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I carefully avoided writing that it sounds better. I try to keep the lid on that can of worms.

My personal preference would be to pay $1000 for the 590 before spending $200 for the L890 (that's your $700 street price minus my fictional $500 rebate) because I would not be happy with the L890 having heard the 590 in the same environment.

As for the comparison with the Performance Series, I got to do a side-by-side with the Studio 530 ($600 pair JBL price) and the PT800 ($1500 each JBL price when available) in my house, and that made it a lot easier for me to sell my entire Performance system as I was downsizing for a potential move. Some of it went to Colorado, some to Oregon, some to Washington, some to new York, some to New Mexico, and even a little to California. I've loved the Performance Series for a long time, and I'm still using inverted Ti drivers in my "PT250" experiment, but the reality is that even the 530 ate the PT800's HF, midrange, and midbass lunch. I can't say what the larger models would do, but the inference is clear.

Again, some folks might still prefer the sound of the Performance Series, and I can understand why.
Wow. I'm kinda surprised at your comments. For no particular reason other than you seem to really like the Studio series.
Nothing wrong with that, but just not exactly what I expected to hear, especially such clear decisiveness over the Performance series.
Maybe some day I will get a chance to own them, but it would be several years at the least to even think about replacing my L series (which I love).
I love the sound and the form factor of how they fit in my theater room which is very tight as far as width and height.
Heck I never thought I would be able to have the L series either, but sometimes the right opportunity combined with passion
for this hobby allows things to happen sometimes. I really wouldn't be disappointed if they were the last speakers I even owned.

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It seems you've developed a preference for horns.
Yes. It's a shock, considering how much I hate horns. I don't like the way they look, I don't like the way they feel, I don't like the way they sound...

...except when I close my eyes, they somehow sound better than what I'm comparing them to.

Of course, not just any horns. Take any of the old JBL horn systems—please! But starting with the Project Array Series, then the Everest II/K2 S9900, then the Studio 500 Series and now the M2 and LSR305/308, they've gotten progressively more compelling, to the point where the mids and highs of direct radiators just seem weak.

I've still got some direct radiator systems: L100, XPL200A, and "PT250" experiment, but the truth of the matter is the newer horns are kicking butts and taking names.

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Horns vs cone/dome speakers is not a new discussion. Either "value" or sound quality discussions are still pretty much an apples/oranges conversation. I think many folks would agree that the PS and Revel models have reached near the pinnacle for cone/dome type speakers. Horn technology is still evolving to some extent. I'm pretty sure I will die listening to my PS system. But if I was to dabble in horns, I think I'd go looking for some used Array 1400/1000/880/800 models before I'd fork over $1K for a 590. But then I've never seen the value in new speakers when used are available.
The Revel Ultima II Salon is clearly class-leading in direct radiated sound, and it's a speaker I wanted to own. Who knows? It still might happen. But in a direct in-room comparison I ordered the four combatants this way:
  1. JBL K2 S9900
  2. Revel Ultima II Salon
  3. JBL Everest II DD66000
  4. JBL 1400 Array

I bought a pair of K2s as a result, though the Salons were much cheaper.

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Wow. I'm kinda surprised at your comments. For no particular reason other than you seem to really like the Studio series.
Nothing wrong with that, but just not exactly what I expected to hear, especially such clear decisiveness over the Performance series.
Maybe some day I will get a chance to own them, but it would be several years at the least to even think about replacing my L series (which I love).
I love the sound and the form factor of how they fit in my theater room which is very tight as far as width and height.
Heck I never thought I would be able to have the L series either, but sometimes the right opportunity combined with passion
for this hobby allows things to happen sometimes. I really wouldn't be disappointed if they were the last speakers I even owned.
You should've had your trailer backed up to my front door when I was pitching the Performance gear out!

Okay, I didn't actually pitch it out, but a ton of stuff went out at fire sale prices. I'm surprised RD wasn't out there picking up a few spares.

TBH, I still have four Cherry PT800s and a PC600 stored against future remorse. At this point, I've had no desire to take them out and listen to them. They could be the stars of a future sell-off.

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The Revel Ultima II Salon is clearly class-leading in direct radiated sound, and it's a speaker I wanted to own. Who knows? It still might happen. But in a direct in-room comparison I ordered the four combatants this way:
  1. JBL K2 S9900
  2. Revel Ultima II Salon
  3. JBL Everest II DD66000
  4. JBL 1400 Array

I bought a pair of K2s as a result, though the Salons were much cheaper.
I'll wager that in 4 different rooms, each set up precisely for one of those systems, the results and preferences might have been different. Or even equal x4. Suffice it to say that differentiating those 4 candidates requires some extremely high quality source material and setup.
Putting all of them in one room is a shoddy way to treat them. What you really demonstrated was which system is the most forgiving of marginal setup.
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I'll wager that in 4 different rooms, each set up precisely for one of those systems, the results and preferences might have been different. Or even equal x4. Suffice it to say that differentiating those 4 candidates requires some extremely high quality source material and setup.
Putting all of them in one room is a shoddy way to treat them. What you really demonstrated was which system is the most forgiving of marginal setup.
Oops! I forgot you were there and saw how everything was set up. You're right, there was crappy reproduction equipment (Levinson and Pass and Oppo and Wadia and Linn, ick!!) and lousy sources (FLAC and 180 gram vinyl). And, yes, the speaker placement was atrocious, what with speakers lying face-down on the floor and facing walls, and please don't mention the glass walls, concrete floors with no carpet, and the stainless steel ceiling and the Tuba Society meeting on Flight of the Bumblebee competition night in the back of the room... Oh wait, you weren't there and have no idea what transpired.

But hey, thanks for commenting!

The K2s are currently in my garage so I can sit on the hood of my Hyundai with the garage door opener in one hand and fly swatter in the other, cycling the door open and closed while I listen and swat flies. At least I think that's how you imagine me listening to them in my ignorance based on your preposterous comment above.

Sheesh, RD, I expect a little deeper thinking from you.

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Oops! I forgot you were there and saw how everything was set up. You're right, there was crappy reproduction equipment (Levinson and Pass and Oppo and Wadia and Linn, ick!!) and lousy sources (FLAC and 180 gram vinyl). And, yes, the speaker placement was atrocious, what with speakers lying face-down on the floor and facing walls, and please don't mention the glass walls, concrete floors with no carpet, and the stainless steel ceiling and the Tuba Society meeting on Flight of the Bumblebee competition night in the back of the room... Oh wait, you weren't there and have no idea what transpired.

But hey, thanks for commenting!

The K2s are currently in my garage so I can sit on the hood of my Hyundai with the garage door opener in one hand and fly swatter in the other, cycling the door open and closed while I listen and swat flies. At least I think that's how you imagine me listening to them in my ignorance based on your preposterous comment above.

Sheesh, RD, I expect a little deeper thinking from you.
Well....at least he didn't suggest that 'there must be something wrong with your hearing". You got off easy.

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You should've had your trailer backed up to my front door when I was pitching the Performance gear out!

Okay, I didn't actually pitch it out, but a ton of stuff went out at fire sale prices. I'm surprised RD wasn't out there picking up a few spares.

TBH, I still have four Cherry PT800s and a PC600 stored against future remorse. At this point, I've had no desire to take them out and listen to them. They could be the stars of a future sell-off.
I wish I could have been there. PS gear for sale is rare and getting more so with time. I'm dreading a failure or an incident like Mark experienced.
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My JBL 530's come in today. Space is a bit tight, but I can have it roughly 1 foot from the wall. Is that good enough?

Thanks!
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Hello,

My JBL 530's come in today. Space is a bit tight, but I can have it roughly 1 foot from the wall. Is that good enough?

Thanks!

I have my 580 mains and 530 rears about four inches off the wall and they sound great to me. Before I got my 580's I ran the 530's up front about four inches off the wall on stands, great speakers by the way and I think you will really like those 530's.
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