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post #12901 of 15440 Old 05-07-2012, 06:04 PM
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I just installed the brackets and I'm now struggling with having them a little off center in the wall space and catching a stud or center and using drywall anchors. Looks like I'm going to try to catch a stud. By the way, there are two brackets per speaker and each bracket takes two screws. Four brackets total, eight screws. They are indeed 10 x 32 x 1/2". Given the weight of the speakers that seems adequate but not overkill. For such small speakers they are real heavy.
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Lookup "toggler" drywall anchors. They make a big hole in your drywall but they will support a lot of weight. I'd be very comfortable using them to mount 820's.
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They are up, and square with the world, too. They feel solid. I caught one stud and used a screw-in wall anchor for the other bracket. No toggles. Pictures soon.
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Congratulaitons! Often small victories are the source of great rewards.

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Question, How old is the Performance series?

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Question, How old is the Performance series?

According to this article, they were introduced at the 2000 CES.

http://www.widescreenreview.com/news_detail.php?id=2222
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According to this article, they were introduced at the 2000 CES.

http://www.widescreenreview.com/news_detail.php?id=2222

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According to this article, they were introduced at the 2000 CES.

http://www.widescreenreview.com/news_detail.php?id=2222

And they did not start appearing anywhere until 2001, as I recall.
And that ended up not being many stores. Tweeter A/V, Nebraska Furniture Mart are the two that come to mind. Big mistake of Harman to sell the PS line through its Synthesis dealers to which 90% did not have showrooms.
But at the time the PS came out, that was about the time JBL jumped from CC to BB. I know is was '99~2000 that a BB showed up in Reno. And when I first walked in there, I see JBLs. And the last time I had been in the Reno CC previous to that day, they still had JBLs. If the Magnolia corner of BB had sold the PS, that would have been sweet. But as I understand it, the owner of Magnolia had zero intentions of selling JBL. Thus the PS had almost zero exposure to the audio buying public.

As someone once said, the Performance Series is JBL's best kept secret. Over the past decade, I have not auditioned any better speakers for less than $2000/ea. And even speakers @ $3000/ea, which would be about the full retail price of a PT800/PS1400 stack.
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So I finally finished grad school, and will have a LOT more time to do things I've ignored for the past three years. Since I have no basement, everything goes into the garage. And I've got boxes inside of boxes. And with the garage full, the stuff I'd keep in the garage ends up in the house, where it's just driving me nuts.

I'd flatten the boxes for my JBL L890s x 2, L820s x 4, LC2 and L8400p, my Onkyo SR805, Emotiva UPA-1 x 3 and flat screen TV box and keep that all compact, but the point of having boxes was to be able to ship them for repair if ever needed, or if I were to ever relocate and move.

Seeing that relocation is unlikely, and while keeping the boxes and all the styrofoam end caps that come with them in my garage is taking up valuable space in a house with no garage, I'm just inclined to slash em up and recycle/pitch it all....

But before I do, does anyone in the Chicago area want boxes and styrofoam for the JBL Studio L series? Free for pickup...

What did you all do with these boxes??!

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Fill them with debris/bricks, tape them up and leave them on the front porch , wait for someone to steal them.
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Saved some at work and some in the store room and disposed of some.

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I'd say that roughly 2/3 of the boxes and foam inserts I've ever gotten were destroyed in shipping - not worth saving. I'm a better speaker-packer than JBL ever was.
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Greetings! First JBL post. Just heard of JBL LSR6332s. Has anyone compared them to JTR T8s or Adam Audio GTC88s?

I am looking for a 5.1 (and eventually 7.2 speaker setup) that will be mainly movies and PS3. I have a SVS PB-13 Ultra 1000 watt sub and plan to add a second sub. The room is 3700^3 feet.

Thanks for any input!
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Still loving my jbl es250p sub,after A week or so the sub really punch. It sure goes well with my hsu speakers. The 12" sub is in my bedroom which is 10x18. Some times this thing scares me, at intense lfe. My two Cents of words.
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What did you all do with these boxes??!


@Pilotace:
Hoarder with an unfinished basement, so I've still got all mine there under the stairs. My garage is dedicated to more garage-like things. Do you have attic space above your garage? It's where I'll put mine once we start finishing the basement.


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On a more broadly happy note, I'm now back with L8400P twins after getting my defunct unit back from the local "service" center and getting my new amp from Harman. The house sounds much more exciting again and I look forward to taking the old amp apart and seeing what I can scavenge. It had multiple heat generated shorts according to the folks that looked it over, any idea what Harman might charge for a plate amp repair? I figure they've surely got integrated boards laying around as this is both an Infinity and JBL amp in multiple products.

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Greetings! First JBL post. Just heard of JBL LSR6332s. Has anyone compared them to JTR T8s or Adam Audio GTC88s?

I am looking for a 5.1 (and eventually 7.2 speaker setup) that will be mainly movies and PS3. I have a SVS PB-13 Ultra 1000 watt sub and plan to add a second sub. The room is 3700^3 feet.

Thanks for any input!

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I'd be surprised if you found someone who's made that comparison, but you never know. A lot of folks here haven't even had the chance to see/hear any LSR models, especially the LSR 6332.

The LSR 6332 is arguably the best three-way bookshelf monitor ever made by JBL. I've heard them a number of times, including in JBL/Harman's Reference Listening Room in Northridge, CA. A full set up of these along with some LSR subs is quite a dream for those who've heard it.

Neither the JTR T8, JBL LSR 6332, nor the Adam Audio GTC88 is going to get you ULF, so with proper placement your dual (at least) subwoofer plan is a good one.

I'm fascinated by speakers with dual or triple small LF drivers. The Revel Salon2 is an example of the concept taken nearly to perfection, and it includes the ability to dig pretty deep in the bass. The LF specs on the JTR and Adam are less impressive, but with a sub, anything under 40Hz should be a nonissue anyway.

From a personal preference point of view, I've not held on to any 6.5", 8", or 10" dual or triple woofer speakers that I've owned. They all go bye-bye eventually. I tend to gravitate toward 12", 14", and 15" woofers in full-range speakers. The single exception is in my HT, where the Synthesis® SAM2LF units are dual 8" Al cones. Of course, they're anchored with four 18" subs in the room, so there's plenty of bottom to be found, and the SAM2LFs are doing mid bass duty only, coupled with the SAM1HF units handling mids and highs.

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I'd be surprised if you found someone who's made that comparison, but you never know. A lot of folks here haven't even had the chance to see/hear any LSR models, especially the LSR 6332.

The LSR 6332 is arguably the best three-way bookshelf monitor ever made by JBL. I've heard them a number of times, including in JBL/Harman's Reference Listening Room in Northridge, CA. A full set up of these along with some LSR subs is quite a dream for those who've heard it.

Neither the JTR T8, JBL LSR 6332, nor the Adam Audio GTC88 is going to get you ULF, so with proper placement your dual (at least) subwoofer plan is a good one.

I'm fascinated by speakers with dual or triple small LF drivers. The Revel Salon2 is an example of the concept taken nearly to perfection, and it includes the ability to dig pretty deep in the bass. The LF specs on the JTR and Adam are less impressive, but with a sub, anything under 40Hz should be a nonissue anyway.

From a personal preference point of view, I've not held on to any 6.5", 8", or 10" dual or triple woofer speakers that I've owned. They all go bye-bye eventually. I tend to gravitate toward 12", 14", and 15" woofers in full-range speakers. The single exception is in my HT, where the Synthesis® SAM2LF units are dual 8" Al cones. Of course, they're anchored with four 18" subs in the room, so there's plenty of bottom to be found, and the SAM2LFs are doing mid bass duty only, coupled with the SAM1HF units handling mids and highs.

The LSR 6332s sound very appealing. Hard to beat a dream system! I suspect I would send all the LF below 80Hz to my sub.
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On a more broadly happy note, I'm now back with L8400P twins after getting my defunct unit back from the local "service" center and getting my new amp from Harman. The house sounds much more exciting again and I look forward to taking the old amp apart and seeing what I can scavenge. It had multiple heat generated shorts according to the folks that looked it over, any idea what Harman might charge for a plate amp repair? I figure they've surely got integrated boards laying around as this is both an Infinity and JBL amp in multiple products.

Bump?

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JBL/Harman did my OOW PS1400s for free, but that's not likely to happen again since service moved out of Northridge. You may be in luck with the Harman HPAV group being in Elkhart.

See if you can find a real human over at the old Crown facility who can help you. Maybe someone will assist you if you're willing to make the drive over there to do a pick up/exchange.

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JBL/Harman did my OOW PS1400s for free, but that's not likely to happen again since service moved out of Northridge. You may be in luck with the Harman HPAV group being in Elkhart.

See if you can find a real human over at the old Crown facility who can help you. Maybe someone will assist you if you're willing to make the drive over there to do a pick up/exchange.

I'd seen on LH where your guy at Northridge got cut away with their move. You're absolute gold! Thank you so much for your suggestions.

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Well now, all you country fans can have genuine country star branded JBL headphones.

http://www.i4u.com/50497/tim-mcgraw-...hones-released

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I started a thread about this and was told to come here

Im looking for some speakers and have decided on either the ES90 or the L890. Does the l890 sound 200$ better?
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I started a thread about this and was told to come here

Im looking for some speakers and have decided on either the ES90 or the L890. Does the l890 sound 200$ better?

For full range duty, the L890 goes lower; 28 htz compared to 36 htz. The L890 also has a 1" Ti tweeter, the ES90 only 3/4". I have heard the ES90, but not side by side with the L890. Having owned the L890, that would be my pick.
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For full range duty, the L890 goes lower; 28 htz compared to 36 htz. The L890 also has a 1" Ti tweeter, the ES90 only 3/4". I have heard the ES90, but not side by side with the L890. Having owned the L890, that would be my pick.

Don't forget that 3/4" tweeter is Ti-*laminate* not full Ti like the L890 too. Plus the baskets of the drivers are stamped rather than cast.

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Well now, all you country fans can have genuine country star branded JBL headphones.

http://www.i4u.com/50497/tim-mcgraw-...hones-released

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0ExT4D3UB8

Sorry, couldn't resist, haha.
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Look like nice headphones, if only you could get them without that Tim McGraw crap on them!
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Well now, all you country fans can have genuine country star branded JBL headphones.

http://www.i4u.com/50497/tim-mcgraw-...hones-released

Yeah, Take THAT Dr. Dre!!!
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I will soon be joining the JBL fold as I just today ordered a complete 5.2 Performance system with 4 PT800s, 2 PS1400 subs, and PC600 center speaker.

They had always been lurking in the background of my thoughts ever since I remember first seeing them at a Tweeter store back in like '04 or '05 maybe, but the entire system that included JBL separates with them was like $15,000 or so, which was obviously too rich for me.

The more I thought about it, they just might be the ultimate speaker for me seeing as how I like movies and hard rock/metal for music, but yet can't stand a bright speaker like Klipsch.

How do you guys think beech PT800s on top of black PS1400a will look compared to beech on beech? I almost tend to think the beech on top of black contrast might actually look better.

Looking very forward to getting them.
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I will soon be joining the JBL fold as I just today ordered a complete 5.2 Performance system with 4 PT800s, 2 PS1400 subs, and PC600 center speaker.

They had always been lurking in the background of my thoughts ever since I remember first seeing them at a Tweeter store back in like '04 or '05 maybe, but the entire system that included JBL separates with them was like $15,000 or so, which was obviously too rich for me.

The more I thought about it, they just might be the ultimate speaker for me seeing as how I like movies and hard rock/metal for music, but yet can't stand a bright speaker like Klipsch.

How do you guys think beech PT800s on top of black PS1400a will look compared to beech on beech? I almost tend to think the beech on top of black contrast might actually look better.

Looking very forward to getting them.

Read this entire thread:
http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...ormance-Series
It's only 121 pages.
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