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I just got a set of procinema 600 and noticed that the center only comes with 1/4" 20 thread holes. Is there any recommendation on how I can flush mount them against the wall. I won't want to get the normal mount since they will be off 2-3 inch from the wall and I want to avoid it. I will be mounting them under the TV on the wall.
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I posted this in the Def Tech thread not knowing that there is a thread devoted to the ProSeries speakers.

I am currently re-evalutaing my HT setup (3.1) and I have a quick question. I have a set of ProMonitor 800's for my fronts and a ProCenter 1000 for my center. I am considering an upgrade of my fronts to the ProMonitor 1000's. One of the requirements for the upgrade would be the ability to hang them on the wall. I already have the Def Tech hangers installed so the 1000's seem like the best place to start. Will the 1000's be a good upgrade or will this be a fairly unnoticeable change. I am looking for a bit more bass out of my fronts and I am wondering if the lower frequency response and the large woofer will give me this?

My other question is if I upgrade to the 1000's will I also need to upgrade the center to a 2000 to keep the woofer size consistent across the sound field or can I use a different size woofers and be OK?

I will also say that I just hooked up an SVS PB-1000 sub so overall bass is not a problem.

Thanks

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I posted this in the Def Tech thread not knowing that there is a thread devoted to the ProSeries speakers.

I am currently re-evalutaing my HT setup (3.1) and I have a quick question. I have a set of ProMonitor 800's for my fronts and a ProCenter 1000 for my center. I am considering an upgrade of my fronts to the ProMonitor 1000's. One of the requirements for the upgrade would be the ability to hang them on the wall. I already have the Def Tech hangers installed so the 1000's seem like the best place to start. Will the 1000's be a good upgrade or will this be a fairly unnoticeable change. I am looking for a bit more bass out of my fronts and I am wondering if the lower frequency response and the large woofer will give me this?

My other question is if I upgrade to the 1000's will I also need to upgrade the center to a 2000 to keep the woofer size consistent across the sound field or can I use a different size woofers and be OK?

I will also say that I just hooked up an SVS PB-1000 sub so overall bass is not a problem.

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Just wondering what is the size of your room?

If on the medium to large size the upgrade may help fill the space better and sound a bit more fuller. Yes you do want to keep the front stage as even as you can. The 800 set goes with PC-1000 where the 1000's make a good match to the PC-2000 center channel.

I listened to the 800's, 1000's and others before deciding on the 1000's as my living room opens up to the kitchen for close to 3,000cf. The 1000's seemed to sound fuller and could fill my space better. I matched them to the PC-2000 and was thinking of adding the SVS PB-1000 sub as that is what Merlin on the SVS site said would be a good fit. Well then SVS came out with the PB-2000 and I was hoping to feel the bass. I chose that sub based on the size of the room and we are also avid movie watchers, 3-4 a week. I've had the system for a year so far and I'm still smiling every time a movie starts.

As with most bookshelf speakers or smaller it helps to have a good sub to carry the load for bass. You have done that with the PB-1000 sub and if you upgrade your speakers it will still be a good match for them. Also if you do upgrade you can move the 800's to the surround sound duties for a 5.1 system as they fit well for that, if you chose.

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Just wondering what is the size of your room?

If on the medium to large size the upgrade may help fill the space better and sound a bit more fuller. Yes you do want to keep the front stage as even as you can. The 800 set goes with PC-1000 where the 1000's make a good match to the PC-2000 center channel.

I listened to the 800's, 1000's and others before deciding on the 1000's as my living room opens up to the kitchen for close to 3,000cf. The 1000's seemed to sound fuller and could fill my space better. I matched them to the PC-2000 and was thinking of adding the SVS PB-1000 sub as that is what Merlin on the SVS site said would be a good fit. Well then SVS came out with the PB-2000 and I was hoping to feel the bass. I chose that sub based on the size of the room and we are also avid movie watchers, 3-4 a week. I've had the system for a year so far and I'm still smiling every time a movie starts.

As with most bookshelf speakers or smaller it helps to have a good sub to carry the load for bass. You have done that with the PB-1000 sub and if you upgrade your speakers it will still be a good match for them. Also if you do upgrade you can move the 800's to the surround sound duties for a 5.1 system as they fit well for that, if you chose.
Total room size is 25 x 16 x 7 with the listening/seating area being 16 x 16 x 7. It is pretty open on the back and not at all good for HT. As much as I really like the PB-1000 I am already looking at a possible upgrade to the PC-2000, the PB-2000 is just to big a footprint for my living room.

I pulled the trigger on the PM1000's and the PC2000 today to try them out.

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Total room size is 25 x 16 x 7 with the listening/seating area being 16 x 16 x 7. It is pretty open on the back and not at all good for HT. As much as I really like the PB-1000 I am already looking at a possible upgrade to the PC-2000, the PB-2000 is just to big a footprint for my living room.

I pulled the trigger on the PM1000's and the PC2000 today to try them out.
Great! I think you will be happy with those new speakers as your room is close to 3,000cf. I'll be look out for your thoughts once you have tried them out and broke them in.

Upgrading the sub also? That's awsome! You are in for a real treat if you opt for that PC-2000 sub. If it is anything like the PB-2000 you'll not only hear the bass but you'll be feeling it also. Not to many reviews yet for that sub as it's still to new and just started shipping out last month so if you do get one please post your thoughts.
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Total room size is 25 x 16 x 7 with the listening/seating area being 16 x 16 x 7. It is pretty open on the back and not at all good for HT. As much as I really like the PB-1000 I am already looking at a possible upgrade to the PC-2000, the PB-2000 is just to big a footprint for my living room.

I pulled the trigger on the PM1000's and the PC2000 today to try them out.
For the sub, it will "see" the whole volume and not just where the speakers are placed within the smaller area. Since you've mentioned it opens up to the back, that volume would also need to be taken into consideration.

One solution is to use multiple subs, i.e. one near field and another further away along the room boundaries. If possible use identical subs. Use of multiple subs have numerous benefits. It will smooth out the bass frequencies over a larger sweet spot and give more seat to seat consistency. It will provide more headroom. It will also minimize localization. It will allow a higher crossover frequency between the satellites and the sub.

The hard part is dialing in multiple subs. But there is help available here in AVS if one is interested.

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I posted this in the Def Tech thread not knowing that there is a thread devoted to the ProSeries speakers.

I am currently re-evalutaing my HT setup (3.1) and I have a quick question. I have a set of ProMonitor 800's for my fronts and a ProCenter 1000 for my center. I am considering an upgrade of my fronts to the ProMonitor 1000's. One of the requirements for the upgrade would be the ability to hang them on the wall. I already have the Def Tech hangers installed so the 1000's seem like the best place to start. Will the 1000's be a good upgrade or will this be a fairly unnoticeable change. I am looking for a bit more bass out of my fronts and I am wondering if the lower frequency response and the large woofer will give me this?

My other question is if I upgrade to the 1000's will I also need to upgrade the center to a 2000 to keep the woofer size consistent across the sound field or can I use a different size woofers and be OK?

I will also say that I just hooked up an SVS PB-1000 sub so overall bass is not a problem.

Thanks
You will want the PC 2000 with the pm 1000's for sure. I love them.

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I posted this in the Def Tech thread not knowing that there is a thread devoted to the ProSeries speakers.

I am currently re-evalutaing my HT setup (3.1) and I have a quick question. I have a set of ProMonitor 800's for my fronts and a ProCenter 1000 for my center. I am considering an upgrade of my fronts to the ProMonitor 1000's. One of the requirements for the upgrade would be the ability to hang them on the wall. I already have the Def Tech hangers installed so the 1000's seem like the best place to start. Will the 1000's be a good upgrade or will this be a fairly unnoticeable change. I am looking for a bit more bass out of my fronts and I am wondering if the lower frequency response and the large woofer will give me this?

My other question is if I upgrade to the 1000's will I also need to upgrade the center to a 2000 to keep the woofer size consistent across the sound field or can I use a different size woofers and be OK?

I will also say that I just hooked up an SVS PB-1000 sub so overall bass is not a problem.

Thanks

I have that setup for years now and I love them. I strictly used them for movies and they sound great. I have a PC2000 for center and the PM1000 for sorround, just added 4 DefTech DIR6.5 on the ceiling for Dolby Atmos I'm impressed Deftech make really nice speakers without breaking much your pocket. The PM producer good sound as you can get some good mid range out of them. Enjoy.

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hi all I have a crazy question I have a pro sub 1000 just sitting around and my center channel is trhe def tec cs8040hd. I was going to wire the center through the sub that I have and run my center as full range letting the cross over in the sub to hadle the cross over point for the center . the problem im having is that my towers are out doing my center channel and I don't have the funds yet to get a full range front channel yet
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hi all I have a crazy question I have a pro sub 1000 just sitting around and my center channel is trhe def tec cs8040hd. I was going to wire the center through the sub that I have and run my center as full range letting the cross over in the sub to hadle the cross over point for the center . the problem im having is that my towers are out doing my center channel and I don't have the funds yet to get a full range front channel yet
It should work just fine, besides it won't hurt to try it, just remember your not really talking about super low frequencies like the a "Sub", so keep the 1000 as close to the center as possible the sound will be localized more than a regular sub, so you will notice where it's coming from. (I use Supercubes as powered woofers for my surrounds and you can hear where the sound is coming from)

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Thank you for the info just got finished whirring everything up. Getting ready to try it out will post back in a few
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Ok after running my center channel through my sub and setting the center to large all I can say is wow what a differance this had made. I'm finding out I don't have to turn up the volume the hear to dialog.so in the end all this has told me that I need a new center. Any recommendations .
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Ok after running my center channel through my sub and setting the center to large all I can say is wow what a differance this had made. I'm finding out I don't have to turn up the volume the hear to dialog.so in the end all this has told me that I need a new center. Any recommendations .
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IMO, these would be your choices.
Non-Powered:
PC-2000 - Different styling, but the 5.25" drivers should give you some of the lower tones that you seem to not be getting.
CLR2002 - Older speaker, same styling as what you have, again, larger drivers.
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CS8060-HD - Powered woofer, probably very close to what you just pieced together.
CLR2300 or CLR2500 - Older models but still excellent, the 2300 would be the closest match to what you have or the CS8060.

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Hey Guys,


With so many experts in this forum, I hope you can help me out...
On a scale of 1 to 10, my up-to-date knowledge for audio is about a 5 (maybe a 6).


I've been reading off and on in this forum while I've been installing Crown Molding in my Family Room. Well it is now finished, and I'm now looking to put speakers up in the corners. I ran speaker wires behind the crown molding to accommodate.


My family room is 17ft x 11ft, with a 9ft ceiling, where the back wall doesn't exist as it opens directly into the kitchen area. I'm looking for the best bang for the buck with a budget of $800 or less. But I'm looking for WHITE Speakers, as I want to hear them, but I don't want to see them. However, the subwoofer does NOT have to be White; it can be Black (its going to go under a coffee table.


Last fall (Oct-2014) I was at BB and heard the ProCinema 800, and was blown away, by the sound. At that time BB was selling the system at a reduced price of $800. I didn't buy them as I thought there was a chance that their price would go down further on Black Friday. Well they didn't, and instead they went up in price... currently $1,000 or so.


These ProCinema 800 speakers come in White, and the size is not obtrusive, so right now they are my top choice. (the 600 series, seem underpowered, so I won't consider those).


I've looked at other speakers systems, but in the end, the color white is a requirement for this room. So my choices are reduced.


Right now, my budget is $800 for the speakers, and maybe as much as $500 for a receiver (with WiFi / Blue tooth?). (I've got 4 kids to put through college, so I'm not looking to spend anymore than this).


My wife has already scheduled a BIG family Christmas party at our house in December, so I'm motivated to get this done.


I attached pictures so you guys can see my room configuration. My family & I watch primarily Cable TV, and Netflix in this room (sometimes movies).


P.S. I have a Man Cave with a projector in the basement with larger/older infinity speakers / Kenwood receiver where most of the movies are watched if encapsulating audio is a must.

From this forum, I have since learned about "Baja wave runner" on ebay for refurbished deals on Definitive Technology items, so I'm now watching what is for sale there.


But what I need help on is ...


What are some other places I could look at for low prices for the ProCinema system?
[Side Note: I live in SE Michigan, North of Detroit, so Canada is only 45 minutes away. Exchange rates are decent right now at $1/USD to $1.26 Canadian, so pricing could be better if bought from Canada, so I'd consider that too.]


Is there another speaker system that is better for my room configuration, that has white speakers?


I'm willing to mix & match the speaker if necessary, especially for the sub-woofer (I plan to put it under one of the coffee tables), and it can be black ... So what do you guys recommend for a good subwoofer?


Lastly, for the receiver, AM/FM is not a must. I do quite a bit of streaming, so WIFI & Blue tooth are more of a need. Also Optical Audio Input is needed. Is there one on the market that accommodates and is within $500?


Side Note: My HDTV is a LG 55" 3D LED TV. This HDTV has Optical Audio Digital Out,]
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I can't help you much with specifically white speakers, but while your looking I thought I'd let you know, the 800's 1000's are the newer versions of the 80's & 100's they will have similar sound profiles, the biggest difference that later version will have the bass radiator, but the proper Sub, that won't make that much of a difference just thought pass along that info possibly open up your search a little. You can find 80's and 100's pretty reasonable on e-bay.

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I would go with the PM 1000's from Baja as they are better than the 800's and make sure to get the PC 2000 for the center - not the PC1000. I have this set up and love it in my dedicated home theater.

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From this forum, I have since learned about "Baja wave runner" on ebay for refurbished deals on Definitive Technology items, so I'm now watching what is for sale there.


But what I need help on is ...


What are some other places I could look at for low prices for the ProCinema system?
[Side Note: I live in SE Michigan, North of Detroit, so Canada is only 45 minutes away. Exchange rates are decent right now at $1/USD to $1.26 Canadian, so pricing could be better if bought from Canada, so I'd consider that too.]


Is there another speaker system that is better for my room configuration, that has white speakers?


I'm willing to mix & match the speaker if necessary, especially for the sub-woofer (I plan to put it under one of the coffee tables), and it can be black ... So what do you guys recommend for a good subwoofer?


Lastly, for the receiver, AM/FM is not a must. I do quite a bit of streaming, so WIFI & Blue tooth are more of a need. Also Optical Audio Input is needed. Is there one on the market that accommodates and is within $500?


Side Note: My HDTV is a LG 55" 3D LED TV. This HDTV has Optical Audio Digital Out,]

Hi fulcrum2015,

Welcome to AVS!

Since you're on a tight budget, suggest looking for good 2nd hand speakers and gear until you're ready to up-grade further down the track. Probably the best deals can be found on Craigslist around your area.

You might also want to look at re-furbished supplier such as Accessories4less.

As far a receivers to look for, what you're asking can be found in most modern receivers. Every year, new models are coming out and the previous year's model is discontinued. Great bargains can be found on previous year's model or open box items in Bet Buy.

Internet Direct (ID) sub companies provide the best bang for the buck. The following is a short list of ID sub companies that AVS members have reported back with good results.

HSU
SVS
Rythmik Audio
PSA
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I can't help you much with specifically white speakers, but while your looking I thought I'd let you know, the 800's 1000's are the newer versions of the 80's & 100's they will have similar sound profiles, the biggest difference that later version will have the bass radiator, but the proper Sub, that won't make that much of a difference just thought pass along that info possibly open up your search a little. You can find 80's and 100's pretty reasonable on e-bay.
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Excellent suggestion! I will definitely check into the ProMonitor 80s. Looking on ebay I see these also come in White.


Cheers!


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Hi fulcrum2015,

Welcome to AVS!

Since you're on a tight budget, suggest looking for good 2nd hand speakers and gear until you're ready to up-grade further down the track. Probably the best deals can be found on Craigslist around your area.

You might also want to look at re-furbished supplier such as Accessories4less.

As far a receivers to look for, what you're asking can be found in most modern receivers. Every year, new models are coming out and the previous year's model is discontinued. Great bargains can be found on previous year's model or open box items in Bet Buy.

Internet Direct (ID) sub companies provide the best bang for the buck. The following is a short list of ID sub companies that AVS members have reported back with good results.

HSU
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Thanks for the list of ID sub-companies, I will search them all. Due to your suggestions, I've already visited Accessories4All, and found other available systems in white. So this definitely broadens my choices.


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Excellent suggestion! I will definitely check into the ProMonitor 80s. Looking on ebay I see these also come in White.
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Here's the link to Baja that he was talking about - LINK.

Lots of folks on here buy from there with no issues whatsoever. It's DefTech's "unofficial" refurb seller.
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Can anyone point me to a website that shows the "Sound Profiles" for the Definitive Technology Speakers for both the 80s and 800s?
I'm leaning towards the 80s, but I've never heard them in person. Whereas I have heard the 800s at Best Buy, and loved them.
So I'd like to see how well the compare to each other.


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Can anyone recommend wall mounting options for the PM1000's? Are the $50 DefTech promount options the only ones? Will probably use similar mount for PM800's as well. Any white mounting options?

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Can anyone point me to a website that shows the "Sound Profiles" for the Definitive Technology Speakers for both the 80s and 800s?
I'm leaning towards the 80s, but I've never heard them in person. Whereas I have heard the 800s at Best Buy, and loved them.
So I'd like to see how well the compare to each other.
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just get the 800s from Baja... great speakers for their size.

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Can anyone recommend wall mounting options for the PM1000's? Are the $50 DefTech promount options the only ones? Will probably use similar mount for PM800's as well. Any white mounting options?

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Besides the ProMount 90, anything with a 1/4 - 20 thread will do (pretty sure it's a 20 pitch )
But, they have keyholes on them, any correct sized screw in a stud will work too.

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Besides the ProMount 90, anything with a 1/4 - 20 thread will do (pretty sure it's a 20 pitch )
But, they have keyholes on them, any correct sized screw in a stud will work too.
Thanks AltlOff....that's an interesting approach. I guess the only downfall would be if you were interested in tilting/swiveling.
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Thanks AltlOff....that's an interesting approach. I guess the only downfall would be if you were interested in tilting/swiveling.
Yup, pivoting is the only real downfall, since the keyholes only have a certain depth to them, tilting can be accomplished by simply lengthening the screw. I made my own mounts for my height layer, top holes allow for attaching directly to the top plate/stud In the wall and lengthening the screw at the bottom allows for tilt angle adjustment, concept is the same with just a screw in the wall, my brackets were so I could position them without having to limit my location to only where there was a vertical stud.



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Guys...we're about to move into our new house...the great room is roughly 21' x 16'. Are the PM1000s too small as L/R mains? Of course, I would pair them with the PC2000 center. I am teetering between the PM1000s and the SM55s.
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Guys...we're about to move into our new house...the great room is roughly 21' x 16'. Are the PM1000s too small as L/R mains? Of course, I would pair them with the PC2000 center. I am teetering between the PM1000s and the SM55s.
In that size room I'd say you'd probably want to go with more, the 1000's would make prefect surrounds but I'd go with SM55's or better yet SM65's for Fronts, and if you have the space and don't already have the PC2000, go with a set of 3.

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