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post #3391 of 3406 Old 06-16-2015, 07:03 AM
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I appreciate the feedback. I don't have any experience with the Signature line, except to know that it's Paradigm's top line, so to hear that the Sierras are similar in quality is impressive. I suppose that would mean they blow the Studio (and now the Prestige, which I've heard has some tradeoffs with the Studio) out of the water.

I just wish the Horizon wasn't so dang tall. I have about 10" of clearance between the TV and top shelf of my stand. That means the Horizon will block about an inch of the bezel. Luckily, that doesn't quite cut into the screen, but will probably look weird.
Here's a post on some custom "low-profile" horizons Ascend made:

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/sho...5009#post45009

Sorry just noticed that the center is still 11" tall so it must just be the vertically oriented versions that are narrower at 8.5"

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Here's a post on some custom "low-profile" horizons Ascend made:

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/sho...5009#post45009

Sorry just noticed that the center is still 11" tall so it must just be the vertically oriented versions that are narrower at 8.5"
Yeah, I'm not a member of the forum (I should probably register) so I can't see the pics, but it sounds like a Horizon tipped upright, probably as a replacement for the bookshelves.

I think when it comes down to it, I'm going to prioritize speakers, and adjust the environment to work with them, which with these means I'll probably sell the stand, get an A/V cabinet, and mount the TV to the wall.
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I would call Dina...I ran into same problem and ended up lowering shelf that it sits on down an inch... But I think while I was researching problem that Dave can make one a little shorter... Call, It will be worth the time . I love this system ( and that is NOT where the subs ended up being . It was for pictures only...)
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Ordered satin dark cherry towers and horizon, all with RAAL tweeters. Can't wait to hear them!
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Ordered satin dark cherry towers and horizon, all with RAAL tweeters. Can't wait to hear them!
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Due to space constraints (and the wife), I have to place my Sierra 1's horizontally. What is the proper alignment for the right and left speakers this way?
Should the tweeters both be out the outside (Tweeter - Woofer) (I have a turntable between them) (Woofer - Tweeter) or should the Tweeters both in the middle with the woofers on the outside?
I'm having to make due with the space until our addition is complete and I can rearrange everything better. I know it isn't optimal, but wanted some thoughts.
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I would try the tweeters on the outside. Make sure you rotate the tweeter 90 degrees so the waveguide is horizontal.
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I would try the tweeters on the outside. Make sure you rotate the tweeter 90 degrees so the waveguide is horizontal.
and too add...it is easy to try with the tweeters inside or outside...so do what you like best.

But most importantly, like nate points out, rotate the tweeter.

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Thanks for the quick replies ! I've rotated the tweeters, just curious if there was a certain way they should be placed.
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Hi Guys,

Sorry if either of these questions have been answered already. I'm really interested in the Sierra 2's for my front 3 speakers in a 5.2 setup. Ideally, I would like wall mounted speakers for the surrounds. The room is about 12 x 15 x 9, opened up to the rest of the house.

1) What models would you recommend for the surrounds? Do I have to go RAAL? Not sure that 5 sierra 2's would be in the budget.
2) I would be moving from my Klipsch which have sensitivity of 97dB to these which have a sensitivity of 87dB. I sit about 10 ft away from the front speakers. I never turn my receiver any higher than 10 below reference. Ho will my Denon x4000 handle the lower sensitivity speakers?

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Hi Guys,

Sorry if either of these questions have been answered already. I'm really interested in the Sierra 2's for my front 3 speakers in a 5.2 setup. Ideally, I would like wall mounted speakers for the surrounds. The room is about 12 x 15 x 9, opened up to the rest of the house.

1) What models would you recommend for the surrounds? Do I have to go RAAL? Not sure that 5 sierra 2's would be in the budget.
2) I would be moving from my Klipsch which have sensitivity of 97dB to these which have a sensitivity of 87dB. I sit about 10 ft away from the front speakers. I never turn my receiver any higher than 10 below reference. Ho will my Denon x4000 handle the lower sensitivity speakers?

Thanks
You sit 10 feet from the speakers. Your old Klipsch, with a sens. of 97 db were run at 10 below reference? Friend, you like it very, very loud. You will simply not be able to achieve the same volume levels with the Sierra's. I'd make two suggestions. One, you've already given yourself hearing damage, which will continue and eventually become evident. Two, if you want the same volume levels with that Denon, you will need to get other speakers with the exact same sens. rating as the Klipsch. Unless you get separate amps with 400 watts per channel or more, I don't think Ascend can help you.
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Hi Guys,

Sorry if either of these questions have been answered already. I'm really interested in the Sierra 2's for my front 3 speakers in a 5.2 setup. Ideally, I would like wall mounted speakers for the surrounds. The room is about 12 x 15 x 9, opened up to the rest of the house.

1) What models would you recommend for the surrounds? Do I have to go RAAL? Not sure that 5 sierra 2's would be in the budget.
2) I would be moving from my Klipsch which have sensitivity of 97dB to these which have a sensitivity of 87dB. I sit about 10 ft away from the front speakers. I never turn my receiver any higher than 10 below reference. Ho will my Denon x4000 handle the lower sensitivity speakers?

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You sit 10 feet from the speakers. Your old Klipsch, with a sens. of 97 db were run at 10 below reference? Friend, you like it very, very loud. You will simply not be able to achieve the same volume levels with the Sierra's. I'd make two suggestions. One, you've already given yourself hearing damage, which will continue and eventually become evident. Two, if you want the same volume levels with that Denon, you will need to get other speakers with the exact same sens. rating as the Klipsch. Unless you get separate amps with 400 watts per channel or more, I don't think Ascend can help you.


Audio4life, I believe what Benj is saying is that he listened to his Klipsch at 10dB below reference level (which would be an average listening level of 75dB). 10dB below reference is just that, 10dB below reference - a fixed dB measurement of which the sensitivity of the speaker is not a determining factor with regard to the listening level.


Benj, at 10 feet back, and with a sensitivity of 87dB, with your X4000 receiver you will be able to achieve an average listening level of ~98dB from one Sierra-2, or ~ 103dB from all (3) speakers. With the X4000, and Audyssey calibration, it calibrates the speakers such that reference volume level on your receiver is 85dB. When you recalibrate with the Sierra-2's - reference level on your volume control will once again be at an 85dB level, such that -10dB (your listening level), will be at the same 75dB you were listening to before. Absolutely no issues at all -- while the Sierra-2 will demand more power from your receiver to reach this same volume level, at 75dB, you will be using less than 1 watt of power. 85dB would only require 6 watts You have plenty of power and we have loads of customers using Sierra-2 with the X4000 in much larger rooms. (I have an X2000 that I use with a pair of Sierra-2)


Please feel free to contact me directly if I can be of any additional assistance.

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I am assuming when a person says they have the volume set at 10 db below reference, that the volume is set at 10 db below 0 on the volume dial. Either way, in a 12 x 15' room, that's pretty loud.

I base my warning on hearing damage based on the thresh hold of hearing damage, 85db. Perhaps I'm erring on the side of caution in my old age, but there you are.

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David,
Thanks for the info. Do you think I need to stick with RAAL for my surrounds, or could I use a lower priced pair from the Ascend product line?

audio4life,
Just to clarify, I said I never go any louder than -10dB according to my receiver (after running Audyssey). That is not my normal listening volume. It's the max I ever turn it up, and that's typically for short periods or when not sitting directly in front of my stereo. In short, I want my speakers to be able to reach this level.

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Okay Ben, I see I misunderstood your intent with the volume settings, sorry for the confusion.
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Thanks for the info. Do you think I need to stick with RAAL for my surrounds, or could I use a lower priced pair from the Ascend product line?

audio4life,
Just to clarify, I said I never go any louder than -10dB according to my receiver (after running Audyssey). That is not my normal listening volume. It's the max I ever turn it up, and that's typically for short periods or when not sitting directly in front of my stereo. In short, I want my speakers to be able to reach this level.

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I'm not Dave, but do own a few of his speakers (see below). If you are using Audyssey on your Denon - no. If you can afford to buy S2s to use all around, go for it. The key is to have the L/C/R match - after that if you are using speakers from the same family you should be good. You can see I violate that last rule for a few of mine, but Audyssey does a nice job of blending things together. Great speakers, great company and great staff - you'll enjoy anything you buy from Dave for a long time.

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