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post #181 of 3902 Old 09-23-2007, 02:12 AM
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This started with a question from a member, I though he might want to know my thoughts since I have seen the speakers, and I don't sound like a sales man here. You OBVIOUSlY has a problem with my opinion simply because I had something negative to say about your almighty Swan speakers. That's a compliment to your camera skills, how about a thank you? I don't have to state my opinions as opinions. That's ridiculous if every opinion must be stated as opinions. In fact, it is a FACT that they don't look nearly as good as the pictures above, period. I saw it with my own eyes and I don't own Swans. Did you see the speakers in person before purchasing?

I wasn't talking about veneer seams. Not sure where you are taking that. However, the dimple effect on the rosewood is noticeable upon close inspection. BTW, I sure hope you didn't pay $1000 for a pair of 5.2s.

You're funny! You really like to argue, don't you. Well, unfortunately, I don't. Waste of time. I truly, madly, deeply could not care less whether you like the look, or in fact the sound, or the veneer or anything else, about Swans, or any other speakers! Interesting to read what you think, just like anyone else, but trust me, I'm not losing any sleep over it.

You are perfectly welcome to say whatever you think about anything, Swans or otherwise. The only issue I had was the way you keep insisting it's a fact that the new tweeter mount doesn't look as good IRL as it does in my pictures. Buddy, you need to review the difference between fact and opinion. You think they don't look as good IRL, I think they do (and apparently several other members do as well). So what? Who cares? These are our opinions, and we're both entitled to them. Geez. Get a beer or something dude!

No, I didn't see the speakers in person before purchasing. I don't get the question. Does that matter somehow?

I wasn't talking about veneer seams either. I was simply saying sure you can see the difference between the plastic and the veneer. I don't personally happen to care that I can see that.

What's a dimple effect? (I have no experience in furniture finishing.) You mean how there's a slight ripple kind of look to it if you look very closely? OK, no problem. I don't require world class finishes. If you do, these probably aren't for you. Call me a bohemian, I think the finish is cool, even if it's obviously not Dali Helicon or even Onix Ref quality.

I really don't get your sincere wish that I didn't pay $1000 for my 5.2s. Umm... Why? Other than the current sale pricing, that's their regular price, and they're a steal at that price! Don't agree? Cool!! Buy something else!

As it happens, I'll answer your question and tell you that no, I didn't pay full price. I received a discount because Jon Lane invited me to participate in his "beta test reviewer" program. I purchase his products at a discounted rate (which at his request will remain undisclosed) and in return I commit to write an online review. I do NOT commit to write a POSITIVE review. Let's be very clear on that. I commit to write an HONEST review, good or bad. I cannot be paid to lie, unless you're offering me a check with a lot of zeros before the dot. In fact, in my review of the 5.2Fs, I bitched and moaned about the decision to put the binding posts on the bottom. I also complained about how small they are (12 gauge wire barely fits), how difficult if not impossible it was to use anything on them other than bare wire, and the fact that they're not bi-amp capable.

I further complained that the bass seemed a bit muddy and undefined to me compared to my buddy's B&W DM604 S3s. Break-in, better room placement, and better amplification thoroughly solved this problem.

And, I pointed out that they require better amplification than my Onkyo 100 watt/channel receiver could give them. They were fine at low volumes, but lost transparency and started sounding a bit strained at anything close to higher volumes. After extensive TAI forum posts and email discussions with Jon, and having tried a couple different cheaper amps before finally breaking down and buying the Emotiva gear I have now (LMC-1 pre/pro and LPA-1 amp), I can finally say the 5.2s sound incredible. I have no issues with them whatsoever, and had I in fact paid $1000 for them, I would still be absolutely happy with them. I even tried some mixing on them, with excellent results. The only reason I don't have them hooked up at the moment is I'm still having too much fun with my new Dana 930s I just got this week. In fact the 930s are SO good, I might have to pack up the 5.2s and put them away for later when I have a nice big room to use them in for home theater. They're too good to not use them somewhere.

So you see, I'm not married to my Swans. I just happen to think they're fantastic speakers that look great and are WAY more than fairly priced, even at $1000. (That was an excellent example of an OPINION, BTW. )

Now the Danas, I'm sensitive about! SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT MY DANAS AND I WILL KICK YOU IN THE NNNNNNNUUTTTTTTS!!!!!!!!! hehe.

Oh and thanks for the compliment on my excellent photographic and speaker dusting skills. Now can we lose this silly discussion please?!


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Have any of you swan owners purchased your speakers from OZhometheater? If so how was the experience as I'm leaning towards a purchase perhaps as soon as the first of the year and with their moneyback guarantee and in home trial I can order the 6.1s make sure I like them, then build the rest of the system.
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How large is the port on the 5.1's??? How much do they weigh??? What are the dimensions??? TIA...
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wow you claim you don't care anything I have to say about Swan and that I like to argue, yet you argue back with a whole article. LOL. If you don't care what I have say, why are you here? My opinions derived from what I saw with my own eyes. It's a FACT to me, and I stated as such.

Some people simply can't take Any negative comment (even something as little as this), that's the definition of fanboism. I tell it like it is, sorry.
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Don't mind Openwheelracing, he's been bashing Swans in EVERY Swan thread on this forum! Jeeze, give it a rest already!
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Don't mind Openwheelracing, he's been bashing Swans in EVERY Swan thread on this forum! Jeeze, give it a rest already!

I'd like to know how I am "bashing" Swan. No one here has a right to say the slightest negative comment about Swan?

Since there won't be any civil discussions here, I'll just let all 4 fanboys troll this thread. Enjoy your speakers.
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Your anti-Swan bias is obvious to all reading these threads. If you don't care for them, fine, but why to you continue to pop up on each Swan thread? I don't care for Klipsch speakers, but I NEVER post negative comments over there. Why don't you go haunt the Vienna Acoustics forum?
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I'd like to know how I am "bashing" Swan. No one here has a right to say the slightest negative comment about Swan?

Since there won't be any civil discussions here, I'll just let all 4 fanboys troll this thread. Enjoy your speakers.

Hey, enjoy your V.A. Haydens! To paraphrase your Swan slam, "I hope you didn't pay $1295 for them"!
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BTW, I sure hope you didn't pay $1000 for a pair of 5.2s.

Bash?
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I purchased my 6.1's/C3/R3's from OZ a few months back...great experience. The only negative was that the C3 was out of stock when it showed as in stock. I should be getting it shortly. Steve had no control over this as this was a warehouse computer issue re stock.

Steve Ozmai is top notch, very honest. He answered all my questions via email for a LOOOOONG time. I rec'd the 4 other speakers within 2-3 days as I recall...just as promised. No issues with FedEx...the speakers were in good shape - double boxed etc.

Jon Lane from TAI is also top notch and very honest.


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Have any of you swan owners purchased your speakers from OZhometheater? If so how was the experience as I'm leaning towards a purchase perhaps as soon as the first of the year and with their moneyback guarantee and in home trial I can order the 6.1s make sure I like them, then build the rest of the system.

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I am not allowed to answer one questions in this thread? I said I didn't like the way the tweeter is integrated on the .2s, I perfer the .1s, then the sky fell on the Swan fanboys. Relax. You should know I got nothing against your beloved brand. You only think I am "anti-Swan" simply because you are so ridiculously pro-Swan. I doubt you work there, but you sound like a pushy salesman here.

Just because YOU don't post anything negative, others can't either?
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I purchased my 6.1's/C3/R3's from OZ a few months back...great experience. The only negative was that the C3 was out of stock when it showed as in stock. I should be getting it shortly. Steve had no control over this as this was a warehouse computer issue re stock.

Steve Ozmai is top notch, very honest. He answered all my questions via email for a LOOOOONG time. I rec'd the 4 other speakers within 2-3 days as I recall...just as promised. No issues with FedEx...the speakers were in good shape - double boxed etc.

Jon Lane from TAI is also top notch and very honest.

Thanks for the response, glad to hear I can't go wrong with either biz
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Bash?

How is that bashing? Most people pay less than $500 for them. You should know.
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I'd like to know how I am "bashing" Swan. No one here has a right to say the slightest negative comment about Swan?

Since there won't be any civil discussions here, I'll just let all 4 fanboys troll this thread. Enjoy your speakers.


How can we miss you if you won't go away? For the record, I don't work for TAI, Oz, or Swan. I don't beta-test or anything else. My speakers were all purchased at regular retail prices, and my enthusiasm and support for the line is based entirely on my being a satisfied customer. Nice try though...
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How can we miss you if you won't go away? For the record, I don't work for TAI, Oz, or Swan. I don't beta-test or anything else. My speakers were all purchased at regular retail prices, and my enthusiasm and support for the line is based entirely on my being a satisfied customer. Nice try though...

? Nice try about what? I already knew you don't work there. You didn't answer the quoted question. Did you quote the right post?

So you can't tell me how I am "bashing" Swan, yet you like to bash me simply because I had the slightest negative comment.
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How should I know what the Heck you're talking about? How the Heck would I know that most people pay less than retail? And why are you still here, I thought you were leaving?

Edit: This is becoming tiresome. As I see it you don't own Swans, you don't seem to particularly like Swans, but you're posting (and arguing) in every Swan thread. I have better things to do now, so since you won't leave I will. I'll check back later, enjoy your Sunday!
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openwheelracing, if there's anything you want to review or discuss with me, please feel free to email or PM. I'm sure we can clear up any misconceptions or misunderstandings for you. As some of the comments here may beg credibility just a bit, perhaps I can help out? Perhaps you had a bad experience at one point and we can yet make it right for you?

I just want to clear the air so we don't keep thread-bumping in a less than positive fashion. Thanks in advance for keeping things open and civil...

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Have any of you swan owners purchased your speakers from OZhometheater? If so how was the experience as I'm leaning towards a purchase perhaps as soon as the first of the year and with their moneyback guarantee and in home trial I can order the 6.1s make sure I like them, then build the rest of the system.

Just hope that FedEx does not mess up things. Took me about a month to get all my speakers due to Fed Ex.

That said Jon Lane is the best in the biz. He responds to emails and makes things happen. My C3 was also out of stock but he was kind enough to send me a loaner C3 in BC until they come in which should be very soon.

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openwheelracing, if there's anything you want to review or discuss with me, please feel free to email or PM. I'm sure we can clear up any misconceptions or misunderstandings for you. As some of the comments here may beg credibility just a bit, perhaps I can help out? Perhaps you had a bad experience at one point and we can yet make it right for you?

I just want to clear the air so we don't keep thread-bumping in a less than positive fashion. Thanks in advance for keeping things open and civil...

Now that's a classy post from the ultimate Swan owner:

Jon: I am interested in the Swan D2.1se, patiently waiting on discounts . (I learned the hard way) It could replace the my Viennas. I tried a pair with butterfly ribbon tweeter at the HiVi store and was impressed as well. Too bad they didn't have D2.1se.
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Just hope that FedEx does not mess up things. Took me about a month to get all my speakers due to Fed Ex.

That said Jon Lane is the best in the biz. He responds to emails and makes things happen. My C3 was also out of stock but he was kind enough to send me a loaner C3 in BC until they come in which should be very soon.

Very cool of Jon! Sounds like you and I both "missed the boat" (literally) on our rosewood C3's...
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Now that's a classy post from the ultimate Swan owner:

Jon: I am interested in the Swan D2.1se, patiently waiting on discounts . (I learned the hard way) It could replace the my Viennas. I tried a pair with butterfly ribbon tweeter at the HiVi store and was impressed as well. Too bad they didn't have D2.1se.

Hi, thanks for the note, openwheel. May I call you openwheel?

About discounts, this is the first season in the last twenty we've dropped Diva below our usual ID discounts (which are real -- I definitely see the margins at month's-end, let me tell you.) The D2.1se was not easy to price below $1k but we wanted to give it a try.

Because I personally identify with this particular design style and had ample experience with it over 20 years ago, I'd like to revisit the D2.1se in a signature version, which is basically my xover and other internals inside and behind the stock cabinet and drivers.

The "problem" is that it'll have to run quite a bit more; probably entering the list just under the secretive Dana 930. (You can see the blog at our site for a little background on the D2.1se's technical roots and what it means to us.)

Long story short: We'll very likely never discount the hard-to-get D2.1se below today's intro level, and subsequent upgraded models will run appreciably more.

I wish I had more positive news in that regard, but as I say, we made the hard decision already and now we're scrambling to make it work. Oh, we have maple and black on the D2.1se menu, and there are currently nearly 400 pairs across these mixed finishes slated for Q4 and Q1 2008. Black will actually be a tad less, and the genuine birdseye maple, which is hugely expensive, will be higher.

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I figured D2.1se wouldnt' go much lower considering the demand will go up (I blame craigsub ). I am considering selling the Viennas and D2.1se is on the top of the list to replace them.
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I bought my center c3 from OZ. No issues.

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Have any of you swan owners purchased your speakers from OZhometheater? If so how was the experience as I'm leaning towards a purchase perhaps as soon as the first of the year and with their moneyback guarantee and in home trial I can order the 6.1s make sure I like them, then build the rest of the system.

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Hi Jon Lane, are there any pictures of the new finishes for the D2.1SE? I don't see the option on the website at all.
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Hi Jon,

I notice the tweeter used in D2.1SE has 2 thin copper wires. It is very interesting. Can you comments a bit on that design. Also, I have been always wonder why mid bass Hi Vi driver has the shape similar to Dynaudio mid bass driver. I read the technical aspect of the Dynaudio mid bass driver and found very interesting. Does the Hi Fi use similar technique or is it just a coincident it looks similar. Can you share any thoughts?

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What would the ideal center be for a 5.1 setup that was based on D2.1SE fronts? I know a 3rd D2.1se would be the obvious choice but I'm afraid that like many others, I'm not well equipped for a veritical Center...or would be be ok to set a third D2.1 on it's side? Or does a specific Swan C match up

See my 6.1s haven't even been delivered yet for my 2 channel system and I'm already trying to upgrade my HT...WAF may need some work but hey
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Hi Jon,

I notice the tweeter used in D2.1SE has 2 thin copper wires. It is very interesting.

I thought they were just exposed leads. Diva .2 centers have those as well. HiVi seem to like that design.
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How large is the port on the 5.1's??? How much do they weigh??? What are the dimensions??? TIA...

Anyone have real world measurments they can share? I am most interested in the port size. Looks huge! As for the dimensions I would like inches and not metric #'s please.
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The port on the 5.1 is flared and kind of hard to measure. I get about 3 1/4" i.d. inside the speaker, flaring to about 3 3/4" i.d. at the front of the speaker. o.d at the front of speaker 5 1/4". they are 13'' deep(not including binding post) and are 10" wide at the widest point as they have curved sides. 48" tall including feet. I'm not sure about the weight, would have to move them to a hard surface to weigh. I'd guess about 45 -50 pounds but I could be off,just a guess...
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Thanks. I thought from the pictures they were deeper than that. Does the height include the top mounted tweeter?
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