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post #11401 of 15295 Old 05-22-2011, 02:42 PM
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Found a set of S38s in black on craigslist. He's only asking $100 and they look to be in good shape. Seems like a fair price. Would these be worth getting to replace my N38s as my front L&R? I currently have an s center II for the CC.

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Found a set of S38s in black on craigslist. He's only asking $100 and they look to be in good shape. Seems like a fair price. Would these be worth getting to replace my N38s as my front L&R? I currently have an s center II for the CC.

A hundred bucks is a good price for a pair of S38's. As to whether they'll sound noticeably better than the N38's I'm not sure... But the S-Center ans S-38 were from the same series so they will match timbre perfectly.

You could always buy them and try them out. You'll have no trouble selling them for what you paid, or even making some money on them!
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Found a set of S38s in black on craigslist. He's only asking $100 and they look to be in good shape. Seems like a fair price. Would these be worth getting to replace my N38s as my front L&R? I currently have an s center II for the CC.

Yes. Run, don't walk, and grab those.
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Look here:

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...ing#post278952

Slare's post is 1366. My rimshot is 1372.

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It's the plate that's turned around, the wiring is fine. You just have to be sure that red goes to red on the PT800. IOW, the docking straps can't be used if the plate is bassackwards.

Thanks guys. That's simple enough.
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Has anyone looked on Harman audio lately? Either the main store or ebay.
They're getting so cheap they don't even show a specs page for most, if not all models.
And those new Studio series, looks like something I would not even want in the trunk of a car, talk about about butt ugly.
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Hi, I wanted some opinions on JBL CSB6 bookshelf speakers to add to my system. I currently have a Denon AVR-891 with Energy CB-20's as fronts. Looking to add surrounds.

I can get the CSB6 for $199 Canadian. What are these like and will they 'fit' with my current system.

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Hi, I wanted some opinions on JBL CSB6 bookshelf speakers to add to my system. I currently have a Denon AVR-891 with Energy CB-20's as fronts. Looking to add surrounds.

I can get the CSB6 for $199 Canadian. What are these like and will they 'fit' with my current system.

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Canadian speakers are very similar to JBL as to their timbre. That would be due to Floyd Toole being associated with both Harman and the NRCC.
But that said, as you have Energy speakers, I would stay with Energy.
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Has anyone looked on Harman audio lately? Either the main store or ebay.
They're getting so cheap they don't even show a specs page for most, if not all models.
And those new Studio series, looks like something I would not even want in the trunk of a car, talk about about butt ugly.

John, you're just not on the cutting edge of windmill inspired design. It does suck that they gutted half the information the site used to have.

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John, you're just not on the cutting edge of windmill inspired design. It does suck that they gutted half the information the site used to have.

Would you rather listen to, look at this:...................................................... Or this:

I know which I'd rather have!
The ones on the left are sold in Japan. The one on the right, they should not be sold anywhere.
I'm quite certain my daughter would not trade her L890s for that Studio180.
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as you have energy speakers, i would stay with energy.

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I betcha there are people out there that prefer the windmill styling over those old blue monsters. I'm not one of them, but I bet they are out there.

I'm hoping this windmill series represents the bottom of the curve for JBL... Harman seems to be picking up in the marketing department, maybe that department will wise up and realize what JBL people want before it is too late.

Something styled like the Japan LS series, but using the PS series driver arrangement would find a place in my home. So basically, Revels without the price. That would be just fine by me.
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I betcha there are people out there that prefer the windmill styling over those old blue monsters. I'm not one of them, but I bet they are out there.

I'm hoping this windmill series represents the bottom of the curve for JBL... Harman seems to be picking up in the marketing department, maybe that department will wise up and realize what JBL people want before it is too late.

Something styled like the Japan LS series, but using the PS series driver arrangement would find a place in my home. So basically, Revels without the price. That would be just fine by me.

I don't see marketing picking up. It seems the only thing Harman is doing of late is having continual online clearance sales. And as I mentioned yesterday, many of the models they show there are no specs at all. Which is not going to help anyone looking for speakers who doesn't know anything about JBL brand.

As many of us JBL heads have said this past decade, JBL/Harman really dropped the ball on marketing the PS. Having them being sold by Synthesis dealers certainly did not work. Due to the fact most of those dealers were only interested in selling HT packages of at least $20K, 5 channel PS is less than $10K.

And after JBL dropped CC in favor of BB a dozen years ago, give or take, it was all down hill. The last high end JBL I saw in NW Nevada was the 250Ti at CC back in '88. The only place in Nevada that had the PS was Tweeters in LV, before they went out of business. And that might have been online sales only, at that.

And Fry's dropped the Studio L series after the cheaper models came out. That is where I bought a pair of L890, in Sac. Ca. in '06.

Those monitors I showed were in Japan, along with at least 3 other monitors I saw/auditioned when I was there last year. And a pair of Everest II. None of those monitors are available in the US.
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Would you rather listen to, look at this:...................................................... Or this:

I know which I'd rather have!
The ones on the left are sold in Japan. The one on the right, they should not be sold anywhere.
I'm quite certain my daughter would not trade her L890s for that Studio180.

That 4" midrange looks familiar.
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That 4" midrange looks familiar.

That model is the 4319, with Al-Mg tweeter/midrange. So its not the same as the 4" Ti in PS.
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Something styled like the Japan LS series, but using the PS series driver arrangement would find a place in my home. So basically, Revels without the price. That would be just fine by me.

FYI, you can get the LS series here in the US through JBL Synthesis dealers. Last place I called was ~$750 each for LS40's and an LS center.
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That model is the 4319, with Al-Mg tweeter/midrange. So its not the same as the 4" Ti in PS.

I guess I should have looked it up. The specs also say that it is 5" not 4" and the MSRP is $5900 per pair. I had 4311s in the 70s. If these are an improvement I'd really like to hear them.
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I guess I should have looked it up. The specs also say that it is 5" not 4" and the MSRP is $5900 per pair. I had 4311s in the 70s. If these are an improvement I'd really like to hear them.

I auditioned the 4319, 4429, 4305H. All quite good, although the 4305H was bass shy as it has a 200mm(7.8")woofer. The other two are 12" bass.
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Speaking of 43**, has anyone heard these?

http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_br...Number=4312SXR

The specifications & parts list are showing "not available" on the Harman site.
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Speaking of 43**, has anyone heard these?

http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_br...Number=4312SXR

The specifications & parts list are showing "not available" on the Harman site.

Never heard them, I do like they have the inverted dome mid, and are mirror imaged.

But the specs missing seems to be the new thing from Harman, ever since they shut down Northridge.
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Here is the latest from Harman as to the tweeter:

The Part # is: 361194-001
The price is $ 33.20, plus shipping and handling (For U.S. orders only).

I sent an e-mail asking if this was the original Audax tweeter. They replied that it was a replacement and attached the PT800 Tech Manual. The tweeter part number in the Tech Manual is 335663-001.
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I sent an e-mail asking if this was the original Audax tweeter. They replied that it was a replacement and attached the PT800 Tech Manual. The tweeter part number in the Tech Manual is 335663-001.

Considering the original tweeter was over $56, if the replacement can perform as well, it's quite a deal.

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Considering the original tweeter was over $56, if the replacement can perform as well, it's quite a deal.

When you compare any of those PS tweeters to older tweeters, there is not much to them. They barely even move the needle on a scale, where the old 066 was both huge and quite heavy.
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When you compare any of those PS tweeters to older tweeters, there is not much to them. They barely even move the needle on a scale, where the old 066 was both huge and quite heavy.

You forgot to add two things: where the old, inferior, costlier 066 was both huge and quite heavy.

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You forgot to add two things: where the old, inferior, costlier 066 was both huge and quite heavy.

No doubt costlier. JBL made mention the 066 was the most expensive tweeter they ever made, due to the way they deposited the Al particles on the substate base of the dome. And it was the best tweeter they had at the time, until they started using Ti in the mid '80s.

On one of the original 066s I had, after about 16 years or so, the Al particles actually wore off the linen base.

The reason they stopped making them is the bombarder machine blew up, that was used to deposit the Al particles. Afterwards I've since read the Al was painted on the linen for the last run or so.
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That model is the 4319, with Al-Mg tweeter/midrange. So its not the same as the 4" Ti in PS.

whereas this much cheaper offering has the 904Ti from the PS, AND the 025 tweeter from the TiK. Those are some pretty expensive drivers for this to have an MSRP less than the standard 4312 on the same page, not sure the reasoning there?
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whereas this much cheaper offering has the 904Ti from the PS, AND the 025 tweeter from the TiK. Those are some pretty expensive drivers for this to have an MSRP less than the standard 4312 on the same page, not sure the reasoning there?

here's the link where I found the driver reference
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here's the link where I found the driver reference

Thanks for the link. The Harman site wasn't much help.
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I wouldn't mind 2 more PS1400's at a crazy low price.

This is OT but thought I'd share because it's cool.

Tammy got me a Cajon for our Anniversary last Thursday. Her co-worker who made it is a good artist so I gave him a couple of pictures of our dog D'Argo and asked if he could draw him with headphones on. I think he did a great job and exceeded my expectations. It sounds good as well.

Here is a clip of how it sounded the other night at a party we had. He does some cool stuff with it. http://vimeo.com/24377179

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