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post #3181 of 3354 Old 06-29-2014, 05:35 PM
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AM looking for speaker s for my new theater room construction.
Room is 16w x 20L x 10H
looking for either a 5.x or 7.x set up

Will the Sierra Bookshelves be enough to fill this theater (Really for movies) with enough impact sound? It will be paired with subW(s)
Also, When I looked at the pic of the sierra 1 and the sierra 1 center it looked like it was merely the bookshelf lying on its side. Is that correct?
IS the Sierra 2 going to have a center or will it also just be the speaker on its side?

Right now am also considering SVS ultra system and perhaps Triads

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AM looking for speaker s for my new theater room construction.
Room is 16w x 20L x 10H
looking for either a 5.x or 7.x set up

Will the Sierra Bookshelves be enough to fill this theater (Really for movies) with enough impact sound? It will be paired with subW(s)
Also, When I looked at the pic of the sierra 1 and the sierra 1 center it looked like it was merely the bookshelf lying on its side. Is that correct?
IS the Sierra 2 going to have a center or will it also just be the speaker on its side?

Right now am also considering SVS ultra system and perhaps Triads

Thanks

From everything I have read, it appears that those using the S2's as FL & FR are either using another S2 either vertically or horizontally with the RAAL turned vertically, or they are using the Horizon center.

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Will the Sierra Bookshelves be enough to fill this theater (Really for movies) with enough impact sound?
I think they will. I have a room that's similar in size. It's about 21'x15'x8'. I've got a 5.1 with Sierra-1s for L/C/R and HTM-200 SEs for surrounds along with a sealed 15" sub (Epik Valor). 6 years later and I couldn't be more happier with them.

The Sierra-1 center is the same as a regular Sierra-1 but with the tweeter rotated 90 degrees.

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I have a question about positioning of the front three speakers. For the 5.1 suggested speaker placement, it says that the left and right speakers should be equidistant from the center channel. For the left and right speakers, it says to follow the placement guidelines for a stereo pair, which states that if the L/R speakers are on either side of an entertainment center that the front of the speakers should be closer to the listening position that the front of the entertainment center. So, given that my center channel speaker is on my entertainment center, should the left and right speakers be placed further forward than the center channel? I would think that all three front channels should be lined up as close as possible.

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I have a question about positioning of the front three speakers. For the 5.1 suggested speaker placement, it says that the left and right speakers should be equidistant from the center channel. For the left and right speakers, it says to follow the placement guidelines for a stereo pair, which states that if the L/R speakers are on either side of an entertainment center that the front of the speakers should be closer to the listening position that the front of the entertainment center. So, given that my center channel speaker is on my entertainment center, should the left and right speakers be placed further forward than the center channel? I would think that all three front channels should be lined up as close as possible.
I keep my front three all aligned across the front; on the one setup where the center is sitting on a shelf I just have the center at the edge of the shelf to avoid reflections from the shelf which is what they're saying with the placement in relation to av furniture I think.
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I have been informed by the manufacturer of my new sub I got today (PSA XV15) that for this sub he preferred the source point speakers like the KEF r300 or von schweikert unifield one.  Any opinions?


Can the R300 even be considered a point source speaker?
It is a three way speaker with a bass driver below the Uni-Q driver array. What would make this arrangement a point source? I would think that this is the same thing as having a bass driver sitting under a tweeter.
I can see the KEF LS50 being a point source speaker. It has one coaxial woofer/tweeter.
I auditioned the LS50 and the Sierra 2. Not at the same time. I kept the Sierras.
I would love to hear more of how these two compared and what made you eventually go with the Sierras.
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Alta Audio FRM-2. Are these using RAAL as well? Looks very similar... $16500 difference.
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Alta Audio FRM-2. Are these using RAAL as well? Looks very similar... $16500 difference.

Yep -- That is definitely a RAAL 70-20. Hmm, $16,500? I need to seriously re-evaluate our prices....

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Alta Audio FRM-2. Are these using RAAL as well? Looks very similar... $16500 difference.
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Yep -- That is definitely a RAAL 70-20. Hmm, $16,500? I need to seriously re-evaluate our prices....
Great, now see what you've done veda....suuure, to a guy who says he made $45million last year, this doesn't matter....
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Yep -- That is definitely a RAAL 70-20. Hmm, $16,500? I need to seriously re-evaluate our prices....
We rather you didn't..
Mod's can we get these folks banned for selling amazing speakers at amazing prices..

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Great, now see what you've done veda....suuure, to a guy who says he made $45million last year, this doesn't matter....
I get off by getting the best deals not by buying the most expensive but probably not the best stuff out there. I'm evil, I like laughing at ignorant rich buyers

Actually I've heard of a guy whom after hearing the Sierra RAAL Towers said it's better in everything but bass compared to his behemoth $86k speakers from a very famous brand. Coincidentally some pro reviewer said that 86K speaker is one of the best ever made. You can't beat a flat freq speaker that has very low distortion and plays fast. That's just the definition of the perfect speaker which the Sierra proves doesn't have to cost a kidney.

People can't even criticize the Towers for being all out performance save cost on everything else kind of speakers. The bamboo cabinets + piano finish are better looking and probably better measured sonically than most cabinets out there at any price. I'm putting a long post on different famous speakers (on and off AVS brands) and how they sonically compare. Will be finished once my buddy gets his Salk.
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Yep -- That is definitely a RAAL 70-20. Hmm, $16,500? I need to seriously re-evaluate our prices....
$16.5k difference so it's priced $18k
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Although I cannot attest to the towers or bookshelves, I bought 3 of there Ascend Sierra Horizons with the RAAL ribbons and positioned them as you see in the pictures. As you can see, they are contained within a custom bookshelf as part of this new construction house. These were isolated using the materials you see in the picture of the rear of one of the speakers. Simply put, I am extremely pleased with the entire set up thus far in 3.1 form. Completion of the 7.1 system is underway, but I am slowed by wanting to stop and listen when I should be working.
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Too bad you can't get a little separation between your front speakers.
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Yeah, 56 inches between the L and R tweeters. Not enough, but compromises prevailed.
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Hello,

I'm upgrading from my M&K S150Ps (x5) and SS-150THX

I'm looking at the following:

2 x Sierra Towers with Ribbon upgrade
1 x Sierra Horizon with Ribbon upgrade
2 x Sierra 2s wall mounted for sides (close to ear level)

I'm trying to figure out what to do with rears in a 7.x configuration

I will be keeping 2 pairs of S90s for Front and Rear height Dolby Atmos application

Marantz 7702
1 x Sherbourn PA7-350 - powering up the 7 channels
1 x Emotiva XP7 - powering up the 4 channel Atmos speakers
2 x Seaton Submersives HP

Question for tower owners with Ribbon upgrade. I know these guys are great with music, but my application is mostly HT

Can you describe the dynamics response and mid-bass of the Towers and horizon center? I'm really looking for a good punch in the mid-bass.

Prior to these, I considered the JTR228s for my LCRs and DIY Volt 8s for side, rears and atmos front and rear height speakers


thanks,
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Hello,

I'm upgrading from my M&K S150Ps (x5) and SS-150THX

I'm looking at the following:

2 x Sierra Towers with Ribbon upgrade
1 x Sierra Horizon with Ribbon upgrade
2 x Sierra 2s wall mounted for sides (close to ear level)

I'm trying to figure out what to do with rears in a 7.x configuration

I will be keeping 2 pairs of S90s for Front and Rear height Dolby Atmos application

Marantz 7702
1 x Sherbourn PA7-350 - powering up the 7 channels
1 x Emotiva XP7 - powering up the 4 channel Atmos speakers
2 x Seaton Submersives HP

Question for tower owners with Ribbon upgrade. I know these guys are great with music, but my application is mostly HT

Can you describe the dynamics response and mid-bass of the Towers and horizon center? I'm really looking for a good punch in the mid-bass.

Prior to these, I considered the JTR228s for my LCRs and DIY Volt 8s for side, rears and atmos front and rear height speakers


thanks,
Jon
First of all, congrats on that setup! You're very well equipped!!

Edit: I jumped the gun, I thought you had already bought them..

Now after you've done the proper setup, prepare for a treat. The clarity of voices and effects with those ribbon tweeters is second to none. With regards to that mid bass kick you want, this speakers are linear/flat. So they will play whatever comes in, but not accentuate anything in its frequency response by the crossover. They are very fast and dynamic. Transient response is some of the best out there. Sudden explosions or effects will jump at you very realistically.

I'd still recommend you cross over to the subs at 80hz including the tower and venter. But man you'll experience something special!!

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I'm looking for some advice with the Sierra-1's. I noticed that Ascend makes a dedicated center channel Sierra-1, but it's basically a Sierra-1 on its side with the tweeter turned 90 degrees. They also have a horizontal dedicated center channel. I was wondering it anyone's just having 3 of the speakers across the front stage arranged vertically. It seems it would be a great solution. Also, do they do alright with AVR amp sections, or is a separate amp a good idea?
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Not sure what you mean by they also have a horizontal dedicated center channel....which model are you referring to? Horizon? The Sierra-1 as you mention is simply the tweeter/waveguide rotated (and easy to do yourself). If you can, yes, run all three vertically, that would be ideal, I would but with the current stand and tv setup better for me to go horizontal at the moment. I've used mine with and without additional amp with my avr. Don't really need the additional amp but already had amps sitting around when I first setup and have mostly used them that way, but the additional amp is pretty much overkill. At least one of them is about to lose a power amp, though, so I can play with an 11.3 setup when a new avr comes tomorrow .
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Thanks, that's pretty much what I was trying to get at, the Horizon and the Sierra-1 Center. Why get a dedicated center style speaker if you can get 3 identical vertical speakers across the front. This is supposed to be the best set up from what I've read. I'd be willing to get a different cabinet and speaker stands to accommodate this, but I'm still mulling things over, maybe Ascend will have a sale later on in the spring.
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Thanks, that's pretty much what I was trying to get at, the Horizon and the Sierra-1 Center. Why get a dedicated center style speaker if you can get 3 identical vertical speakers across the front. This is supposed to be the best set up from what I've read. I'd be willing to get a different cabinet and speaker stands to accommodate this, but I'm still mulling things over, maybe Ascend will have a sale later on in the spring.
Then there's three Horizons with Raals across the front....
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I own the Sierra2's and a Horizon RAAL center . Since the demands on the center speaker are so much greater than the front pair, it makes sense to me to get a more capable center. I don't notice any lack of coherence in the front, and I like that the fronts all have the RAAL tweeter.


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I just placed an order for the Sierra-1's. After reading up on this thread and various other places online, I believe they'll provide a significant improvement over my Paradigm monitor 7v3 . I phoned Ascend at noon today, but they were busy. With the current sale they must be hopping!

Anyway, does anyone have any comparisons with the Paradigm Monitors?
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I just placed an order for the Sierra-1's. After reading up on this thread and various other places online, I believe they'll provide a significant improvement over my Paradigm monitor 7v3 . I phoned Ascend at noon today, but they were busy. With the current sale they must be hopping!

Anyway, does anyone have any comparisons with the Paradigm Monitors?
I upgraded from Paradigm monitor 5s v2 to Sierra-1s. I found that the Sierra's had a more detailed, realistic sound. The Paradigms sounded more boxy and 'busy'.
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Thanks, I remember the Monitor 5, same drivers as the 7 in a bookshelf. I'll look for the improvements you mentioned when I can audition the Sierra's.
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Just ordered three B-Stock Sierra 2 in Satin Cherry for my new house to use as front LCR. I already have a pair of Sierra 1-Nrt but decided against upgrading them to Sierra 2. For $300 more, I would essentially get a new pair of Sierra 2 (although there may be blemishes in the finishes) and get to keep the Nrts to use in another room (I still love them).
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Just ordered three B-Stock Sierra 2 in Satin Cherry for my new house to use as front LCR. I already have a pair of Sierra 1-Nrt but decided against upgrading them to Sierra 2. For $300 more, I would essentially get a new pair of Sierra 2 (although there may be blemishes in the finishes) and get to keep the Nrts to use in another room (I still love them).
How about using the Sierra-1's as surrounds? That's what I'm doing.
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How about using the Sierra-1's as surrounds? That's what I'm doing.
I have pre-wired the room for 5.1.4 Atmos. One of the surround location is kind of in the hallway. So, I need thin on-wall speakers for surrounds. Thinking about using HTD flat-panel speakers.
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Well, don't bother calling or emailing them if you want some kind of response. I've called them(during their business hours) 7 times, and left 2 voicemail messages. I've emailed them twice as well, and haven't heard so much as a peep from them. I'm assuming that a) they are really busy right now, b) they've got a small staff that they've decided not to hire temps to help during sales/busy times.

I do think that they took my order somehow since I got an automated purchase order.
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Well, don't bother calling or emailing them if you want some kind of response. I've called them(during their business hours) 7 times, and left 2 voicemail messages. I've emailed them twice as well, and haven't heard so much as a peep from them. I'm assuming that a) they are really busy right now, b) they've got a small staff that they've decided not to hire temps to help during sales/busy times.

I do think that they took my order somehow since I got an automated purchase order.
I know they're busy...and if you called today, it is MLK day, and they might have taken it off.

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