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post #271 of 3195 Old 06-19-2007, 07:09 PM
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anyone compared a harman kardon and denon receiver of similar price range on the ascend speakers? any sq differences?
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Hey everyone,

My sierras are on order and will hopefully be shipped in a week or so. My question is in regards to placement of them close to a wall. My current 340SE's are about a foot or so out from the wall, whats the minimum the new sierras can be placed from the wall? I ask because someday they may be placed in a shelf and not freestanding like my current setup.

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Curtis can probably answer this better than I, but I'll give it a shot.
The "minimum the sierras can be placed from the wall" depends on how important the sound quality is to you.
NO speaker should be right against a wall but esspecially speakers with rear firing ports need room to breath.
If I had to guess, I would say that you would want them to be at least 8" from the wall but closer to 2' would be better. Just get them as far away as you can in your listening environment.
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Thanks for the reply. Now if i were to place them close to a wall, being rear ported, will just the bass be negatively affected and nothing else right? Just pondering options for the future.

Can't wait to hear them......anyone want any 340Se's

Thanks again,
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The closer to the wall the more the bass will be reinforced. You may or may not like the results. The bass should be more accurate a bit away from the wall.

But the midrange will probably also be affected. I speaker too close to any wall can(and probably will) muddy up your midrange. That would actually be the bigger problem out of the 2 in my opinion(for me anyway).
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I typed "speaker placement" in google and this along with some other stuff came up:

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/how...placement.html
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Very informative, thanks tanaka.

I better keep the new sierra's away from those pesky walls.

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anyone compared a harman kardon and denon receiver of similar price range on the ascend speakers? any sq differences?

I compared HK and Panny. I liked HK by a wide margin. Have not compared Denon but read some posts from a forum member where he preferred HK 247 to his Denon 2803.

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I compared HK and Panny. I liked HK by a wide margin. Have not compared Denon but read some posts from a forum member where he preferred HK 247 to his Denon 2803.

Does HK yet have a receiver out that has HDMI 1.3, and that can handle the new audio codices of BluRay and HD DVD?
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Does HK yet have a receiver out that has HDMI 1.3, and that can handle the new audio codices of BluRay and HD DVD?

Nope. It's 1.2.
I thought 1.3 had nothing to do with audio format. It's suppose to support Deep Colors. I don't know whether it will pass thru the Video signals from 1.3 source to 1.3 display.

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Rcvd confirmation of the shipment of my Sierra L/C/R with pair of 170SE for rears,
The sub remains a tba for now.
can't stand the wait.......
sigh...
thinking of that first the playlist::
Audio song:
Clapton - Stepping Out - ]ohn Mayall's Bluesbreakers with Eric Clapton:: track 11
Audio Albums:
Stones-Beggars Banquet (SACD)
Bruebeck-Time Out (SACD)
James Hunter (CD)
Coltrane-Blue Trane (SACD)
Stones-Let It Bleed (SACD)

Video:
Concert for George
Crossroads Festival

Movies:
Riddick
Sixth Elemnent

That should take up the first few hours, er better make that days

system
speakers as listed above
Denon 987
Oppo 981
Pioneer 1140-HD

Anyone know how long does UPS ground take to go CA to NYC?
sigh
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Expect about 3 days...but they're worth the wait! Nice selection to throw at them.

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Thanks. expected that.
and thanks for the comment re the play list...

a note that I forgot to add two other videos to the list
John Mayall's 70th Birthday Concert
and
Cream Reunion at Royal Albert Hall
I need to hear this set many many times
as this was also the set they played when I sat the last show
at the MSGarden in 2005
(also saw the GoodBye concert at the old Garden in 1968).

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Wow these look nice (just received mine). If you can tell the difference between B and A stock, you either have way too much high power lighting or way too much time to look for imperfections. They look fabulous, When I complete my set, I'll definately be ordering more B-stock. (Black, BTW.)
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Wow these look nice (just received mine). If you can tell the difference between B and A stock, you either have way too much high power lighting or way too much time to look for imperfections. They look fabulous, When I complete my set, I'll definately be ordering more B-stock. (Black, BTW.)

How do they sound?

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Anybody interested in splitting the cost for materials for matching bamboo stands? I found a supplier in Richmond, VA and I'll be about 2 hrs away from there at the end of July. I'm looking at solid 3/4" edge grain (1/4" strips) panels that seemingly perfectly match the Sierras. I haven't come up with a final design yet, but it will probably be a bit smaller than the footprint of the Sierras with a slightly larger top plate to match the footprint and a larger base plate with threaded inserts for carpet spikes or other standard footings. I'll put in internal cross bracing and make them fillable with removable tops. The finish will be a semi-gloss acrylic, probably 5-6 coats depending on how thirsty the bamboo is...I've not had the pleasure of working with it yet. At any rate, shipping is a beast (at 100+pounds per panel), so I'll trek down there and pick it up and figured if others were interested, either in the raw materials or possibly stands I'd offer. The panels go for $215 for a 3/4" x 4' x 8' panel for the solid edge grain panel and $205 for the 3-ply 3/4" x 4' x 8' which has a 1/8" veneer. For the difference in cost, I'm looking at the solid, but the ply will probably be more stable over the long term. However, with the cross-bracing and multiple coats of acrylic and figuring that most stands will probably be 32" or less in height, I don't think that stability will be much of an issue.

PM me or email to vikingdwarf@gmail.com if interested. There's not a volume discount, but shipping is a pig, so if you'd like some let me know.

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How do they sound?


I wish I knew, Emotiva screwed up my order and sent me the wrong unit, so I have to wait for the new unit to arrive.
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I compared HK and Panny. I liked HK by a wide margin. Have not compared Denon but read some posts from a forum member where he preferred HK 247 to his Denon 2803.

Cool, what about a cambridge 540a and a similarly priced harman kardon? anyone compared?
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i have a yamaha htr-5960 at the moment and the sound is incredible, would it be even better with a harman kardon avr-247 or cambridge 540a?
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Hey, another socal member! Welcome to the club! Do you have a sub?

oh nevermind, I see you have the F113, haha, awesome! I have the F112.
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I got a chance to compare a yamaha 5960 to a harman kardon avr146, it seemed as if the vocals of the yamaha were a bit stronger.

anyone compared maybe a cambridge 340/540 to a normal 500 dollar receiver?
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I think that, particularly with today's AVRs, it's really difficult to do an accurate side-by-side comparison. There are so many variables and settings that, unless you really take the time to set them both up as close as possible, comparisons don't make a whole lot of sense. You can compare specs and numbers and connection options and set-up features etc, but unless you've really taken the time to try to set them up identically it's not a good comparison.

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I am on a mission right now to find a more "cost efficient (my wife's words, not mine) home theater setup. I am going to have to ditch what I have now (all but the mains which will be kept for 2-channel music listening) in favor of something cheaper and more pleasing to my wife (they always ruin everything...haha, just kidding). So now I am looking to spend around $2500 or so for the entire shebang, including receiver. I am all for separates, of which I will use for the two-channel system, but I think I am going to have to use a regular receiver this time around, per the wife's budget restraint. So for now, I will pick up the Pioneer 1016TXV but am still demoing speakers. There is a long list of bookshelf speakers that I want to audition. And so, the journey now begins!

So far I will be attempting to get my hands on:
NHT classic 3's, the new Ascend Sierra's, Paradigm studio 20's, Onix xl-s (been a long time since I heard them), etc, etc.

Now I know this is the owner's thread and that someone already got yelled at for asking for comparisons, but what better place to do that? So, could the owners (or those who have listened to them) compare them to some of the above candidates and/or other candidates in a similar price range (800/pair)?

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Nuance, I have heard all of them (not the latest version of the Studio 20 though), and of course, own the Sierras.

Rather than posting anything that can cause bad blood or can be construed as hype, I strongly suggest you get a pair and have a good listen for yourself.

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Now I know this is the owner's thread and that someone already got yelled at for asking for comparisons, but what better place to do that?

I'd say a comparo thread where the blood can flow unencumbered (until lockdown).

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Nuance, read the Sierra threads on Ascends forum . . .
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I'd say a comparo thread where the blood can flow unencumbered (until lockdown).

Give me a break...! What are you, the comparison Nazi? "No comparison for you!" You don't even own the Sierras, so give it a rest...please.

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Give me a break...! What are you, the comparison Nazi? "No comparison for you!" You don't even own the Sierras, so give it a rest...please.

J.

Jason...I think Tony was just being funny. He was at my house a few weeks ago for a visit and listen.

The threads here at AVS are crazy, and some people have issues with some brands because it is not their own. I just got reported to David Bott for "marketing" because I suggested Sierras in another thread....it is just nuts.

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Curtis-

I understand that issue completely and agree that it is nuts. People get fanatical about what they have and feel the need to fight tooth-and-nail to promote it. However, the poster asked a simple question about a comparison between pretty comparable speakers and in his usual fashion, Tony jumps in and tries to squash what would probably be a good conversation to have. For whatever reason, he started this thread...whether he plans to ever purchase Sierras of his own or just remains a "visiting listener" is his prerogative. I don't care either way. However, he doesn't own this thread and I find his repeated attempts to "kill the conversation" ridiculous and unwarranted and just plain irritating.

Comments like...
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Could we take the comparos to another thread?

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Inappropriate thread. This is an Ascend Sierra thread, not a comparison thread.

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If the poster wants a comparison, he can start a comparison thread that can get closed.

...just get old.

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I believe Tony's intent is to keep this thread from being shutdown as that is what seems to happen to comparison threads.
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I believe Tony's intent is to keep this thread from being shutdown as that is what seems to happen to comparison threads.

Thank you.

Jason, sorry to irritate you, but the quickest way to get this thread shut down is to turn it into a comparison thread. Please read David's sticky at the top of this forum. This thread was maybe the third attempt at a Sierra thread: the others were either shut down or deleted. While I don't own Sierras, I do like to read peoples comments about them and would hate to see it all come to an end in a this vs that pissing match.

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