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post #7291 of 7301 Old 09-22-2014, 07:49 AM
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Hi All,
I am a new member of this forum. Thanks for the tons of information in this thread - I went through the first 90 pages during the last couple of weeks and still continuing

I have a ~13x18 room with 8ft ceiling where I am putting a 110-inch projector screen and 5.1 sound. It isn't a dedicated home theater room - I avoided going for floorstanding or bigger speakers so that kids don't bump into them while playing. Planning to go for this configuration for the speakers:
1. Promonitor 1000 for Front L/R (already bought)
2. Procenter 2000 (already bought)
3. PL-200 subwoofer (already bought)
4. Promonitor 800 for rear surround (to be bought next month)


I have a question related to AV receiver choice. My budget for the receiver is <$300. Last month, I bought a Denon s500BT receiver after seeing that it has bluetooth and because of Denon reputation. Now when I started going through this thread, I found discussions on Audyssey - which this receiver doesn't have. I am thinking if I should forget about bluetooth (as I'll be mostly watching moves 80% of the time) and go for Denon AVR-e300 which is also in my budget. Today is the last day I can return s500bt. The e300 doesn't have bluetooth but has airplay. It has the Audyssey that everyone talks about and has slightly more power wattage than s500bt. I don't care about the 4K passthrough at present but need 3D passthrough.

Any other recommendations will also be appreciated.
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Hi All,
I am a new member of this forum. Thanks for the tons of information in this thread - I went through the first 90 pages during the last couple of weeks and still continuing

I have a ~13x18 room with 8ft ceiling where I am putting a 110-inch projector screen and 5.1 sound. It isn't a dedicated home theater room - I avoided going for floorstanding or bigger speakers so that kids don't bump into them while playing. Planning to go for this configuration for the speakers:
1. Promonitor 1000 for Front L/R (already bought)
2. Procenter 2000 (already bought)
3. PL-200 subwoofer (already bought)
4. Promonitor 800 for rear surround (to be bought next month)


I have a question related to AV receiver choice. My budget for the receiver is <$300. Last month, I bought a Denon s500BT receiver after seeing that it has bluetooth and because of Denon reputation. Now when I started going through this thread, I found discussions on Audyssey - which this receiver doesn't have. I am thinking if I should forget about bluetooth (as I'll be mostly watching moves 80% of the time) and go for Denon AVR-e300 which is also in my budget. Today is the last day I can return s500bt. The e300 doesn't have bluetooth but has airplay. It has the Audyssey that everyone talks about and has slightly more power wattage than s500bt. I don't care about the 4K passthrough at present but need 3D passthrough.

Any other recommendations will also be appreciated.
I highly recommend audyssey.


http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavre400/denon-avr-e400-7.1-4k-3d-networking-receiver-airplay/1.html
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Hi All,

I have a question related to AV receiver choice. My budget for the receiver is <$300. Last month, I bought a Denon s500BT receiver after seeing that it has bluetooth and because of Denon reputation. Now when I started going through this thread, I found discussions on Audyssey - which this receiver doesn't have. I am thinking if I should forget about bluetooth (as I'll be mostly watching moves 80% of the time) and go for Denon AVR-e300 which is also in my budget. Today is the last day I can return s500bt. The e300 doesn't have bluetooth but has airplay. It has the Audyssey that everyone talks about and has slightly more power wattage than s500bt. I don't care about the 4K passthrough at present but need 3D passthrough.
Room correction such as Audyssey is useful. Its impact is less in smaller rooms where listeners are not far from the speakers, where everything is symmetrical, and where there's a lot of upholstery, carpeting, and other sound-deadening material so that most of what listeners hear is direct, rather than reflected sound. This doesn't apply to low frequencies, however. And in such a room, you'll need more amplifier power than you would in a more resonant space... and power is where an entry level receiver with no room correction is going to be weakest.

Audyssey and more power. There are other ways to add BT later.

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Thanks guys. I returned my s500BT yesterday and ordered Denon AVR-e400 today from accessories4less

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I got the Denon AVR-e400 today. accessories4less did a good job with shipping speed! I connected my 3.1 speaker set and got amazed with the sound quality. Don't know if it sounds different due to change in receiver (s500bt to e400) or due to addition of procenter 2000

I haven't run the Audyssey setup yet. Planning to wait until next month when I get the Promonitor 800 surrounds and mount all speakers.

Don't have a monitor in my setup currently - so I was just playing some youtube videos on my iphone connected to the receiver through USB for testing. That sounded awesome!! Can't wait for bluray
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Planning to buy two promonitor 800 speakers for rear next week. As I said earlier, I already have promonitor 1000 and procenter 2000 for the front.

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I was planning to go through bajawaverunner to get 800s because of my budget. They will come to ~160$ including tax. I can also spend 80$ more and get SM450s instead - in which case, I can put SM450s in the front with pro2000 and move promonitor1000s to the back. I would need to find a bookshelf mount for SM450s in that case as promount 90 won't work.

Considering SM450s are one generation older than rest of my speakers - will it make sense to spend more money and get them instead of 800s? Or should I stay with 800 rears and save $80 I am happy with the sound that I am getting from promonitor 1000 fronts... Thanks!
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Planning to buy two promonitor 800 speakers for rear next week. As I said earlier, I already have promonitor 1000 and procenter 2000 for the front.

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I was planning to go through bajawaverunner to get 800s because of my budget. They will come to ~160$ including tax. I can also spend 80$ more and get SM450s instead - in which case, I can put SM450s in the front with pro2000 and move promonitor1000s to the back. I would need to find a bookshelf mount for SM450s in that case as promount 90 won't work.

Considering SM450s are one generation older than rest of my speakers - will it make sense to spend more money and get them instead of 800s? Or should I stay with 800 rears and save $80 I am happy with the sound that I am getting from promonitor 1000 fronts... Thanks!

Go with the SM 450's and move them to the front stage with the PC2000.

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Is there any benefit to upgrading from a 2.1 setup to a 3.1 with a procenter 1000? One can be had for $143 from bajawaverunner on eBay and I'm wondering if it's worth the upgrade. I don't have the option to add surrounds at this time b/c I'm in a rented townhouse and can't properly run the wires through the walls.
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cla55clown - I will share my opinion while we wait for experts. I just moved from a 2.1 setup (2 promonitor 1000) to a 3.1 (added procenter 2000). You will not see lot of difference while listening to music. However, if you watch movies - the setup becomes whole lot better. I felt that the front L/R became more open to reproducing music because the center channel took the dialogue delivering responsibility. The front sound stage is definitely better with a center channel while watching movies and TV. Also dialogues are clearer.

Procenter 1000 will blend well with the promonitor 800s.
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Is there any benefit to upgrading from a 2.1 setup to a 3.1 with a procenter 1000? One can be had for $143 from bajawaverunner on eBay and I'm wondering if it's worth the upgrade. I don't have the option to add surrounds at this time b/c I'm in a rented townhouse and can't properly run the wires through the walls.
Cla55clown,

The 3.1 system would be a step-up from the 2.1 system when watching movies. As advised by pmat123, movie sound tracks are multi-channel rather than 2-channel found in stereo. As such when your receiver decodes the movie soundtrack, it will have to down-mix to your 2.1 setup, which may result in some loss of information.

The other thing to consider is the where your Main Listening Position (MLP) relative to the front sound stage. With a 2.1 setup, unless one is at the sweet spot, the phantom central imagining will collapse. With a dedicated central speaker, you can aim this towards your listening position to give a larger sweet spot, an improved sound stage such as when sound objects are panning across and more flexibility on where you want to sit. Clarity should also be better.

For surround speakers, you might want to try the wireless setup using the following kit like this:http://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-W...with+amplifier assuming you've got pre-outs for the surround with a dedicated separate amp like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00026BQJ6/...LZ5DX0PC&psc=1 to power the speakers.

Outlaw Audio makes an equivalent wireless kit for a little bit more cost here: http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/OAW3.html

You may want to consider moving your existing fronts for surround duties and up-grade the front sound stage with better speakers...

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You may want to consider moving your existing fronts for surround duties and up-grade the front sound stage with better speakers...
Thanks for the responses guys! Sounds like you are in agreement that adding a matching center channel to my setup would improve the "soundstage" I guess is the term I'm looking for. Currently my movie/music enjoyment is 70/30. I'm aware that my L/R satellites can and will be improved upon, the timing is just not right for that. My long-term plan is to move these PM800s to surround duty at a later date in a different house. I also picked up the matching ProStand for the PM800s so that should further separate the channels.
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