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post #721 of 15440 Old 10-11-2007, 12:56 PM
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Can I have some help please? I have a JBL Venue SUB12 and a JBL Balboa SUB10. The subs plug into a Y-adapter then into my amplifier. Would putting the phase control on the SUB12 to 180 and the SUB10 to 0 maximize by bass? Any suggestions? Thanks.

I would suggest selling both of them and adding a little money to that and buying one good sub. (not trying to be insulting)
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I have spent a lot of $$$ on subs in the past year going through three of them. I have found from experience that a good sub will give you detail in the bass. HT people when starting out think that loud bass is where it is at, NO, it's in the detail. Subs that give detail and the best bang for the buck are HSU, Elemental Designs, and SVS. I myself prefer HSU. I am running a 3.3 Turbo with the MBM-12 and the detail is there big time! My HT area is over 6000 cubic feet so it takes alot of sub to fill it. JBL does not make the best subwoofers. Even though I have a complete set of JBL E series for my HT.

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Thanks for the advice, but my entertainment room is large and I do get more bass from them. Anyone know the phase position that gives more bass? Thanks.
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Nice post filecat13. I don't agree with every detail of it, but that is pretty much on the money and very informative for those who lack the knowledge of what they should or shouldn't buy.
So just to add one more comment...
PEOPLE, BUY A GOOD CENTER CHANNEL AND BUY A GOOD SUBWOOFER! In a home theater setting, those are the 2 most important speakers. Not that the mains and surrounds can be crap, they should be good to. Just don't skimp on the center. If you want good LFE, not just base, but good low tones produced in all the latest movie soundtracks, don't skimp an the sub either.

Since this was in response to my post...I want to say that filecat13 and smarty pants are right on the money from experience.

Here I am...I have great E50s and I don't have the EC35 (because I am too hard headed to buy a previously owned one and want new...and just worried that the LC2 will make my E50s become duds). I goofed by buying the EC25 because it it fit the cabinet space and sacrificed sound quality.

One thing I do want to add from experience now is that when selecting your surrounds...still choose great front surrounds. I am so glad I have the E50s up front...and by having the center channel set to 'small'...a lot of audio comes from the two fronts and really give a wide sound stage. Just as the E50s have those 8" woofers...I still get a lot of lower end range to supplement the subwoofer LFE.

So in retrospect from experience...I would rank the sequencing of priority as Center, fronts, sub, rears.

Same time...I kinda got lucky that the Polk Csi3 somewhat match the timber of my E50s. Maybe by luck.

Perhaps my next project is to look for another E50 so I can use that as my center channel. What do everyone here think about having the three front speakers to be exactly the same and just do away with the concept of a distinctly different center speaker?
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The next best thing (IMHO) to having a great dedicated center channel speaker, is to have all three speakers in the front be exactly the same. Some people will even argue that having 3 identical speakers in the fornt is even better than a decicated center.

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Anybody here using a amp to drive their JBL front speakers? I'm looking to use a crown 202 to drive my E90's for better clarity. My HT area is over 6000 sq ft and my primary interest in this is for music.

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Anybody here using a amp to drive their JBL front speakers? I'm looking to use a crown 202 to drive my E90's for better clarity. My HT area is over 6000 sq ft and my primary interest in this is for music.

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I do. I used to run my E100s with a Pioneer receiver with pretty good Mosfet amplifiers. Sounded pretty good. Then for a while I tried some Audiosource Amp One/As at 200w per speaker. They may have sounded a little better, not too much of a difference, but better at higher volumes. Recently I got a few Behringer A500s to juice them up to 500w each speaker. All though I have my HT in disarray right now, I did hook them up and gave them a good run. They sound even better yet. They sound more full at lower volumes than before, and when you turn them up...WOW. The only thing I don't like about my JBL E-series is that when they play at loud volumes, the highs are a little too much for me.
Honestly though, soon enough I will probably just get a nice high powered HDMI switching receiver and get rid of all the seperate amps. The A500s do make them sound better, but I'd say maybe only about 10-15% better if that. The JBLs are so efficient, that they really don't NEED seperate high powered amps. I'm finally starting to learn that.

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I do. I used to run my E100s with a Pioneer receiver with pretty good Mosfet amplifiers. Sounded pretty good. Then for a while I tried some Audiosource Amp One/As at 200w per speaker. They may have sounded a little better, not too much of a difference, but better at higher volumes. Recently I got a few Behringer A500s to juice them up to 500w each speaker. All though I have my HT in disarray right now, I did hook them up and gave them a good run. They sound even better yet. They sound more full at lower volumes than before, and when you turn them up...WOW. The only thing I don't like about my JBL E-series is that when they play at loud volumes, the highs are a little too much for me.
Honestly though, soon enough I will probably just get a nice high powered HDMI switching receiver and get rid of all the seperate amps. The A500s do make them sound better, but I'd say maybe only about 10-15% better if that. The JBLs are so efficient, that they really don't NEED seperate high powered amps. I'm finally starting to learn that.

I'm running a Pioneer VSX-74TXVi at 140 watts per channel. I figured that the E90's would sound better with the extra 60 watts and their is is difference between reciever watts and amp watts. I am more interested in the clarity of the sound. Ed subs has a Crown 202 for $300 and it's rated 2x200 watts.

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PEOPLE, BUY A GOOD CENTER CHANNEL AND BUY A GOOD SUBWOOFER! In a home theater setting, those are the 2 most important speakers. Not that the mains and surrounds can be crap, they should be good to. Just don't skimp on the center. If you want good LFE, not just base, but good low tones produced in all the latest movie soundtracks, don't skimp an the sub either.

Not as good as buying a good sub and running good quality, identical speakers all around. As I've been doing for 5 years.
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Hi guys I'm new to the floorstanding speaker way of things. Ive been doing alot of reading and just have a question. My bedroom is only about 20x15, small but I'm in college still. I have an opportunity to get a pair of L880's the Studio L series floor standers for $600 for the pair. Will this sound bad in such a small room?
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Hi guys I'm new to the floorstanding speaker way of things. Ive been doing alot of reading and just have a question. My bedroom is only about 20x15, small but I'm in college still. I have an opportunity to get a pair of L880's the Studio L series floor standers for $600 for the pair. Will this sound bad in such a small room?

Shouldn't sound bad, but you may want to get some kind of acoustical treatments for on the walls so the sound isn't bouncing all over the place.

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Any suggestions as what might work well?
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My room is in a basement so its insulated very well, I also have a drop ceiling(tiles) which will help. My walk-in closest has folding out doors which seem to help to i think.
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I wouldn't call a 20x15 room small, in comparision, my LR/HT is 17.5x20, if I have the sliding doors closed to the DR. Although it has a vaulted ceiling.
So there would be no problem using a pair of L880s. I don't know how you are going to set them up, but I suggest you keep them as far away from the walls as possible. When I had a pair of L890s in the HT I had them across the 17.5 width about 8 ft apart, leaving around 5 ft to each side wall. I also had the baffles 4 ft out from the end wall.
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Hmm that far off the wall huh? Maybe my dimensions arent right Im not sure. I'll have to upload a picture to show everyone because I think my options may be limited.
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Could I please get suggestions on how I should be setting my crossover frequency dial on my JBL E150P subwoofer when it is paired with my JBL E50s? They seem to be doing the job I want in my home theatre...as it isn't too boomy. Just trying to optimize.

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The XO should be at the point where the sub and E50 are -3 ~ -6 db.
Unless you are using a sub out on a receiver that has a XO that can't be changed. Then turn the sub's XO to its highest setting so that it is completely out of the way of the receiver's XO.
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The XO should be at the point where the sub and E50 are -3 ~ -6 db.
Unless you are using a sub out on a receiver that has a XO that can't be changed. Then turn the sub's XO to its highest setting so that it is completely out of the way of the receiver's XO.

So I better understand....do I set the sub's LFE level at a minus 3db compared to the mains on the receiver then I crank up the sub's volume level on the back of the sub's unit? Is that what I do?

Also...the sub's crossover dial indicated 50hz to 150hz. So where do I set the dial?

Thanks for your help.
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So I better understand....do I set the sub's LFE level at a minus 3db compared to the mains on the receiver then I crank up the sub's volume level on the back of the sub's unit? Is that what I do?

Also...the sub's crossover dial indicated 50hz to 150hz. So where do I set the dial?

Thanks for your help.

Look in the E50 owner's manual for the frequency response, such as, 80 htz ~ 22 khtz (-3db). That means @ 80htz the curve is down 3db. At the same time the high end of the sub's response should be down 3db. So the two combine to give a flat response @ 80htz.
If you have a receiver with an auto eq setup then it will set the volumes for all the speakers. Or you can use pink noise and a RS spl meter to do it.
The LFE is something else again, on HK receivers menu it suggest that the LFE XO be set @120 htz.
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Is the EC35 an upgrade to the S-Center-II? I know the Studio series is supposed to be better, but the build on the EC35 is wood vs the plastic build on the S-Center-II. This might effect sound. Also the EC35 seems bigger...

Would the EC35 match some S-312-IIs as far as tone?
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Sonically, the S-Center and the EC35 will be very similar, but I think the EC35 wins. As far as timbre matched, again they are going to be similar as they both use the same kind of tweeter. If you're useing the S-312-IIs then I would definately use an S-center-II to match them if possible. If you want to be rid of the S312s, then just sell them to me .

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Nope, my front stage speakers are all S-312-II, and S-Center-II They rock. So it'd be best to keep my Center?
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Here is a different question, not pertaining to me. A buddy is putting together a 7.1 system with an SVS PC+20-39.
What series would be the best to go with? Venue? I know it's no Studio, but he just wants to get out for around $1000 for speakers and $1000 for sub.

Would the Venue, front, side, rear and then an EC35 center be a good match? The Center venue is only 2-way, which I think a 3-way would be better for Voices. Would it all match?
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Is the EC35 an upgrade to the S-Center-II? I know the Studio series is supposed to be better, but the build on the EC35 is wood vs the plastic build on the S-Center-II. This might effect sound. Also the EC35 seems bigger...

Would the EC35 match some S-312-IIs as far as tone?

I think the S-Center would probably be the better speaker. It listed at a higher price point, and have a pure titanium versus titanium laminate tweeter. It was also positioned as a step above the current northridge series, at the time, the N-Series.

Though, adjusting for advances in speaker design over the past 8 years, I'd say they're probably equal. Infact, based on the similarity between the E50 and S38, I'd say that much of the studio series technology trickled down in to the new northridge e-series. That being said, I'd stay within the the studio series for timbre matching.

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Here is a different question, not pertaining to me. A buddy is putting together a 7.1 system with an SVS PC+20-39.
What series would be the best to go with? Venue? I know it's no Studio, but he just wants to get out for around $1000 for speakers and $1000 for sub.

For $1000, go with the Studio L Series if you want to stick with JBL. 5.1 system (svs sub obviously) if you can get the price right, 3.1 if you can't and add some inexpensive rears until you can. Speakers are an investment that will last you longer than any oter piece of equipment in your system.

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I think the S-Center would probably be the better speaker. It listed at a higher price point, and have a pure titanium versus titanium laminate tweeter. It was also positioned as a step above the current northridge series, at the time, the N-Series.

Though, adjusting for advances in speaker design over the past 8 years, I'd say they're probably equal. Infact, based on the similarity between the E50 and S38, I'd say that much of the studio series technology trickled down in to the new northridge e-series. That being said, I'd stay within the the studio series for timbre matching.

I've had a molded-plastic-housed JBL center and didn't like it. So I purposefully bought the EC35 to mate with my S312's. They are a very good timbre match...and they look more alike. The tweeter is a ti laminate in the EC35, not very different from the ti tweets of the S-series...at least sound-wise to my ears.

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I do have an EC-35, which was paired with the E-50's for the front array and the sound was pretty good. Afterwards though, I've swapped the EC-35 by the S-38II (I also have 1 pair) and WOW, what a difference...

Ever since my front array is E-50 for the L/R & the S-38II for CC.

Couldn't be happier though...

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Good to know Avliner... Seems as though my S-Center-II would be the better center.
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My current system is:
Front: S38
Center: S-Center-II
Sorround: N26
Sub: Hsu VTF-2

I am thinking to purchase L810 to replace N26 as the surround speakers. Do you think they'll match?
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My current system is:
Front: S38
Center: S-Center-II
Sorround: N26
Sub: Hsu VTF-2

I am thinking to purchase L810 to replace N26 as the surround speakers. Do you think they'll match?

I think that is not necessarely a good choice. I would look for some S38s for your surrounds (which there are some on eBay from time to time). Or, maybe replace the front line with Ls and move the S38s to the back.

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