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post #901 of 3055 Old 04-21-2009, 10:11 AM
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I told you guys this would be trouble...

LOL! It's all in good fun Dave. I was more just looking for your insight as to why you felt that way more than anything.

While I consider the objectiveness of this hobby, I am a huge proponent of the subjective aspect as well.

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Yup. How dare you question the gospel?

It's true that every room and setup is different. For example, on another forum, a guy has a pair of little R205's in his system and has some very nice output below 20Hz in his room/setup.

These forums are funny.....Generally, when discussing speakers themselves, everyone offers their opinions and expresses their impressions and feelings about any particular set. However, once the "discussion" turns to subwoofers, the tone is completely different and it turns to cast-in-stone clinical fact. If you don't own a subwoofer that looks like a Coke machine sitting in your home, crossed-over at 80Hz with 180dB of output @ 2Hz, you're wrong.

Actually, I am nothing like the armchair "professionals" you find in the subwoofer forum who do nothing but regurgitate something they've read and pass it off as their own. A good chunck of the posts in there read more like an infomercial than actual advice. Some posts go completely unanswered unless there is an opportunity for someone to post about how amazing their own sub is.
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All of them! The Denon handles them with no problem. I usually listen at levels between minus 35 to minus 20db. Music and blu-ray movies within the -35 and higher range, standard DVDs about in the middle of the range and then SD satellite, Direct TV, toward the -20db level.

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I too have a 3808ci, but use the Outlaws, and I listen anywhere between -5 to -20 , and coming from the DT's which I could never go past -13 on most tracks/movies, the VA's still require more power to play cleanly at those levels.
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Yup. How dare you question the gospel?

It's true that every room and setup is different. For example, on another forum, a guy has a pair of little R205's in his system and has some very nice output below 20Hz in his room/setup.

These forums are funny.....Generally, when discussing speakers themselves, everyone offers their opinions and expresses their impressions and feelings about any particular set. However, once the "discussion" turns to subwoofers, the tone is completely different and it turns to cast-in-stone clinical fact. If you don't own a subwoofer that looks like a Coke machine sitting in your home, crossed-over at 80Hz with 180dB of output @ 2Hz, you're wrong.

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LOL! It's all in good fun Dave. I was more just looking for your insight as to why you felt that way more than anything.

While I consider the objectiveness of this hobby, I am a huge proponent of the subjective aspect as well.



Actually, I am nothing like the armchair "professionals" you find in the subwoofer forum who do nothing but regurgitate something they've read and pass it off as their own. A good chunck of the posts in there read more like an infomercial than actual advice. Some posts go completely unanswered unless there is an opportunity for someone to post about how amazing their own sub is.

In the world of politics, they call them 'pundits'. In hot-rodding they call them 'bench-racers'. I just call them 'a**holes'.
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can i get some insight on the "star" setup or whatever its called?
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can i get some insight on the "star" setup or whatever its called?

It depends upon what you mean. STARS (Sumiko Theater & Advanced REL Setup) is both a system configuration and setup procedure, one following the other. Traditionally, a STARS system is 5.1, based in rough around the Dolby 5.1 protocol. In this case, though, RELs are used to achieve full-range performance at each speaker position. Using MASTER (can't remember now what the acronym stands for...) as a basis, all speakers are positioned to achieve the best possible in-room performance, with high-level REL connections dialed in below each pair or individual speaker (L/R, C, SL/SR, or up to one per channel, although 3 seems to be the extent before diminishing returns set in). Then LFE levels are set using one front & one rear woofer (in opposing corners). Optimally the rear is not allowed to produce full-band LFE, so that the rear woofer is not locatable (possible with REL B-series and higher). Once physical setup is achieved, then gains and delays are set by ear in the surround sound processor, to achieve the most cohesive balance, center channel integration, and front to back cohesion.

This may sound simple (it probably doesn't), but I would not recommend trying it yourself. Find someone who has gone through both MASTER & STARS. Many Sumiko dealers have been through and may be willing to help.

To head this off, no, we do not like using tape measures and SPL meters. Although this may work for a rough setup, a true STARS setup seems to be more balanced and natural overall. And, yes, it is better than the automatic setup program in your SSP.
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All,

Quick question: I saw a review that mentioned bi-amping Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand. Is it still valid? Is it possible to bi amp MG?

BTW, Before you throw flames at me, let me state that I understand what bi amping is and what I am trying to do...

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All,

Quick question: I saw a review that mentioned bi-amping Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand. Is it still valid? Is it possible to bi amp MG?

BTW, Before you throw flames at me, let me state that I understand what bi amping is and what I am trying to do...

Thnaks,

Neither Mozart or Mozart Grand are bi-amp/bi-wire capable. Nor would I recommend it even if the speaker had the capability.
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My new toy! An F112

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post them pics!!!! there is a lack of picture sharing in the Vienna thread!!

OK Bigred 7078. New camera or no new camera, poor quality pictures or not. I will post them pics!!!! once I wall mount the TV.

Thanks for your interest.

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I too have a 3808ci, but use the Outlaws, and I listen anywhere between -5 to -20 , and coming from the DT's which I could never go past -13 on most tracks/movies, the VA's still require more power to play cleanly at those levels.

WOW!!! Fanatalism down to -5dbs! Never had my Denon at that level. Closest I ever came was last Xmas I had a get together and a friend turned the power to about -15db (never ceases to amaze me how people will acknowledge that a system appears to be high quality, they never saw something like it and it must have been expensive--and then they think it is OK to start pushing buttons and turning dials at random not knowing what the heck they are doing!) Anyway, people had to start raising their voices to a near shouting level before I turned it down. So I can't imagine what -5dbs would sound like. WOW!!!
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My new toy! An F112


Oh so NICE!!! I hope that you like your f112 as much as I like mine. Considered multiple other subs and brougt some home for demo. None seemed to make much of an impact. I was starting to think that I had a major "dead zone" in my room and was considering hiring a professionnal to test my room before spending any $$$ on an actual purchase. Then I had an opportunity to buy a fathom at a great price so I went for it.

Still remember to this day. A good friend helped me pick it up. We brought it home, took it out of the box, plugged it in. And Vrroom. Right out of the box it elevated my whole system. My buddy was blown away. He started walking around outside the house listening.

Interesting thing was right out of the box, it sounded so good. Seemed to be saying, "Oh yeah, you have a major dead zone in your house. Sorry I forgot." Oh yeah, you didn't put me in a room corner, and I should be in a room corner for optimal performance. Sorry, I forgot."

I especially like how, when it needs to be subtle (music) it is subtle. When it needs to be not so subtle (movies) it is not so subtle.

If you watch Blu-rays, watch Flight of the Phoenix (the remake) great demo for DTS-HD Master Audio. Watch Casino Royale (the remake, Daniel Craig) for a good demo of Dolby True HD.

Enjoy your fathom.

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Oh so NICE!!! I hope that you like your f112 as much as I like mine. Considered multiple other subs and brougt some home for demo. None seemed to make much of an impact. I was starting to think that I had a major "dead zone" in my room and was considering hiring a professionnal to test my room before spending any $$$ on an actual purchase. Then I had an opportunity to buy a fathom at a great price so I went for it.

Still remember to this day. A good friend helped me pick it up. We brought it home, took it out of the box, plugged it in. And Vrroom. Right out of the box it elevated my whole system. My buddy was blown away. He started walking around outside the house listening.

Interesting thing was right out of the box, it sounded so good. Seemed to be saying, "Oh yeah, you have a major dead zone in your house. Sorry I forgot." Oh yeah, you didn't put me in a room corner, and I should be in a room corner for optimal performance. Sorry, I forgot."

I especially like how, when it needs to be subtle (music) it is subtle. When it needs to be not so subtle (movies) it is not so subtle.

If you watch Blu-rays, watch Flight of the Phoenix (the remake) great demo for DTS-HD Master Audio. Watch Casino Royale (the remake, Daniel Craig) for a good demo of Dolby True HD.

Enjoy your fathom.

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Our experiences were very similar.
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This is a great forum. I'm a big fan of Vienna Acoustics speaker line. Please help a Newbie out. Should I set my Mozart grands to small or large (Full range) in the speaker set up? I have an Onkyo Sr806 receiver and a monster amp 3250 (250 watts/channel). Also have DefTech Supercube II powered subwoofer. What mHz should I set the Theatro center channel?

Thanks in advance !!
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Large/ full-range. Heck, I run bookshelves at full range! You can run your Theatro at full-range, too, if you like.
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I currently have the following...

Fronts Large xover-60
Center Large xover-80
Small xover-80


Level matched using an SPL meter
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This is a great forum. I'm a big fan of Vienna Acoustics speaker line. Please help a Newbie out. Should I set my Mozart grands to small or large (Full range) in the speaker set up? I have an Onkyo Sr806 receiver and a monster amp 3250 (250 watts/channel). Also have DefTech Supercube II powered subwoofer. What mHz should I set the Theatro center channel?

Thanks in advance !!

Lvgeroni:

Short answer: Try both--large and small settings--and determine what sounds best to your ears. It's that simple. A popular starting point is an 80 hz xo.

Longer answer: The large and small debate is one of those items with no clear cut answer. David Carr, the Sumiko rep (Sumiko is the distributor for Vienna's) will tell you large, the folks I bought my first pair of Vienna's from (whose opinion I respect) say large, the folks that make my sub--JL Audio fathom f112--say small with a xo of 80hz. And to make things even more ambiguous, one of the top guys at the firm, on his blog, wrote a paper supporting small and a 120hz xo. You have a pretty potent sub and so I would not be surprised if the folks at Def Tech were of the same opinion as the JL Audio people.

This issue has also been discussed prior in this thread by myself, Dave Carr and others. Do a search it might be helpful for you.

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P.S. If it's not too late, return your Theatro and get the Maestro.
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OK Bigred 7078. New camera or no new camera, poor quality pictures or not. I will post them pics!!!! once I wall mount the TV.

Thanks for your interest.

Ese'

Bigred7078

OK Bigred, I purchased my wall mount for the TV and hope to put it up this weekend. Pictures to follow, new camera or not.

Ese'
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OK Bigred, I purchased my wall mount for the TV and hope to put it up this weekend. Pictures to follow, new camera or not.

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Thanks ESE !!

I tried all the different setup and I find that small with xo setting at 60-80hz to be the best sounding for the mozart grands. I wish I have the opportunity to hear a properly setup Mozart Grands to use as a "Reference" since I don't know how exactly they should sound like.

Note: I bought the Theatro because the Maestro does not fit in my cabinet. I have the BDI 8529 with the built in space for center channel speakers. I'm curious, are the Maestro that much better?

Thanks again,
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Thanks ESE !!

I tried all the different setup and I find that small with xo setting at 60-80hz to be the best sounding for the mozart grands. I wish I have the opportunity to hear a properly setup Mozart Grands to use as a "Reference" since I don't know how exactly they should sound like.

Note: I bought the Theatro because the Maestro does not fit in my cabinet. I have the BDI 8529 with the built in space for center channel speakers. I'm curious, are the Maestro that much better?

Thanks again,
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I'm curious, are the Maestro that much better?

That much better than what? It is subjective and relative. Best example is when I was demo'ing the Theatro and the Maestro I had a friend with me. We first listened to the Theatro and he liked it and liked the price even better. Commented "Hey, I'd go with this one". But immediately, in seconds, when he heard the Maestro he said "Oh, no, I would go with this one". I use my friend as an example because he is in that camp that thinks I am semi-crazy to spend the kind of $$$ one must spend for Viennas.

Also, the Maestro's are a better match for, and are made to complement the Mozarts. But, no worries, if you have space issues, you gotta do what you gotta do!

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I currently have the following...

Fronts Large xover-60
Center Large xover-80
Small xover-80


Level matched using an SPL meter

By definition, setting a speaker to LARGE disables the x-over to that channel.

AND YES YOU SHOULD SET YOUR SPEAKERS TO LARGE!!!!!!!!!!

Why would you buy speakers with 32Hz bass extension to cut them off at 80Hz?
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Dave,

My set up is as follows:

Vienna Acoustics Mahler for the fronts being driven by Mcintosh MC-501 mono amps

Vienna Acoustic Oratorio for the center being driven by a channel from a Mcintosh MC-7106

Vienna Acoustic Waltz for the surrounds being driven by a channel from a Mcintosh MC-7106

Mcintosh MX-119 Preamp/Processor (sub crossover set at 60hz)

REL B-1 sub

Dennon 3910 DVD/CD player
Mcintosh MS750 Music server
MUSEATEX Bidat DAC (upgrgaded)


I completely love the VA sound especially when driven by a quality amp and a good source. It is absolutely wonderful!

I am challenged getting my REL B-1 set up perfectly though. When I purchased it from Magnolia in Santa Clara they came out and helped, but it was never really "seamless" or perfect for me.

It is in the corner of my room which is approximately 22' x 16' and open on one side to the dining room and partially open on the other to the front entry way. sliding glass doors and windows are on one side wall.

I have the REL connected properly per the instructions, (Neutrik connected to high level unbalanced from the amps and RCA LFE connected from the processor LFE to the 0db low level input) and have it set on:

Mode 2

and the roll off set to:

Coarse B

Fine 3

and the volume levels are both set about 40% or so (I tried to blend it in as best as I could)

It sounds pretty good, but is there anything else that I can do to make it better? I know that the room variable is the huge element missing here and that is where the real artwork comes into play.


I am a little perplexed as when I am listening to two channel material with out a LFE signal and I adjust the lo level volume knob it changes the output of the B1 (either louder or quieter depending on how I adjust it)

This remains true for each mode (1 to 4) that I might try it on.

I suspect that I have something set up wrong, but perhaps something is faulty (beside me!)

I would very much appreciate your thoughts. I am in the San Jose CA Area.

Thanks!

Michael
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I'm sure Dave will be here shortly to help, but the first things that jump out at me are:

1) Your crossover in the proc. is too high. Can you disable it or lower it?

2) Your crossover settings on the B1 look much too high with the Mahlers. Provided the Mahlers are set up properly with your room, I would imagine that the crossover setting on the B1 will need to be down around A, 1/2/3 (at the most). My B1 uses a setting of a B,3 with a pair of Schonbergs in a very large room.
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Kwkshft,

That is exactly the kind of info that I was looking for. I just changed it to A 2 and will listen to it in the morning (kids asleep now!)

Thank you!
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I'm sure Dave will be here shortly to help, but the first things that jump out at me are:

1) Your crossover in the proc. is too high. Can you disable it or lower it?

2) Your crossover settings on the B1 look much too high with the Mahlers. Provided the Mahlers are set up properly with your room, I would imagine that the crossover setting on the B1 will need to be down around A, 1/2/3 (at the most). My B1 uses a setting of a B,3 with a pair of Schonbergs in a very large room.

Ditto.

Also, it sound like your processor is setup incorrectly. You need to set your bass mode to LFE only. I can't remember what it is called in Mac speak, but check your manual. The lo-level gain control should only work if LFE is present.
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Dave,

Thank you for the tips. I have been reading the manual and posted the question on a Mcintosh board that I frequent.

I think that I need to set the sub cross over lower from B 3 to more like A 3
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...Why would you buy speakers with 32Hz bass extension to cut them off at 80Hz?

I can think of some reasons Dave:

1. Maybe he likes it that way, i.e. those settings sound best to his ears.
2. Maybe he had the Mozarts before the JL Audio fathom f112 (I believe he did).
3. Maybe because the f112 has a 12" woofer, a 3-inch excursion, a 1,500-watt amp and goes down to 20Hz.
3. Maybe he read Carl Kennedy's blog re: xo settings (Carl is just as adamant as you are regarding large vs. small, but at the other end of the extreme).

If you remember a prior post I purchased Mozart Grands for surrounds. And I asked myself the same question. However, in my case, I already owned the fathom f112.

And I asked other people the same question re: why would I need to buy the Mozarts if I have the fathom? What do I need a tower speaker for (in the case of the surrounds and even with my Mozarts as mains). And no one could really give a reason in favor. There were multiple parties willing to give a reason opposed.

And in my case, the fathom was not going to be replaced--too good. So I went with my gut and blind faith that buying the Mozarts, even with the f112 in my system, was the right thing to do.

And I tried running the Viennas at both small and large. Did not notice a major difference between the two and currently run mine large. But I tell you Dave if I had noticed a major difference I would set the speakers at small and use whatever xo sounded best to my ears. (In some cases it even seemed like the higher xo was more noticeable).

Hope this helps Dave.
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