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Everybody here wants you to have the best sound possible.

If you can not treat the room, then the best answer is to change what is fed to the speakers to your liking. Changing cables and electronics will make minimal differences at best, and will not give you any adjustability. Your best bet is to get a preamp that offers you some sort of tone control or equalization. There really isn't any more to discuss in this regard.

I wouldn't even worry about this until you receive your Sierra-2's. You may find you don't want to alter the sound.

ok then I wont respond to the thread till they get here then.
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What Curtis said x10!!! I read you don't have that option but still, it can be more simple, my opinion. I feel like I've ran a marathon after the reading, my opinion.

Sorry.

I will just stick to the other boards I normally post on then. Didn't mean for it to feel like a marathon or anything.
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ok then I wont respond to the thread till they get here then.
Like I mentioned before, there really isn't much more to discuss other than getting a preamp with tone controls.
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I recommend to take a REW measurement of the room to see exactly what the problem is.
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A preamp with tone control may or may not help. Depending the tone frequency, it may not even matter. One thing i thought about the raal, is that the 70-10 comes with foam pads to limit the vertical dispersion of the tweeter. That can also limit the amout of high frequencies the tweeter will put. I know the sierra 2 has a custom raal and not the 70-10 but Maybe that could be apply to the sierra2 for the general idea.

Lets see when you get the sierra 2, maybe they are just perfect for you!
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I'm trying to find some total harmonic distortion measurements for the Sierra 2 or Sierra Horizon speakers.

If someone has either of the Sierra 2 or Sierra Horizon speakers and REW, would appreciate posting some graphs.

Having read through this massive thread, there's little discussion on Sierra Horizon speakers. Dave on the Ascend forums is excited about the Horizon being great speakers for those who have space constraints for the front sound stage, and this seems to fit my particular need. The front port design allows the Sierra Horizon to be mounted on the wall or very close to the wall. The question then is the dispersion of the sound waves to the listening area, i.e. affecting the sweet spot?

Reading through the Ascend forums, recall that someone bought a customized 'skinny' version of the Sierra Horizon. Again how does the custom Sierra Horizon affect the dispersion and impacts to the sweet spot?

Will be moving to a new place in about 9 months and considering either the Sierra 2 or Horizon speakers as well as the KEF LS50 for the front sound stage. Right now, the LS50 are on the top of the list.

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Can REW measure THD of a speaker? I didn't know that it could.

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^beaveav,

Yes, REW can.

Was able to measure the THD of the KEF E301, though it was at the Main Listening Position and not close mic to the speaker. There is a tab called 'distortion'where you can see individual (the default is set up to the 10th harmonic) as well as THD.

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I'm trying to find some total harmonic distortion measurements for the Sierra 2 or Sierra Horizon speakers.

If someone has either of the Sierra 2 or Sierra Horizon speakers and REW, would appreciate posting some graphs.

Having read through this massive thread, there's little discussion on Sierra Horizon speakers. Dave on the Ascend forums is excited about the Horizon being great speakers for those who have space constraints for the front sound stage, and this seems to fit my particular need. The front port design allows the Sierra Horizon to be mounted on the wall or very close to the wall. The question then is the dispersion of the sound waves to the listening area, i.e. affecting the sweet spot?

Reading through the Ascend forums, recall that someone bought a customized 'skinny' version of the Sierra Horizon. Again how does the custom Sierra Horizon affect the dispersion and impacts to the sweet spot?

Will be moving to a new place in about 9 months and considering either the Sierra 2 or Horizon speakers as well as the KEF LS50 for the front sound stage. Right now, the LS50 are on the top of the list.

I have been planning on using REW along with XT32 and I own a Horizon center along with Sierra 2s. Assuming I have time to spend learning the ropes with REW over the next month or so I will do my best to provide some info for you. I would also suggest you reach out to Dave on the Ascend forum for a quicker response to some of your questions - he responds quicker when you post there. I have only had my stock Horizon with the RAAL upgrade for a few weeks and can honestly say that I am planning to save and buy two more. It is an incredible speaker and I mentioned to Dave they need to market them as a high-end bookshelf option. Especially when you consider what Legacy and others charge for a similar bookshelf. It is a speaker that is hard to appreciate until you see it up close.

As for sweet spots I imagine you have reviewed the charts provided by Dave on their site. Both the 2s and Horizon with RAAL enjoy "large" sweet spot. Honestly as I move up and down or side to side with either speaker I do not notice a significant change in sound - but that trait for both has been discussed on their forum and this one. I know the KEF is an amazing speaker and I did consider going that route myself since I have to place my speakers in a custom built bookshelf unit on the wall of my "av room." My speakers are literally an inch from back. The 1s required port plugs, the 2s do not. I would suggest you take advantage of their 30 day trial and give them a spin - the 2s are something else and I find myself listening to 2 channel music a lot more in Pure Direct with them - they are that good despite their size. As I think more about the 2s it may be hard for me to move them to the sides. Whichever way I go I feel fortunate to have discovered Ascend - Dave is one of a few owners that will respond to you directly - Dennis Murphy and Jim Salk being two others. Talk about a great trio of speaker makers.

I have a picture posted a few pages back of my LCR - take a look at it and you will see what I mean about challenging placement. Let me know if I can help with anything else.

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^beaveav,

Yes, REW can.

Was able to measure the THD of the KEF E301, though it was at the Main Listening Position and not close mic to the speaker. There is a tab called 'distortion'where you can see individual (the default is set up to the 10th harmonic) as well as THD.

See attached for the left speaker.

Thanks for that - I didn't realize REW had that capability. I learned something new, which means I just forgot two things!! eek.gif

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Thanks for that - I didn't realize REW had that capability. I learned something new, which means I just forgot two things!! eek.gif

Omnimic has some capability as well. http://www.daytonaudio.com/OmniMicV4/index_OmniMic.html

Probably would help to have some sort of standards associated with sharing/comparing such measurements.
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Has anyone received an update on the back order of the Sierra 2? Seems like I would have heard something after almost five weeks.

I guess the wait is longer than 4 to 6 weeks currently.
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Has anyone received an update on the back order of the Sierra 2? Seems like I would have heard something after almost five weeks.

I guess the wait is longer than 4 to 6 weeks currently.

Sorry for any delays -- we are swamped today and it is taking a while to get caught up. We are air-shipping in a limited supply of Sierra-2 components and they will arrive this week. This means Sierra-2 will resume production and shipping for all those who ordered prior to this past week. For newer orders, the bulk shipment will be here in 2-3 weeks. smile.gif
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Sorry for any delays -- we are swamped today and it is taking a while to get caught up. We are air-shipping in a limited supply of Sierra-2 components and they will arrive this week. This means Sierra-2 will resume production and shipping for all those who ordered prior to this past week. For newer orders, the bulk shipment will be here in 2-3 weeks. smile.gif

Great. Thanks for the update!

I am just anxious.

I knew the wait was 4 to 6 weeks.
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No apology necessary. Yes I have already ordered them as I said. Ordered the satin dark cherry.

Just curious Giegar... what Ascend speakers do you own..cause I don't see any in your sig...confused.gif

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Hey Giegar:

As a rule...I generally don't partake in any other owner threads or discussions that pertain to any of those "said" products. I also don't attempt to stalk any of the individuals within that thread. Personally...I've auditioned the Psb T45/55s....B15/25 and the Imagine B extensively but I don't feel my presence is needed there(Psb thread) nor elsewhere for that matter. Unless the thread or OP is opened ended and looking for any information....I steer clear of threads as such and can only relate & share what I know first hand.

You somehow felt that a public apology was forthcoming....but I had already reconsidered what I said in my original post and apologized shortly thereafter in a personal PM.


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My Ascend Sierra 2's will be here Thursday. I cant wait.

Side note, I built a new cabinet to store my records and equipment in and sold my Maggie mmg's.

I then grabbed my trusty JBL MR-26 bookshelves from my garage to temporarily use.

Turns out the maggies were causing the high frequencies that bothered me so much. I could kick myself for not trying the JBL's sooner.

The sound of my JBL's I bought at Montgomery wards in 1997 is night and day better than the maggies. I guess my room was all wrong for the Maggies. They need much more space.

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Look forward to hearing your impressions - I just ordered a second sub to go with my Ascend speakers which arrives tomorrow hopefully so I understand the can't wait. You have chosen wisely.

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@smurraybhm I noticed you have both the Sierra-2's and the Horizon Raal and you are considering ordering (2) more of the Horizons. My question; If you were to do it again, would you buy (2) Horizon Raals and save for a third, or buy the Sierra-2's with the Horizon? I'm ready to purchase from Ascend but keep going back and forth on what to do. I'm considering buying (2) Tower Raal and forgoing the center OR buying (3) Sierra-2's for L/C/R. Your opinion would be much appreciated.

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 I noticed you have both the Sierra-2's and the Horizon Raal and you are considering ordering (2) more of the Horizons. My question; If you were to do it again, would you buy (2) Horizon Raals and save for a third, or buy the Sierra-2's with the Horizon? I'm ready to purchase from Ascend but keep going back and forth on what to do. I'm considering buying (2) Tower Raal and forgoing the center OR buying (3) Sierra-2's for L/C/R. Your opinion would be much appreciated.
I'm not smurraybhm, but if your question is what to buy between two Towers/RAAL vs three Sierra-2's, my first question would be "what will be the primary use of the speakers?".

If this is for home theater use, I would always "plan" on having a center (and a sub for that matter).

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It will be split between regular cable/music/HT pretty evenly. It's my understanding the center is "required" for TV dialogue vs a phantom therefore my concern. I simply can't afford the towers and Horizon at the same time (more like my wife would kill me). As to the sub, I plan on a SVS PB13-U, while I know it's more expensive than that Rythmik FV15HP, the WAF on the SVS is much higher than the Rythmik; that and I plan on buying a clearance sub from SVS which will lower the cost that much more.

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It will be split between regular cable/music/HT pretty evenly. It's my understanding the center is "required" for TV dialogue vs a phantom therefore my concern. I simply can't afford the towers and Horizon at the same time (more like my wife would kill me). As to the sub, I plan on a SVS PB13-U, while I know it's more expensive than that Rythmik FV15HP, the WAF on the SVS is much higher than the Rythmik; that and I plan on buying a clearance sub from SVS which will lower the cost that much more.
A center is not "required" at all. If you or anyone else does most of your viewing from he main listening position, a phantom center can work just fine.

As you start moving away from that position, without a center speaker, you start losing the sound image being centered with the video image.

If the circumstances allow you to get the Horizon later (without getting in trouble), then that's what I would do.

If not, then it is a subjective call which I would base on where the viewing will be done...if it is just the two of you sitting next together on the couch, the phantom center should work fine.

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^ Curtis is wiser than me - the guy started the Ascend forum - so keep that in mind as you read my response.

If you are buying the quality sub you mention above honestly I think the Sierra 2s and the SVS PB13 Ultra would be an incredible combination. The Horizon is special too, but I just bought a second SVS sub (PC12 Plus) which I hooked up last night. Even though I didn't listen for long or fine tune it, at this point the new SVS sub appears to be a game/strategy changer for me (and the WAF is a big factor for me, I won't mention the comment she made when I unpacked the cylinder). As of today the only upgrades I plan on making may be a amp to add a few more channels, another Sierra 1 so i can have 2 for use as surrounds (don't ask why I have an extra speaker laying around) and possibly a new receiver if 3D audio or Atmos end up being that special.

Keep in mind I was using a SVS PB10 sub that was 6 years old until last night. Don't discount the Sierra 2s for music purposes - I enjoy their sound immensely when only using them for 2 channel audio and they have allowed me to hear details on my SACD/DVD-A collection that I couldn't hear with the 1s. RAAL, new SEAS woofer and crossover are game changers for the Sierra 2s. Finally, if for some reason the bookshelves don't work for you and your wife, you have 30 days to return them and go with the Horizons or Towers. I am also old school - I want a center channel smile.gif

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Thank you both for your replies! Now even more to think about!

 

Although I am quite curious about the extra speaker (I couldn't help it!:p).

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Thank you both for your replies! Now even more to think about!

Although I am quite curious about the extra speaker (I couldn't help it!tongue.gif ).

You had to ask:
Originally I had 3 Sierra 1s across the front. As soon as the upgrades where announced I got on the list to get 3 of them to convert to the 2s. First speaker I begin to upgrade a few days after XMAS has one of the screw heads on the woofer partially crack and of course it was the last screw. So I could either try to drill it out myself (actually bought a new drill bit from HD to do that) or send the speaker back to Ascend for them to fix. After sleeping on it for the night I took that as a sign from above to do what I had wanted to do since the Horizon came out and buy one for my center, besides after you deduct the cost of the upgrade kit it was only $1100 more smile.gif

So I used the 1 as my center until the Horizon came in (after a 3 month wait). Either way I would have been happy - the 2s are awesome and their build quality best-in-class (my humble opinion). I don't think people realize how good well made bookshelf speakers can sound with a quality subwoofer. Plus the Sierra 2s and other similar sized bookshelf speakers from Salk, Philaharmoic, KEF (LS50s), PSB and others hold their own for good old fashion stereo. I am not saying I wouldn't like to own the Ascend Towers someday, its just that my 2s aren't making that anything I feel the need to do now or anytime soon.
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Since Curtis is around I wanted to put a plug in for his awesome speaker from his new company and joint venture with Dave - Wave Crest Audio. This review, by Jim Wilson who publishes a lot of subwoofer reviews on AVS, speaks volumes for what Curtis has accomplished with his first speaker. Next time I need surrounds or a small bookshelf somewhere else I know what I'm buying.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/speaker-subwoofer-reviews/72159-wave-crest-audio-hvl-1-speaker-review.html

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Haha funny how the upgrade bug starts kicking in! Good story.

 

I have read the review and looked at the speaker and it does seem like incredible value for the price point; much like the Sierra-2 I would imagine. I might expand to a 5.1 just because of the killer pricing!

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Placed an order at the end of last week for a set of Dark Cherry towers with RAAL, a dark cherry Horizon with RAAL, and a set of Sierra 2's in dark cherry (USA cabinets to match) for surrounds (I know this may be over kill, but I do like multi-channel music). I am very excited to get them. The parts for the S2's are on backorder until the end of the month, and the cabinets (I think) for the towers are on backorder until the middle of July. Its going to be a long couple of weeks. They are going to ships the Horizon and S2's as soon as they are ready, then the Towers later.

I am coming from Paradigm Studio 100's V1, a CC-470 V3 and Studio 20's V1. I like the Studios, particularly the 20's. Not too thrilled with the 100's. Mainly I think my room is too small for them. I cannot get the sound stage right and I have tried moving them many times and messing with various degrees of toe in. My room is about 12 x 18 x 7.5 and is partially open in the back to the kitchen and dining room. I am powering everything with a Denon AVR-4311 and an Emotiva XPA-5. I am actually running a 7.3 right now. The rears are Def Tech's and the subs consist of 2 Rythmik F15's and an Emotiva Ultra 12 nearfield. The system is used about 50% music, 25% TV watching and 25% movies.


I decided on the Ascends after trolling around here for a long time. My biggest issue with my Paradigms is that to me they are harsh on the top end and very fatiguing with music at anything but low volume. I am extra sensitive to top end. I wear hearing aids. Most of my hearing loss is in the top end, and therefore the aids amplify upper frequencies. My hope is that the new set up will give me a better, more consistent and realistic sound stage and that I can enjoy listening to music for more than 15 minutes at decent volumes. Once I get everything set up and dialed in , my next purchase is some room treatments. I should not need much there, REW says my in room frequency response is pretty good. I have a lot of furniture and stuff packed into that room. Bass is still an issue though as my sub placement is less than ideal with very little flexibility.


Impatiently waiting....
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Main System: Denon AVR-4311ci; Emo XPA-5, Panasonic TC-P65ST50, Oppo BDP93, PS2&3, Wii, Sonos Connect, Mede8er, Roku 3
Ascend RAAL Towers, RAAL Horizon Center, Sierra 2's (surround), Def Tec SM350's (rear surrounds), 2 Rythmik F15's
2 other systems: 1 Onkyo, 1 Denon, Paradigm Studio V1 and V2 speakers, Panasonic Plasmas, etc.
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AM looking for speaker s for my new theater room construction.
Room is 16w x 20L x 10H
looking for either a 5.x or 7.x set up

Will the Sierra Bookshelves be enough to fill this theater (Really for movies) with enough impact sound? It will be paired with subW(s)
Also, When I looked at the pic of the sierra 1 and the sierra 1 center it looked like it was merely the bookshelf lying on its side. Is that correct?
IS the Sierra 2 going to have a center or will it also just be the speaker on its side?

Right now am also considering SVS ultra system and perhaps Triads

Thanks
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AM looking for speaker s for my new theater room construction.
Room is 16w x 20L x 10H
looking for either a 5.x or 7.x set up

Will the Sierra Bookshelves be enough to fill this theater (Really for movies) with enough impact sound? It will be paired with subW(s)
Also, When I looked at the pic of the sierra 1 and the sierra 1 center it looked like it was merely the bookshelf lying on its side. Is that correct?
IS the Sierra 2 going to have a center or will it also just be the speaker on its side?

Right now am also considering SVS ultra system and perhaps Triads

Thanks

From everything I have read, it appears that those using the S2's as FL & FR are either using another S2 either vertically or horizontally with the RAAL turned vertically, or they are using the Horizon center.

Main System: Denon AVR-4311ci; Emo XPA-5, Panasonic TC-P65ST50, Oppo BDP93, PS2&3, Wii, Sonos Connect, Mede8er, Roku 3
Ascend RAAL Towers, RAAL Horizon Center, Sierra 2's (surround), Def Tec SM350's (rear surrounds), 2 Rythmik F15's
2 other systems: 1 Onkyo, 1 Denon, Paradigm Studio V1 and V2 speakers, Panasonic Plasmas, etc.
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Will the Sierra Bookshelves be enough to fill this theater (Really for movies) with enough impact sound?
I think they will. I have a room that's similar in size. It's about 21'x15'x8'. I've got a 5.1 with Sierra-1s for L/C/R and HTM-200 SEs for surrounds along with a sealed 15" sub (Epik Valor). 6 years later and I couldn't be more happier with them.

The Sierra-1 center is the same as a regular Sierra-1 but with the tweeter rotated 90 degrees.

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