew me away. They had exactly what I was looking for. They were detailed without being too harsh. They imaged well and had a decent soundstage. And they look great. The other speakers I auditioned to me made their flaws apparent much quicker than the vienna acoustics. The haydns are not perfect , but they are in my price range and compared to the others they do almost everything right for me. I am pretty sure I could listen to them for hours without ear fatigue, given that I provide good components, amp, good music source, etc..

I was also interested in the Monitor audio and Bowers and wilkins speakers. They both were very realistic in sound quality, but too harsh on the high end. The bowers and wilkins had a huge soundstage and were very loud. I listened to them with the rotel ra 1570. At one point in my audition with them I had to tell the dealer to please lower the volume because it was actually annoying. Thats the first time I have ever had to do that. To me that was where the b&w cm6's failed. I understand that room acoustics play a role. But In my auditioning I was really just looking to find out what the character of each speaker was. What makes each one special or gives the music some magic.

The Dali's had a nice 3d or holographic sound stage and actually almost won me over. But after a while I just felt like the speakers sound was just not my cup of tea. They had the ribbon tweeter and did sound bigger than their cabinet would suggest, but they did not captivate me like the Haydns.

Sonus faber just seemed flat and too warm. Did not hear much detail or musical separation between sounds. I don't know, maybe it was the peachtree 220se that caused this too.

The monitor audio had amazing sparkling highs coming from their ribbon tweeter , but it was just slightly harsh, and to me the speakers seemed like they were holding back a little. I was disappointed in their midrange. To me the haydns had better detail in the midrange and lower range.

As of right now I am definitely leaning towards the haydns , but I want to give the Monitor audio gx 100's one more chance just to be sure. To me the haydns were very neutral and it seemed like what I was hearing was very lifelike, and natural. I actually did not know the store I went to even had them. I went to just hear the monitor audio speakers and just happened to see them and asked what they sounded like. As soon as I heard them I was pleasantly surprised. At first the volume was played low, and when he turned up the volume their was no distortion or harshness. The monitors were there as well on the same amp and when they were turned up I could hear them get slightly harsh and color the music.

I found it interesting how some speakers add their own sound to music. To me the haydns just made the music sound real.

Yep so far I am really enjoying this! It is fun doing the research and auditions.
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I found it interesting how some speakers add their own sound to music. To me the haydns just made the music sound real.

Yep so far I am really enjoying this! It is fun doing the research and auditions.
That's how I feel as well. The Sonus Faber were really good as well, I thought. but when I heard the Haydn's sounding better than the Sonus Faber that was multiples of its price I was sold.
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After just reading a review of the Haydn Grand in the latest copy of Absolute Sound I'm really wanting to listen to them. I am also wondering is they would pair up well with the Parasound P3/A23 combo, which I am also thinking of buying to power them. if not, what would you recommend to power them?<br><br>
I'm starting from a blank sheet so now is the time to buy the corrent components and speakers. In the same Absolute sound they ran a piece on what speakers each one of the editors would buy in the &lt;2K and &lt;2K price brackets. One of the editors chose the Haydn Grand in the &lt;2K bracket. So I'm thinking I should go listen to it at the very least.<br><br>
The other pre/amp combos I was looing at are the NAD and Rotel's.<br><br>
Any advice appricaited.<br><br>
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the a23 and p3 would be an excellent match for the haydens. I use the a21 and p5 for my mozarts, and will be upgrading my speakers to the baby beethovens.
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Check out Anthem for integrate, and I think Parasound makes an integrate as well.
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Hi,
What you think about electrocompaniet ec-4.5 & AW250R with VA Beethoven Baby Grand
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Long time VA owner here with two Mozarts, two Waltzs and a Theatro. Been listening to them since 2005 and still enjoy them very much!

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Long time VA owner here with two Mozarts, two Waltzs and a Theatro. Been listening to them since 2005 and still enjoy them very much!
Been changing things up constantly.

I put in a Belles HotRod for the 2 fronts, which are Haydn Commemoratives. Made for a much more pleasing sound than the Parasound multi-channel I had been using.

I put in 2 centers because I could localize one whether it was above or below the screen. I have a Maestro above and another below the screen. Clarity is great and sound seems to come from the entire front wall.

Then I replaced the sides, which were B&W M-1s, with Waltzes. The sense of envelopment in multi-channel is quite a bit more seamless now.

The soundstage I get with Return of the Jazz Communicators isn't quite three dimensional but it is tall and wide with a hint of depth.

Vienna Acoustics are certainly special.
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Is there any folks who had Vienna Acoustics with Electrocompaniet amplification?
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Is there any folks who had Vienna Acoustics with Electrocompaniet amplification?
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Yes. I've tried a ECI5MkII here at home, and it worked really well with my Mozarts.
Not the same control in the bass as with my Audionet SAM G2, but no problem at all. More power and control with the EC than with a Naim SuperNait.

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Here's my dilemma

I auditioned a pair of Mozart Grand SE and a pair of Goldenear Triton 7 at my local dealer.

I thought the Tritons had a great imaging. Cost $1150 a pair.

Then the dealer had me hear a pair of Mozart SEs. $1800 a pair. At first they didn't sound as good as the Tritons but I gave them a little more juice and they really came to life.

I'm looking a replacing my B&W 602 S3 and will use the new speakers for 70% music 30% movies. I'm tring to decide if the cost difference is worth it. Also not sure if my Emotiva XPA-200 is a good fit for the Mozart's.

The Mozart's did sound better but seem power hungry. I would love to hear your thoughts and comments.

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Here's my dilemma

I auditioned a pair of Mozart Grand SE and a pair of Goldenear Triton 7 at my local dealer.
I thought the Tritons had a great imaging. Cost $1150 a pair.
I had listened to some Goldenears before selecting my Haydns. I thought they were a little too fatiguing for me. I couldn't imagine listening to them for very log. Even the audition was too much for me.

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The Mozart's did sound better but seem power hungry. I would love to hear your thoughts and comments.
I don't know about power hungry but the VA do like power. I was originally powering mine with a Parasound A52 @125 W. I think that's equivalent to the XPA200? They sounded great but a little lean. So I think your XPA should be fine.

Then I used a Belles 150 HotRod. Man! Did that sound good. Those were 150W@ and, I think, stable down to 1-2 ohms. A kind of liquid sound, much richer than the Parasound.

Now I'm using a Krell @200W, KAV-300IL, and the speakers have opened up a little more. Back to leaner but I'm enjoying the additional detail the Krell brings. The Krell integrated seems more neutral than the other 2 amps were with a Cary Cinema 11 as preamp.
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Then the dealer had me hear a pair of Mozart SEs. $1800 a pair. At first they didn't sound as good as the Tritons but I gave them a little more juice and they really came to life.
One other thing with the VA. Positioning is everything! I think there's a guide in this thread somewhere.

When positioned properly the soundstage is incredible.

In a nutshell, toe them in and tilt them back a little and the soundscape snaps into focus.
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Well I'm happy to report that I have just purchased a pair of Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand SE in piano black from my local rep. During my speaker auditioning tour there was just something about the Mozart's laid back sound that won me over.

Now I wonder if there is some good info out there on proper setup for these guys. I see Patrick is no longer with Vienna.

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