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I got my Venue Stadiums (think 3-way L880) for about $150/ea about 2.5 years ago on Amazon. They were being clearanced out on most sites about that time. Not saying the Venue is better, just providing price info.

IIRC the Venue series was just the name of JBL's entry line 3-4 years ago same as the N series, E series and now ES

I believe Venue fit the time between N series and E series
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$599 each on amazon, are they worth that kind of money though, or is there a better speaker out there for the price.

When Harman eBay gets around to selling some, the L890 can easily be had for that price. Requires patience and willingness to buy one at a time. Used to be they went for $300-350, hard to say what it might be today.
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I guess a better question is, are the L880's worth $1200 for the pair?

The answer to this question is a heavily caveated "yes." They are well worth that in sound reproduction (IMO). Do you have to pay that much to get them? No.

They're currently selling for $399 ea. on J&R's website. I got mine off harmanaudio's ebay store for $150 ea., but that was quite a while ago and very closely following the holiday season when they sometimes have a glut of overstock.

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IIRC the Venue series was just the name of JBL's entry line 3-4 years ago same as the N series, E series and now ES

I believe Venue fit the time between N series and E series

take it back! they sound far from entry level

honestly though they match up well with the LC2
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take it back! they sound far from entry level

No, they sound far from "Cheap".

But they do happen to be JBL's entry level of speakers, the same as my entire front setup of E80's and EC35, and the current ES series.
JBL's entry level of stuff just happens to be quite good.

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honestly though they match up well with the LC2

All of JBL's lower stuff (i.e. not premium lines) seem very tonally very similar.
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In the interest of accuracy, JBL has made some really horrible "entry level" speakers. Case in point are the several model lines sold at Circuit City and BB in the 90s which quickly faded into obscurity. The N, S, E and ES lines look like high-end speakers in comparison.
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All of JBL's lower stuff (i.e. not premium lines) seem very tonally very similar.

Over the last decade, most of those used the same or at least similar drivers/tweeters.
The Studio L series are all polyplas drivers & pure Ti tweeters
Whereas the E, N, ES uses polyplas & Ti laminate tweeters
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in case anyone is interested JR has their complete studio L series on sale

L880 $399
L890 $409!
LC2 $299

I am going to return the LC2 (and buy one from JR) i just got used from amazon becuase one of the pegs is broken and its a bit scratched up, far from the "like new" advertised condition. I was going to keep it until i stumbled upon JR's sales. They also have free shipping on orders over $250
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They're currently selling for $399 ea. on J&R's website. I got mine off harmanaudio's ebay store for $150 ea., but that was quite a while ago and very closely following the holiday season when they sometimes have a glut of overstock.

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in case anyone is interested JR has their complete studio L series on sale

L880 $399
L890 $409!
LC2 $299

I am going to return the LC2 (and buy one from JR) i just got used from amazon becuase one of the pegs is broken and its a bit scratched up, far from the "like new" advertised condition. I was going to keep it until i stumbled upon JR's sales. They also have free shipping on orders over $250

Glad you stumbled upon it.

BTW, those prices are the same they have been for two years. It's not really a sale, but they are and have been the lowest available prices for L in the last two years (barring one month or so when Meijer of all places had some black L's for lower prices).

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I was all ready for these sales to end and then they just disappeared. I guess the prices were not high enough for Harmon. I've not seen them do this before.


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I was all ready for these sales to end and then they just disappeared. I guess the prices were not high enough for Harmon. I've not seen them do this before.

Your watched item has been relisted. Don't let it slip away this time.

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Harmon does that all of the time
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I was all ready for these sales to end and then they just disappeared. I guess the prices were not high enough for Harmon. I've not seen them do this before.


Your watched item has been relisted. Don't let it slip away this time.

JBL PC600BLK 3-Way, Dual 6" Center Speaker
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I was watching these as well. There were two PS1400s in the original run.

I see they put the second PS1400 back up.
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Picked up a pair of E90's for a good price. I know the rule is set to small when 6" or smaller and large over 6". Can anyone comment on the E90's. Listening to them now set to large...not much different than the E80's I took to the other room.

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Picked up a pair of E90's for a good price. I know the rule is set to small when 6" or smaller and large over 6". Can anyone comment on the E90's. Listening to them now set to large...not much different than the E80's I took to the other room.

Cheers

When using a sub, the normal xo is @ 80 htz. But I have run speakers full range + sub, at times, or gone with a lower xo. Just go by what YOU thinks sound best in your room.

The E80/90 is like comparing L880/890. There will be a slight difference. Not like running a pair of Revel Salon2 w/ three 8" drivers, down to 23 htz.
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Kind of depends on what sub(s) one has also. Some subs aren't much better than the E90 is at LF.
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Picked up a pair of E90's for a good price. I know the rule is set to small when 6" or smaller and large over 6". Can anyone comment on the E90's. Listening to them now set to large...not much different than the E80's I took to the other room.

Cheers

I run my EC90's as small at 60 HZ and find that pleasing to me where I have a fuller sound from the fronts.
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I run my EC90's as small at 60 HZ and find that pleasing to me where I have a fuller sound from the fronts.

That's the advantage of running towers with dual 8", or even dual 6", compared to using a pair of L820 for mains crossed @ 80 to the sub.

The L820s/subs will be a good system, but the towers will give more in the upper bass region.
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Using the L880 mains/L8400P x2/LC2/L820 side and rear setup for couple of years now and brings a smile every time it's on! The L880s and LC2 blend very well. Clean and clear.
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Using the L880 mains/L8400P x2/LC2/L820 side and rear setup for couple of years now and brings a smile every time it's on! The L880s and LC2 blend very well. Clean and clear.
As it should be, with all those models using the same drivers, and basically same xos. The only way it gets better is identical speakers all around.
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thinking about returning the marantz 6005 and getting an onkyo nr709 instead, i just don’t like the marantz, the remote is very confusing and hard to use, and as hard as I’ve tried i cant get the bass response from the sub anywhere close to what i had with my RC180


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After talking to the guy at A4L he talked me into sticking with the marantz for now. He feels it will be a huge downgrade going to the 709
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thinking about returning the marantz 6005 and getting an onkyo nr709 instead, i just don't like the marantz, the remote is very confusing and hard to use, and as hard as I've tried i cant get the bass response from the sub anywhere close to what i had with my RC180


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After talking to the guy at A4L he talked me into sticking with the marantz for now. He feels it will be a huge downgrade going to the 709
I would agree with him, I never had any problem with producing bass from my Marantz 880.
A few posts back you said you got the bass to your liking. If you still don't have enough bass, either turn up the volume control on the sub, and/or increase the bass output in the Marantz. or find a better location for the sub, it might be sitting in a lull.
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I would agree with him, I never had any problem with producing bass from my Marantz 880.
A few posts back you said you got the bass to your liking. If you still don't have enough bass, either turn up the volume control on the sub, and/or increase the bass output in the Marantz. or find a better location for the sub, it might be sitting in a lull.
I did..then I got the LC2 and re-audyssed and lost it again.

and..

Is it just me or does Dynamic volume do funny things to dialog during movies?
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Is it just me or does Dynamic volume do funny things to dialog during movies?

It's supposed to do funny things to all channels. Best to leave that off if you want accurate sound. Dynamic range compression is yucky stuff.
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Dynamic volume/eq feature gives a huge bass boost at low volume. Onkyo's have a "double bass" setting where bass can be sent to both your speakers and your sub. Denon's call it "LFE+MAIN" but it only applies if you use a low or full range setting for your fronts.

I suggest setting fronts as low as they will go, and never using this double bass setting.

If you were using both settings you could be used to greatly exaggerated bass.

So long as Audyssey is calibrating within the +/- settings of your AVR, the cal is probably right. You should only make adjustments if Audssey sets your sub up against a limit (all the way max or min) because that means you are so far off Audyssey can't correct to nominal within the AVR's adjustment range.

Denon's have adjustable levels of dynamic eq, I find the lowest setting to be useful for night/low volume use, medium and high are almost ridiculous and I never use them.

Some people prefer a little ~3-6db bump after... but I suggest you try it for awhile. After some time you will recalibrate and come to realize everything sounds much more natural, and the strong LFE will still be there when the movie is really supposed to have it.

Strictly non-audophile terms, I have never heard a friend's system that was not running the subs some 6-10db hot. It is a very common mistake.
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Dynamic volume/eq feature gives a huge bass boost at low volume. Onkyo's have a "double bass" setting where bass can be sent to both your speakers and your sub. Denon's call it "LFE+MAIN" but it only applies if you use a low or full range setting for your fronts.
Onkyo is not the only brand that has that option. My old HK 635, I could send bass to both the mains and the subs.
I ran that 635 every way possible during those 6 years.

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Some people prefer a little ~3-6db bump after... but I suggest you try it for awhile. After some time you will recalibrate and come to realize everything sounds much more natural, and the strong LFE will still be there when the movie is really supposed to have it.
When listening to music, from a band you've heard live, to get to as close as you can to the concert you will usually need all of that boost.
One thing I really like about my P7 pre-amp is I can have the bass set independent for both stereo and MCM playback, much like some avrs.

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Strictly non-audophile terms, I have never heard a friend's system that was not running the subs some 6-10db hot. It is a very common mistake.
Its not a mistake if that is how a person likes listening to music.
Sometimes, like right now, I have everything flat, with all trim adjustments off. Listening to Eric Clapton in 6 channel. And still plenty of bass.
Other times I'll have both the treble and bass a few db hot. Kinda depends on the recording, too.
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I don't know if this is a better place to ask this but I would like to know. Thought that maybe someone that knows JBL speakers would be reading this.



There is something that is really strange but I just think they measured them differenly on same type woofers but the JBL Control 1X says they are 4in woofers and the ones I have are 5.25". Now I did actualy before own the JBL Control 1Xtreme Or Control 1X and they are exactly the same size woofers as my current JBL Control 1 that says they are 5.25". I do see that if I just measure the whole frame of the speakers then it's 5.25" but if I measure the inner part it's only 4in. Both use same drivers apparently but just measured differenly but does this happen alot with other speakers with same models? Basicly all of the Control 1 series like the Control 1X, Control 1, Control 1 Pro, etc have same size woofers. But for somereason the comsumer version like the Control 1X or Control ONE measures the inner part.
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I don't know if this is a better place to ask this but I would like to know. Thought that maybe someone that knows JBL speakers would be reading this.



There is something that is really strange but I just think they measured them differenly on same type woofers but the JBL Control 1X says they are 4in woofers and the ones I have are 5.25". Now I did actualy before own the JBL Control 1Xtreme Or Control 1X and they are exactly the same size woofers as my current JBL Control 1 that says they are 5.25". I do see that if I just measure the whole frame of the speakers then it's 5.25" but if I measure the inner part it's only 4in. Both use same drivers apparently but just measured differenly but does this happen alot with other speakers with same models? Basicly all of the Control 1 series like the Control 1X, Control 1, Control 1 Pro, etc have same size woofers. But for somereason the comsumer version like the Control 1X or Control ONE measures the inner part.

Back in the '50~'80s, at least, JBL, and maybe other manufacturers measured across the frames.

My '77 L212's mid-bass driver is 8" measured across the corners of the frame, but the cone is really only 7".
In contrast, the PT800 mid-bass is actually 9" diameter measured to the outside of frame, and 7.5" cone.
But the 4" midrange driver is 4" across the cone.

So driver dimension may actual, or only be nominal.
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However I ended up with it set now is pretty near perfect. The bass is good and strong from all sources (wife was complaining she could hear it while showering across the house)

The marantz has the LEF+Main option as well but i have the mains set to small anyway.

Audyssee auto sets my sub to +1 so I think the onboard volume is set to a good spot. Actually contrary to the Onkyo all of the speakers only have + or - 1-3 db changes on the onkyo the center would always get set to ~ -8 and -4 for the mains..not really sure what that means...
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Who got the PS1400's? The one yesterday went for less then $500.

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Who got the PS1400's? The one yesterday went for less then $500.

Harman ended the auction. It says 0 bids and no buyer listed.
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