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post #901 of 15417 Old 11-07-2007, 08:31 AM
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Does anybody own the JBL Array Series loudspeakers?

I've never heard them, but from what I've read, they are superb.
Greg Timbers, JBL's chief Engineer, has the proto types of those in his house. The web master @ Lansing Heritage, has called them the best speakers he has ever heard in a home environment
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Here is a pic of the PT800 brackets, mounted to the speaker.
Also, in case, anyone is not familar with the EZ anchors here is a shot of one.
I use these anchors to hold the 37 lb PT800s.
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yup those are the same anchors I have, good part is theyll also go into a stud too
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yup those are the same anchors I have, good part is theyll also go into a stud too

The metal ones that I showed, are much better than the plastic ones, when you're hanging 37 lb speakers on them as I do!
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Fronts = Jbl e100
center = jbl ec35
surrounds = jbl e50
sub = e250p


All speakers hooked on 14 gauge audioquest speaker wire via monster bannana plugs.

My question is this.

Will my HK 645 have enough power to drive this system or should I buy the 745 hk receiver?
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Fronts = Jbl e100
center = jbl ec35
surrounds = jbl e50
sub = e250p


All speakers hooked on 14 gauge audioquest speaker wire via monster bannana plugs.

My question is this.

Will my HK 645 have enough power to drive this system or should I buy the 745 hk receiver?

That's the same setup I have exept E50s in the back also and a different sub.
The 645 will drive them just fine. I would not upgrade to the 745 just for amplification alone. They will sound better with bigger amps, but those bigger amps would have to be more powerful external amps to hear any real difference.

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Take a peek everybody...http://www.jbl.com/array_series/defa...=US&Region=USA

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is anybody here using the LSR6332 p.a. monitors?

i ran a search, but didn't get any results.

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Is there anybody who've listened to attached RM-10 monitors?
If so, are they a good option for HT purposes?

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Is there anybody who've listened to attached RM-10 monitors?
If so, are they a good option for HT purposes?

Regards, Chuck

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That's the same setup I have exept E50s in the back also and a different sub.
The 645 will drive them just fine. I would not upgrade to the 745 just for amplification alone. They will sound better with bigger amps, but those bigger amps would have to be more powerful external amps to hear any real difference.



Since you have a similar setup, I have a few questions to ask you.

1) what kind of sub are you using?
2) Do you turn your equlizer off like me. I noticed it sounds better off on the 645.
3) what are your crossover settings for all of your speakers? I played with mine for a long time and here is mine:
fronts= full range
center= 80 htz
surrounds= 80htz
sub = 80htz and using lfe+sub mode (double base feature turnned on)
4) all speakers calibrated at "0" except surrounds are at +5 . What do you have?
5) logic 7 sounds incredible!
6) manual and remote is terrible!
7) are you using 14 gauge speaker wire like me?
8) I have my distances for all speakers at 15 feet, even when I am siiting closer. I experimented with this for a long time. This sounds the best. What do you have?

Thanks and I am looking forward to hearing your results.
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Since you have a similar setup, I have a few questions to ask you.

1) what kind of sub are you using?
2) Do you turn your equlizer off like me. I noticed it sounds better off on the 645.
3) what are your crossover settings for all of your speakers? I played with mine for a long time and here is mine:
fronts= full range
center= 80 htz
surrounds= 80htz
sub = 80htz and using lfe+sub mode (double base feature turnned on)
4) all speakers calibrated at "0" except surrounds are at +5 . What do you have?
5) logic 7 sounds incredible!
6) manual and remote is terrible!
7) are you using 14 gauge speaker wire like me?
8) I have my distances for all speakers at 15 feet, even when I am siiting closer. I experimented with this for a long time. This sounds the best. What do you have?

Thanks and I am looking forward to hearing your results.

1) SVS PB10-ISD. It was all the better of a sub that I could afford when I got it a couple years ago. I've definately got the "upgrade bug" for a new sub, but trying to be patient since there are more important things to concentrate on first. Not to say that it's not a great sub, it is. It's just really weak on the ultra low tones because it's in a 3500 sq ft room.

2) I was running my Pioneer VSX-1014TX with no equalixer for a while. My room needed "treated" badly as there is wood paneling on the walls and no carpet. So running the MCACC sounded different, but not a major improvement. In my setup, I thought, and preferred, no EQ to the MCACC. I've got the theater all torn apart right now to rearrange things, put in some sound treatments, and recalibrate everything. Also getting ready to buy a new projector. So I'm confident that it will sound incredible once everything is back in place. I will then run the MCACC again to see how it sounds. I think it will probably sound better this time.

3) When I had everything in place, I would mostly prefer 80hz all around. I so wanted to take more advantage of the full range of the E100s, but when output at full range (large), they just got too boomy on bass-heavy soundtracks. Again, this may change with my new setup, so we'll see.

4) I did have my surrounds cranked up higher than my fronts. I think this is most certainly personal preferance that we like the surrounds a little louder than normal.

5) Ditto.

6) Don't have the HK.

7) 12awg

8)I have my speaker distance settings set to the exact measurements from the speaker to the prime listening position. Sounds good that way.

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With all due respect to you filecat13,

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Ragarding to the BI-WIRING stuff, with all due respect,


What are you guys, twins?

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Of course, we believe what we want, but not all things in life are "yes" or "no" propositions, even in the world of science. In the fusion of art and science that we call audio there are a lot of "maybes."

Even among JBL fans, there's lots of variety in speaker choices, system configurations, source material, etc. Like you, I doubt that the L820 is going to benefit from simple bi-wiring, but since I've never tried it I'm not in a position to say. Those of you who have tried bi-wiring or passively bi-amping the L820 of course should speak up.

I passively bi-amped a pair of E50s for the sake of evaluating JBL's practice of putting that second pair of speaker posts on just about everything, and I think they could have saved the money or put one pair of slightly better quality posts on instead.

OTOH, bi-wiring a pair of L7s according to JBL's prescribed methodology can produce an easily discernible improvement to these fine towers. It is not only an auditory improvement, but a measurable improvement as well.

If you guys ever get to LA, you're welcome to come by and see and hear for yourselves. We'll hook up the AE1000 or the AS2000 with a calibrated mic and run it through AudioXplorer or another program of your choice on a laptop and track the changes. We'll even hook up a test meter if you'd like and check what's happening in the wires. Plus, you can actually listen and decide for yourselves.

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Ya I tried bi-amping my E50s also, and although it was hours between when they were heard single amped and when they were bi-amped, I couldn't here too much difference (and no, I did not put an spl meter too them). So, I decided that was not worth the money and went back to single amping them. The E100s do sound a bit better being bi-amped, but not in the budget' for me right now to put more amps to them.

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Filecat,

"with all due respect", we're not twins at all (well, to be honest, that's what I believe, but who knows anyway??)

Hi Smarty,

it seems to be kinda heavy burden being a gent these days, no??

Bottom line is: "with all due respect" have a nice weekend though

Regards, Chuck (The Twin??)

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I am in the market for some new speakers because I feel it is time to move on from Klipsch. I was a huge JBL fan in the late 80's early 90's. I have a set of XPL 200's which were some of the best sounding speakers I have heard in my life. Unforutnately, they dont integrate well into a HT setup. What JBL product lines do you guys recommend? Listening is 60% TV/Movies, 35% Gaming, and 5% music. Receiver is a Yamaha RX V3800.

Thanks in advance....

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Chris, I actually moved from Klipsch to JBL. I worried that it would be a downgrade just based on price, but actually I am quite a bit happier with my JBL speakers than I ever really was with the Klipsch. For Klipsch speakers, I bought the Synergy series back when you still had to go to botique shops to get them. I had SF2 for the mains, SC 1 for the center and SB 1 for the rears, mated with an SVs sub. I do miss the sub.. but...

For Jbl speakers, I have E30 for the mains, E35 for the center, E10's for the sides and E20's behind me with the 250 Sub. The sub is my weak link but I was renting ( with neighbors on one side) when I picked it up. It's not a bad sub and I have been happy with it, but now that I can really let loose it no longer provides for my needs. I'm thinking of going IB in the near future.

My listening habits are a pretty even split between music and movies. I don't really have a chance to just sit and listen to music though, I just turn it on and turn it up when I am getting ready in the mornings. I usually have about 2 hours to myself every day so I play quite a bit of music that nobody else really cares for. I usually set my Onkyo to "All channel stereo" and just let it go. It sounds wonderful the way I have it set up.

As for movies, when it is set up correctly, it really just sounds like one giant speaker, you can't tell where the stuff is coming from.. and that was my goal.

Pick up some JBL stuff, I don't think you will be sorry.
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Filecat,

"with all due respect", we're not twins at all (well, to be honest, that's what I believe, but who knows anyway??)

Hi Smarty,

it seems to be kinda heavy burden being a gent these days, no??

Bottom line is: "with all due respect" have a nice weekend though

Regards, Chuck (The Twin??)

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Hi Smarty,

just not quite like that, as a matter of fact, BUT...

I'LL BE BACK!!

Have a nice one

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I see all these threads about speaker shoot outs, are JBL speakers "that much below" the Botique speakers everyone talks about, or do they not know what great sound is?

I've listened to a lot of speakers and I always come back to JBL.

I figure if the director/engineer used them to mix the sound, there probably a good choice for me too.

I would rather hear a bad audio mix as it was intended then a great audio mix incorrectly.

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I would rather hear a bad audio mix as it was intended then a great audio mix incorrectly.

Yes indeedy. Ditto.
Not that I like hearing bad soundtracks, but the GOAL is accuracy, and that means a lot (to me).

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I see all these threads about speaker shoot outs, are JBL speakers "that much below" the Botique speakers everyone talks about, or do they not know what great sound is?

I've listened to a lot of speakers and I always come back to JBL.

I figure if the director/engineer used them to mix the sound, there probably a good choice for me too.

I would rather hear a bad audio mix as it was intended then a great audio mix incorrectly.

Some people on this forum think that all ID brands are better and a better price. And JBLs aren't cheap, unless you find a really good internet deal.
Most of those people have never heard JBLs other than the cheapest series sold in BB.
Most JBLs, that are not sold in BB would blow away anything in the Magnolia corner of BB.
I don't think I've ever heard a speaker system, so good, that there wasn't at least one JBL series that I thought was better.
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Some people on this forum think that all ID brands are better and a better price. And JBLs aren't cheap, unless you find a really good internet deal.
Most of those people have never heard JBLs other than the cheapest series sold in BB.
Most JBLs, that are not sold in BB would blow away anything in the Magnolia corner of BB.
I don't think I've ever heard a speaker system, so good, that there wasn't at least one JBL series that I thought was better.

Isn't it more about what a person thinks is a "good sound"? IMHO, the real value of JBL is that they have no "sound" at all. People "learn" a certain flavor of sound from a speaker and look to duplicate their memory of that. Some like boomy bass and some like sharp highs, etc., etc. JBL takes the time to create speakers that reproduce an even and flat response curve all across the range, and do it at a wide angle from the center of the speaker. In short, they try to do what a speaker is supposed to do, which is reproduce the sound as it was created.
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The Academy of Motion Pictures and the Academy of Television theaters both run JBL speakers, as does about 60% of all theaters in the US, according to JBL.

I suspect it's the pro stuff that pays their bills, but I've never heard a JBL speaker that sounded bad. They don't seem to market to the home audience as much as some other companies and maybe that has a lot to do with it. Without all the hype, their "cool" factor is lower.
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Sry i didnt read threw all the pages, But i bought my speaker aetup about 8 months ago and i have all jbl venue series with the voice as center channel and two monitors for rear and two stadium(the one with the two 8"s in each stand). I have been very happy with this setup running it from the Yamaha htr-5890 receiver. But does anyone else feel that the voice speaker is kinda weak for what its purpose it? or do i maybe have it setup wrong? It just seems to never have pushed that hard and kept making my reciever shut off cause it couldnt take the power. But for the other 4 speakers i love them. Whats the opinion of them compared to todays speakers in that price range i paid about 1400 for all of it.

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First of all since this is my first post I'd like to state that I've been using a really old HTiB by Philips for probably a good 10 years now or so and I've finally decided that it is time to upgrade the system.

I am basically piecing this system together slowly over time as money permits. My receiver that I recently picked up is an Onkyo TX SR605 and I just purchased a pair of JBL Venue Series Arenas and the Venue Series Voice for my front and center speakers.

For the time being I plan on using my existing Philips rear speakers and sub until I both have the money and am sure as to what I want for those components.

So with that said I have a few questions.

1) What would be a good sub for this system? I was looking at the JBL Venue Series Sub 10 and Sub 12 was wondering if the Sub 12 was worth the extra cost over the Sub 10 (it is almost double the price looking at amazon.com). Or is there another sub by a different manufacturer that would be better suited for me at or around the same price? (Less than $500)

2) What would be best suited for the surround speakers for this system? Recommendations with prices would be very helpful.

3) Is there a very noticeable difference if I were to go with the rear surround speakers making it the 7.1 rather than 5.1? And if so what speakers would you recommend for the rear surround?

4) Since I still have the original wiring from the old HTiB what kind of wiring should I go with and what is the best place to buy speaker wiring from?

Thanks for any help that you might be able to offer. It is greatly appreciated.
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Sry i didnt read threw all the pages, But i bought my speaker aetup about 8 months ago and i have all jbl venue series with the voice as center channel and two monitors for rear and two stadium(the one with the two 8"s in each stand). I have been very happy with this setup running it from the Yamaha htr-5890 receiver. But does anyone else feel that the voice speaker is kinda weak for what its purpose it? or do i maybe have it setup wrong? It just seems to never have pushed that hard and kept making my reciever shut off cause it couldnt take the power. But for the other 4 speakers i love them. Whats the opinion of them compared to todays speakers in that price range i paid about 1400 for all of it.

thanks, steve

I run the same setup, but with a SUB12 and 4 Monitors (7.1) and am driving it with a Yamaha RX-V1800. No problems with the Voice center; works fine. My only complaint with the Voice is the plastic enclosure.

They're great speakers for the money, I love them. Paid about $900 just for the speakers.
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First of all since this is my first post I'd like to state that I've been using a really old HTiB by Philips for probably a good 10 years now or so and I've finally decided that it is time to upgrade the system.

I am basically piecing this system together slowly over time as money permits. My receiver that I recently picked up is an Onkyo TX SR605 and I just purchased a pair of JBL Venue Series Arenas and the Venue Series Voice for my front and center speakers.

For the time being I plan on using my existing Philips rear speakers and sub until I both have the money and am sure as to what I want for those components.

So with that said I have a few questions.

1) What would be a good sub for this system? I was looking at the JBL Venue Series Sub 10 and Sub 12 was wondering if the Sub 12 was worth the extra cost over the Sub 10 (it is almost double the price looking at amazon.com). Or is there another sub by a different manufacturer that would be better suited for me at or around the same price? (Less than $500)

The SUB12 is a great box for this system, but you'll probably be happy with the 10 as well. Shop around -- Amazon's price on the SUB12 is out of line (high). There are a number of reputable online dealers selling it for $229 shipped. B&H, J&R, etc.

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2) What would be best suited for the surround speakers for this system? Recommendations with prices would be very helpful.

I went with the Monitors for surrounds -- they sound great. You might also just consider another pair of Arenas for surround. They're not much more expensive than the Monitors if you have the space for them. I went with the Monitors due to size considerations -- the Arenas are a little too big for ceiling mounting.

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3) Is there a very noticeable difference if I were to go with the rear surround speakers making it the 7.1 rather than 5.1? And if so what speakers would you recommend for the rear surround?

Not sure on this one (yet). I installed the rear surrounds (another pair of Monitors) just a week or two ago and haven't had the chance to really test them yet. From what I'm hearing so far, the difference is somewhat minimal. Very noticeable? Not that I'm hearing.

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4) Since I still have the original wiring from the old HTiB what kind of wiring should I go with and what is the best place to buy speaker wiring from?

You'll get a LOT of heated opinions on this one. My advice? Use commonly available 16 or 14 gauge speaker wire from Lowe's, Home Depot, etc. Your HTiB wire is probably thinner than this and you'd be better off replacing it.
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2) What would be best suited for the surround speakers for this system? Recommendations with prices would be very helpful.

3) Is there a very noticeable difference if I were to go with the rear surround speakers making it the 7.1 rather than 5.1? And if so what speakers would you recommend for the rear surround?

4) Since I still have the original wiring from the old HTiB what kind of wiring should I go with and what is the best place to buy speaker wiring from?

Thanks for any help that you might be able to offer. It is greatly appreciated.

If I were using bookshelf speakers for mains I'd use the same model for all the surround channels too. Which is what I do now, and I'm not using bookshelf size speakers.
As for 5 or 7 channels it depends on the soundtrack. The difference can be huge with movies like Twister, Top Gun, The Haunting, for instants. Other movies will be less noticable.
But you do get a more enveloping surround with 7 channels.
Use at least 14ga speaker wire.
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