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post #12841 of 15317 Old 04-15-2012, 11:33 AM
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There's at least one dedicated thread around here for people using JBL Pro gear in HT settings, and this system is in there. People report that it takes surprisingly little power to drive the pro setups in a HT room.

There are a few of us. My system isn't too far off of that one pictured. I do have a 5749 along with three 4622's.
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Ok, I'm asking here instead of elsewhere specifically since I own a pair of S312s used as my fronts in a 5.1 system (minus the .1 since I don't have a SW) and my L/R for 2ch music.

I just recieved an email for a 40% coupon off speakers at a certain online store (think eggs). Now they don't carry any JBL Studios I want, but they do carry a few subs from Definitive Technology so I can get their SuperCube 2000 for $359 shipped free.

Now I'm not sure if I will gain anything for the 2ch music, but I would obviously for the 5.1 movies, no? I have my receiver set for no sub so it should be sending all (80 Hz and below) LF to my fronts. Does that include the LFE track?

Anyone here ever hear the SuperCubes? Any other suggestions/concerns?
Thanks!
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Ok, I'm asking here instead of elsewhere specifically since I own a pair of S312s used as my fronts in a 5.1 system (minus the .1 since I don't have a SW) and my L/R for 2ch music.

I just recieved an email for a 40% coupon off speakers at a certain online store (think eggs). Now they don't carry any JBL Studios I want, but they do carry a few subs from Definitive Technology so I can get their SuperCube 2000 for $359 shipped free.

Now I'm not sure if I will gain anything for the 2ch music, but I would obviously for the 5.1 movies, no? I have my receiver set for no sub so it should be sending all (80 Hz and below) LF to my fronts. Does that include the LFE track?

Anyone here ever hear the SuperCubes? Any other suggestions/concerns?
Thanks!

The S312 is very strong above 40Hz, but drops off quickly below that. So a sub isn't a bad idea. However for 2-ch music you'll find relatively little sound below 40Hz on most recordings. But a sub has other benefits, like reducing the load on your amp by diverting VLF content to the sub - which leaves more power and slightly cleaner sound above the crossover point.

There's a whole forum dedicated to subs here, you will likely find user reports on those subs in there. Keep in mind that a sub will generally excel at either music or movies, but usually not both, so there are trade-offs to be made. No where is that more true than in the budget-priced subs.

It's also true that an 8" - 10" sub is not likely to offer you much, and you might gain more by simply feeding the S312 more power.
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I combined my S312s with the JBL PB12. Because I felt that the PB12 plus S312 did not have much more bass (for HT) than the S312 alone, I replaced the PB12 with a 15" subwoofer with significant output between 20 Hz and 30 Hz.

Many of the subwoofers in the $500+ range are quite good for both music and HT. In smaller rooms, the Hsu STF-2 (<$400) is considered good for both music and HT.
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Ok guys, thanks for the info and tips. I did some more reading in the Sub forums here and at another place (HTS) and might take a wack at a 12" to 15" DIY kit. I have the recources (co-workers) who can build the cabinet for me and it looks like I can get a nice kit tuned low from CSS. Thanks again!
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I combined my S312s with the JBL PB12. Because I felt that the PB12 plus S312 did not have much more bass (for HT) than the S312 alone, I replaced the PB12 with a 15" subwoofer with significant output between 20 Hz and 30 Hz.

Many of the subwoofers in the $500+ range are quite good for both music and HT. In smaller rooms, the Hsu STF-2 (<$400) is considered good for both music and HT.

I had that same sub (PB12). At the time I had 5 subs, two B212, two SUB1500 and the PB12. I only used the PB12 for LFE duty. It did not stand a chance as being good for anything else, compared to the other subs. Certainly not for music.
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You know, I am compelled to say, if you think some other brand is going to give you what you're longing for, shove that temptation aside. Seriously, JBL has you covered. (Listening to Beatles: "Love" on JBL Performance Series)

At every price point, JBL has you covered.

What I can afford, when I can afford it...
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I agree...JBL has you covered. Also look at used JBL's. Some of the old JBL's seem to last forever and reconing some of the others is not expensive. Follow the advise on these pages and look for the recommended ones. There was a period when JBL jumped on the mass-marketing bandwagon and made some inferior products. The brand alone does not guarantee you a superior product. Pick your spots.
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I have JBL L-100's, EC35 center, Polk SVS505 sub and Cambridge Soundworks rurrounds, mounted high and about even with my seating position. I figure the Cambridge are probably my weakest link at this point, no? Thinking of replacing them with a similar JBL product. I don't want a big bulky speaker hanging from my wall. Any suggestions? I don't want to spend a lot of money on the LC series (LC2's). Would like to buy used.

My room is small, about 20'wide by 12" deep. It opens to both the dining room and the living room.

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I have JBL L-100's, EC35 center, Polk SVS505 sub and Cambridge Soundworks rurrounds, mounted high and about even with my seating position. I figure the Cambridge are probably my weakest link at this point, no? Thinking of replacing them with a similar JBL product. I don't want a big bulky speaker hanging from my wall. Any suggestions? I don't want to spend a lot of money on the LC series (LC2's). Would like to buy used.

My room is small, about 20'wide by 12" deep. It opens to both the dining room and the living room.

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Well as for wall mount JBLs there is the Studio Ls (L810, L820, LC2) the 810 is the smallest; ES10; CSB6 ($99/pr). I think there is also an E, N series wall mount.
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I'm looking at the L810, ES10BK and S36II. Any recommendations on those, one over the others?

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My suggestion would to chain one of these to each ankle to help maintain footing:


Heh, I suspect that would exponentially increase the rate I slid down the slope .although they would go well with the decor
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I'm looking at the L810, ES10BK and S36II. Any recommendations on those, one over the others?

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ES10 is gimped by the small 4" woofer, ok as a surround in small systems but not worth much otherwise.

810 is a little better but the 5" woofer is still on the small side. It does have a much better tweeter and is well suited as a surround speaker.

S36 is a lot older but is closer to being a true full range speaker with the 6" driver and a solid 1" tweeter. However it is in a composite cab that is not quite ideal.

At similar prices I would pick the 810, but the S36 should be cheaper than either as they are probably used, and the 810 should be quite a bit more expensive.

If you are looking for a capable wall mount JBL then I would hunt down some L820's.

If you just need something simple for surround duty then you might be able to find a pair of E10's on the cheap. Basically the same speaker as the ES10 and I've seen used pairs sell for $50-100.
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I think I am looking for "something simple for surround duty". My room is relatively small and I get plenty of bass from the L=100's and the Polk sub. I'm not even sure it would be an improvement over my Cambridge surrounds, which I am running now. I just want to go all JBL :-). I'll try to hunt down some E-10's. The S-36's are readily available and relatively cheap, about $120 a pair. I know the enclosure is plastic but they are light and the hanging system seems pretty fool proof.

I'll see what I can turn up on the used market.
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Are these yours Slare?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JBL-Performa...item460346561e

No, but I think I've talked to the guy whose they are before. He kept lowballing me on a PS1400 I was selling saying he only needed the box as the corner on one of his was smashed, and that he'd have to drive sooooo far to buy mine.

The price would be fair enough if not for the damaged PS1400 and freight would cost and arm and a leg.

If anyone is local you might want to give a cash offer a shot. Adjusting down for ebay/paypal BIN fees + the hassle and risk of shipping and you could end up with a decent price on the whole kit, then pick up another PS1400 for ~$400 or so and have a spare driver and amp.

I've had mine for some time now and they are about the only thing in my electronics collection that I am still perfectly content with. Love 'em, no idea what I would replace them with for the money.
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I think I am looking for "something simple for surround duty"... L=100's

What are your fronts and center?

If you have 1990's L100's you could dig up an S-center to go with the S36's so long as the cab styling doesn't bother you.

EC35 center + E10 surrounds would be nice, too. Don't neglect the center.
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My L-100's are 1975 vintage and I am the original owner. My center is already an EC35. I came out of the S because I didn't like the plastic housing. Somehow, plastic surrounds don't seem to bother me as much. I'm not even sure my Cambridge surrounds are all that bad. They are bipole or dipole (?). I can find the E10's and ES10's real cheap and I'm not sure if I should even care that they only have a small woofer, since I have the L-100's and a Polk PS505 sub.. I had been leaning towards L810's or S36's for surrounds trying to have a larger speaker. My room is amall, about 15 by 20. My listening position is around 12' from my front speakers and about 10'om each surround.
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Any of the 6.5" 2-way JBL models will make excellent surrounds, and I'd go that way before considering ANY of the 5" or smaller models. S26, L830 and any of the E-series 6.5" models can be found cheap. I'd take the S26 before the S36 too, just for the better cabinet. The plastic cabs just sound icky in comparison.
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Anyone know basis for JBL speakers l820
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Anyone know basis for JBL speakers l820

Not sure what you are asking, but.......

http://www.jbl.com/EN-US/Products/Pa...spx?PID=L820-H
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Not sure what you are asking, but.......

http://www.jbl.com/EN-US/Products/Pa...spx?PID=L820-H

Something I have not seen before on that page; L820-H.
I did not see any reference to what that H means.
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Well, the good news is my local shop has diagnosed my original L8400's problem, the bad news is they claim it's "shorts on the circuit board" that have caused or resulted from "heat damage and smoke" with a repair estimate of $575. I've emailed Harman's parts department since they're not listing on the web anymore to see if I can order an amp through them, but I figured I'd put the feelers out here too. Any suggestions are welcome.

Yar.

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Well, the good news is my local shop has diagnosed my original L8400's problem, the bad news is they claim it's "shorts on the circuit board" that have caused or resulted from "heat damage and smoke" with a repair estimate of $575. I've emailed Harman's parts department since they're not listing on the web anymore to see if I can order an amp through them, but I figured I'd put the feelers out here too. Any suggestions are welcome.

Yar.

It's an open question whether that board is even still available (so repair is out).

I'd be looking at an aftermarket plate amp that might fit the cabinet. Barring that you could seal it up and use an external amp. Got any 600W amps sitting around? The driver/cab might be worth saving, being my point.

But in the $500 cost range, a whole new sub is certainly an option. And spending any money on that one is questionable. You're in the price range for a used HTPS400 or any number of new subs with equal or better performance.
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It's an open question whether that board is even still available (so repair is out).

I'd be looking at an aftermarket plate amp that might fit the cabinet. Barring that you could seal it up and use an external amp. Got any 600W amps sitting around? The driver/cab might be worth saving, being my point.

But in the $500 cost range, a whole new sub is certainly an option. And spending any money on that one is questionable. You're in the price range for a used HTPS400 or any number of new subs with equal or better performance.

I wasn't really entertaining their repair costs as my desperation backup plan is to buy another online at the lowest price (of whatever color; currently $599) and thereby having a parts mule to pull the amp from and potentially even switch out the driver that had a cosmetic ding on it anyway.

The thing you may not remember is my front stage is all cherry L's with a second L8400 on the other side so "subbing" in (I couldn't resist) something of grossly different proportions or colors is not going to do much for my wife's not entirely tenuous, but not entirely hearty embracing of this hobby sitting in our living room.

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I wasn't really entertaining their repair costs as my desperation backup plan is to buy another online at the lowest price (of whatever color; currently $599) and thereby having a parts mule to pull the amp from and potentially even switch out the driver that had a cosmetic ding on it anyway.

The thing you may not remember is my front stage is all cherry L's with a second L8400 on the other side so "subbing" in (I couldn't resist) something of grossly different proportions or colors is not going to do much for my wife's not entirely tenuous, but not entirely hearty embracing of this hobby sitting in our living room.

WAF issues aside, , you can do better for $600 than an L8400P. FWIW, the HTPS400 is even smaller in size. But your path of least resistance will be to use an external amp to drive the one you have.
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And now to reveal my novice-ness: Could a car-based sub amp like an Infinity ref1600a be converted with transformers and the like to work as an external amp for my defunct L8400? And now probably the more important question, *should* it?

You'd want an amp that can deliver 600W RMS, certainly nothing less than 400W. A car amp can work, although they tend to deliver as much distortion as power. A power converter capable of that kind of load is not cheap either. A used audio amp of appropriate size can be had in the $300-400 range on FleaBay. Plate amps too.
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nisteele:
Here is a link to Parts Express for sub plate amps. This one a 500w digital BASH. They actually put out more spl than an 800w Crown K2 amp, which would also work well.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=300-752
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Hi I have a Denon 3312 and currently an LC2 center and a pair of L820 now I know what my best option if you supplement them with a pair of L880 or L890?

Also I know some media to leave as the L820 rear speakers but they will not hang on the wall and let me know if you have some kind of base or stand
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Hi I have a Denon 3312 and currently an LC2 center and a pair of L820 now I know what my best option if you supplement them with a pair of L880 or L890?

Also I know some media to leave as the L820 rear speakers but they will not hang on the wall and let me know if you have some kind of base or stand

You can look on Amazon for speaker stands. Or just Google speaker stands.
There are many different types and sizes (heights), from different manufacturers.
http://www.google.com/search?client=...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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