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Just looked through your posting history and saw you got an F12? And your room size is 11x15 with 7'? The F12 should have enough output for a 1150 cubic foot room (assuming you have doors closed) to pump out some bass. Probably configuration/location problem.

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A few suggestions to try tonight:

1) Did you rerun your receiver roomEQ? It will have to readjust for the new sub.

2) Bump the subwoofer level up +4 or +5 db on the receiver from where the roomEQ set it. Many of us do that.

3) Try a different location. Subs response can be greatly affected by room placement.

BTW: Which Rythmik sub did you get?
Rythmik F12, I did rerun the audyssey. I had it set at +3db. I got a call from Rythmik tonight and they walked me thru how to set up my reciever. I was doing a couple things wrong. When I get off work tomorrow morning I will reset everything and run the EQ again the correct way and see what happens.

I did put it in a few different spots. Found one that worked the best but wasn't what I was expecting.
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Rythmik F12, I did rerun the audyssey. I had it set at +3db. I got a call from Rythmik tonight and they walked me thru how to set up my reciever. I was doing a couple things wrong. When I get off work tomorrow morning I will reset everything and run the EQ again the correct way and see what happens.

I did put it in a few different spots. Found one that worked the best but wasn't what I was expecting.
What kind of subfloor is under your theater room? Suspension plywood or concrete?

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What kind of subfloor is under your theater room? Suspension plywood or concrete?
concrete floor. I apparently have it set up wrong. I got a call from Rythmik and they outlined the correct settings.
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So far I'm not impressed. Thinking I should have went with ported sub.

Have a guy coming over tomorrow to rew my sub and try and see what's going on. It sounds good but I don't feel it. I flip on my half busted $125 ported sub and i can feel and hear a difference.

I have 45 days to love it or ill send it back and get a ported 15
Impressed with your setup skills am not since you don't even mention how you did it. Just what did you do to incorporate the new sub? Subs are largely about your room and integration with your mains, not just plugnplay performance.
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Impressed with your reading skills I am not. I did mention I have moved it to different spots and messed with the bass extention and didn't get anywhere.

I didn't put the majority of it on this forum since this is not the rythmik forum nor is it even the subwoofer sub forum.

But thank you for your concern.
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Impressed with your reading skills I am not. I did mention I have moved it to different spots and messed with the bass extention and didn't get anywhere.

I didn't put the majority of it on this forum since this is not the rythmik forum nor is it even the subwoofer sub forum.

But thank you for your concern.
LOL but I'll go search for the threads where you posted some actual details....

ps There is nothing to go on in the Rythmik thread except you seem to have no idea....

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I have never once claimed to be an expert. Actually many times I have stated I am.very new at this.

I didn't just plug and play, I ran room correction. Changed the bass extention to what was stated in the instructions and didn't like it so moved the sub.

Ran room correction, tested with different bass extention than moved on. Rinse and repeat until I discovered something g ws wrong.

That is why I turned to rythmik sight for some guidance. I got it, actually got a call and an explanation on how to set it up thru my room correction and different things to try.

So please tell me where I didn't put in enough detail. Do you need to know the exact distance from sub or speakers to me or other speakers. How far the speakers are off the ground and away from each other? Do you need to know my receiver or the cables I use? What do you need to know that I haven't put in any other forum that I already have an answer for.

There's a reason I didn't put it in this thread, it doesn't belong here. I nearly mentioned I got my SIERRA center speaker and sub, hooked it up and wasn't impressed with the sub.
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I have never once claimed to be an expert. Actually many times I have stated I am.very new at this.

I didn't just plug and play, I ran room correction. Changed the bass extention to what was stated in the instructions and didn't like it so moved the sub.

Ran room correction, tested with different bass extention than moved on. Rinse and repeat until I discovered something g ws wrong.

That is why I turned to rythmik sight for some guidance. I got it, actually got a call and an explanation on how to set it up thru my room correction and different things to try.

So please tell me where I didn't put in enough detail. Do you need to know the exact distance from sub or speakers to me or other speakers. How far the speakers are off the ground and away from each other? Do you need to know my receiver or the cables I use? What do you need to know that I haven't put in any other forum that I already have an answer for.

There's a reason I didn't put it in this thread, it doesn't belong here. I nearly mentioned I got my SIERRA center speaker and sub, hooked it up and wasn't impressed with the sub.
Not familiar with the extension control on a Rythmik, will check that out. Sorry to agitate you, but details count if you're going to just drop something like the sub doesn't impress you and you're going to get some other size/design as a solution. What receiver do you use? Cables are your own thing, hopefully you didn't overspend on "audiophile" ones. If you can point me to a link for a thread where you've explained all this, great, that probably would be more appropriate. Just curious mostly, as many people's experiences with subs are setup related IMO (or perhaps expectation related).
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Not familiar with the extension control on a Rythmik, will check that out. Sorry to agitate you, but details count if you're going to just drop something like the sub doesn't impress you and you're going to get some other size/design as a solution. What receiver do you use? Cables are your own thing, hopefully you didn't overspend on "audiophile" ones. If you can point me to a link for a thread where you've explained all this, great, that probably would be more appropriate. Just curious mostly, as many people's experiences with subs are setup related IMO (or perhaps expectation related).
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That will explain the gear.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/download...quickguide.pdf

the set up guide for rythmik subs can be found here.

Official Rythmik Audio Subwoofer thread

starting at page 814 is when I write about the issue I had and was being given advice from a member of rythmik themself.
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Looking forward to your impressions, though I would guess the Ascend house sound would sound very different from the Kliphsch's.


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I've had them for a little less than a day, but since my office is closed this week and my fiance is out of town, I've got a lot of hours in for impressions of the Sierra 2s vs my Klipsch Rf7iis/matching centers and surrounds.

I'm really enjoying this pair of sierra's right now. Running them in 2.1 with an HSU sub. Ran them for 2 hours straight out of the box with the old dirac calculations for my Klipsch because I wanted to just jump in. Even with the wrong room settings, i was impressed with the sound. Once I ran Dirac, I'm REALLY impressed. I ran it with a custom room correction curve flat through the 1000hz range with a 4db gradual drop through the upper frequencies.

Comparisons:
Klipsch advantages- The 7ii's are more dynamic, particularly in the sub 80hz range. Bass drums thump and bass pops in movies. There is no way any bookshelf can compete with that, since the speaker is 8 to 10 times larger than the sierra.
-The reference speakers also have more headroom, so when something blows up in a movie, there is a huge impact vs the sierra. Again, not a surprise since they are hyper efficient. Sierras take about 6 db off the vol knob.

Sierra advantages:
-Everything else. I'm blown away, even though I'm a 5.1 guy running in 2.1.
-RAAL vs horn- comparing the 7ii's vs the sierra, the 7iis have a layered sound. The horn sound sits on top of the rest of the speaker. I can easily pick out where the horn stops and the rest of the speaker starts. Same with the RC64ii center. There are frequencies in both klipsh speakers that that are too low for the horns and too high for the cones to reproduce effectively. With the Sierras, I can't tell exactly where the RAAL stops and the cone starts. Everthing sounds beautifully integrated.
-treble- Both speakers have great clarity in high frequencies, but the sierras are non- fatiguing. The highs are equally clear and present, but they sit on top of the rest of the sound instead of screaming at you in the klipsch.
-mids- Advantage sierra again, since the RAAL and cone are so well integrated. Everything has depth and detail. Voices sound incredibly natural. Mids also have a nice little punch vs the klipsch.
-bass- not a contest, but it shouldn't be. The Sierra's go impressively low for their size, but they aren't made to shake the house. I'm considering an F8 from Rhythmic to help restore some of that pop, but the Sierras exceeded my expectations here.
-cabinet- I'm not talking about looks, but resonance. Along with RAAL, this might be my favorite part. The 7ii's had a bit of a ring in the midbass, less so in the center and surrounds. Sierras have NO ring- the speakers push all of the sound to you and don't leave any audio footprint of their own. Which is why there are so great for imaging and soundstage...speaking of that.
-imaging and sound stage- beautiful. Set about 6 feet apart, i feel like i am hearing sounds about 15 feet apart with a bit of depth. I don't plan to stay in 2.1 for long, but I'm not exactly suffering right now.

Congratulations to Dave and the Ascend staff. I went into this managing expectations and i've been incredibly impressed. I'll be keeping the sierras for sure. I haven't taken the 340s out of the box and may just send back. they are too big for surround duty for me. Which brings up some questions:

I need a center, surrounds and am considering an f8 for midbass to pair with my HSU VF2 MK4 to cover the extreme low end. Is there consensus on a sierra2 center vs horizon? Also, does any have a recommendation on what ascend speaker works best as a surround?
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Riddlers House Build

That will explain the gear.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/download...quickguide.pdf

the set up guide for rythmik subs can be found here.

Official Rythmik Audio Subwoofer thread

starting at page 814 is when I write about the issue I had and was being given advice from a member of rythmik themself.
Thanks, had already looked at your posts in the Rythmik thread, will pm you as it is off topic for this thread....
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I've had them for a little less than a day, but since my office is closed this week and my fiance is out of town, I've got a lot of hours in for impressions of the Sierra 2s vs my Klipsch Rf7iis/matching centers and surrounds.

I'm really enjoying this pair of sierra's right now. Running them in 2.1 with an HSU sub. Ran them for 2 hours straight out of the box with the old dirac calculations for my Klipsch because I wanted to just jump in. Even with the wrong room settings, i was impressed with the sound. Once I ran Dirac, I'm REALLY impressed. I ran it with a custom room correction curve flat through the 1000hz range with a 4db gradual drop through the upper frequencies.

Comparisons:
Klipsch advantages- The 7ii's are more dynamic, particularly in the sub 80hz range. Bass drums thump and bass pops in movies. There is no way any bookshelf can compete with that, since the speaker is 8 to 10 times larger than the sierra.
-The reference speakers also have more headroom, so when something blows up in a movie, there is a huge impact vs the sierra. Again, not a surprise since they are hyper efficient. Sierras take about 6 db off the vol knob.

Sierra advantages:
-Everything else. I'm blown away, even though I'm a 5.1 guy running in 2.1.
-RAAL vs horn- comparing the 7ii's vs the sierra, the 7iis have a layered sound. The horn sound sits on top of the rest of the speaker. I can easily pick out where the horn stops and the rest of the speaker starts. Same with the RC64ii center. There are frequencies in both klipsh speakers that that are too low for the horns and too high for the cones to reproduce effectively. With the Sierras, I can't tell exactly where the RAAL stops and the cone starts. Everthing sounds beautifully integrated.
-treble- Both speakers have great clarity in high frequencies, but the sierras are non- fatiguing. The highs are equally clear and present, but they sit on top of the rest of the sound instead of screaming at you in the klipsch.
-mids- Advantage sierra again, since the RAAL and cone are so well integrated. Everything has depth and detail. Voices sound incredibly natural. Mids also have a nice little punch vs the klipsch.
-bass- not a contest, but it shouldn't be. The Sierra's go impressively low for their size, but they aren't made to shake the house. I'm considering an F8 from Rhythmic to help restore some of that pop, but the Sierras exceeded my expectations here.
-cabinet- I'm not talking about looks, but resonance. Along with RAAL, this might be my favorite part. The 7ii's had a bit of a ring in the midbass, less so in the center and surrounds. Sierras have NO ring- the speakers push all of the sound to you and don't leave any audio footprint of their own. Which is why there are so great for imaging and soundstage...speaking of that.
-imaging and sound stage- beautiful. Set about 6 feet apart, i feel like i am hearing sounds about 15 feet apart with a bit of depth. I don't plan to stay in 2.1 for long, but I'm not exactly suffering right now.

Congratulations to Dave and the Ascend staff. I went into this managing expectations and i've been incredibly impressed. I'll be keeping the sierras for sure. I haven't taken the 340s out of the box and may just send back. they are too big for surround duty for me. Which brings up some questions:

I need a center, surrounds and am considering an f8 for midbass to pair with my HSU VF2 MK4 to cover the extreme low end. Is there consensus on a sierra2 center vs horizon? Also, does any have a recommendation on what ascend speaker works best as a surround?


Excellent review! The Horizon will go lower and extend out further into your room, but it's also a good deal more expensive. The 2's would be a great match with your fronts, and if you don't have a huge room, should serve very well for less money. I'd definitely go for the RAAL tweeter either way.


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Is there consensus on a sierra2 center vs horizon? Also, does any have a recommendation on what ascend speaker works best as a surround?
While I don't own an Ascend speaker (yet), having thoroughly reviewed the forum the consensus is that if cost is no object the horizon is hands down better than the sierra2. No contest. However, as a value proposition, some have argued for the sierra2. If you can swing it, I would get the horizon.
Once the Ascend staff comes back from vacation, I'm planning to order a Horizon my self along with a Klipsch Palladium center to compare to my Klipsch RC-64II. Once I have some time with them, I'll report back with my findings. With the Palladium being on sale, the price is fairly comparable to the Horizon.
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Doggone it! Haven't been able to stop thinking about the Horizon now since that earlier conversation came up.
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Finally got my Sierra 1s set up as rears. Finally time to watch some real movies.

Thanks to a fellow member running rew and setting up audyssey correctly the sub sounds amazing.
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