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The 880 Array would be my first choice. Can't say if it is a great match, but its certainly a great speaker.
Looks interesting. The JBL engineers didn't really have any good suggestions for me. They pretty much said nothing is going to sound like the M2's. But of course that's what they would say.
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Looks interesting. The JBL engineers didn't really have any good suggestions for me. They pretty much said nothing is going to sound like the M2's. But of course that's what they would say.
Well, its the only thing in the JBL stable that even comes close, and is a formidable speaker in its own right. Dual 8" drivers will give dialog its due.
But I'd also expect the M2 to be fully capable of running with a "phantom center" mode.
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Well, its the only thing in the JBL stable that even comes close, and is a formidable speaker in its own right. Dual 8" drivers will give dialog its due.
But I'd also expect the M2 to be fully capable of running with a "phantom center" mode.
Which is exactly what I'll be testing. There is no substitute for a real center channel, but with the phenomenal sweet spot of the M2's it might work pretty darn good.
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^You don't need a center channel unless you are sitting off center.
If you do though, why not just get another M2 for center channel. It's only money after all.

I saw in a recent interview with Mark Waldrep, that he plans to put a pair of M2 in his studio.

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^You don't need a center channel unless you are sitting off center.
If you do though, why not just get another M2 for center channel. It's only money after all.

I saw in a recent interview with Mark Waldrep, that he plans to put a pair of M2 in his studio.
Waldrep thinks they're the best speakers he's ever heard at any price, and he's heard a lot of speakers. So it's no surprise.

I explained why I haven't done a center yet a couple posts back. If I had an AT screen I'd have ordered 3 right off the bat.
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Still loving my LC2 and L820s..Every time I watch a movie I have seen before I think, wow I was missing a ton.

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Still loving my LC2 and L820s..Every time I watch a movie I have seen before I think, wow I was missing a ton.
Those L820's look like 4-ways? Pretty neat.
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Those L820's look like 4-ways? Pretty neat.
I'm ready for some measurements of your 2s way I can see if the specs are conservative or not. Their price really isn't that much different than the Danleys I'd be interested in purchasing so been stuck in back of my mind as of late!
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Looks interesting. The JBL engineers didn't really have any good suggestions for me. They pretty much said nothing is going to sound like the M2's. But of course that's what they would say.
There's these also. They have the Be diaphragm like the M2. They are a tad bit expensive though. I think they are somewhere around $7k a piece. :O

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There's these also. They have the Be diaphragm like the M2. They are a tad bit expensive though. I think they are somewhere around $7k a piece. :O

http://www.jblsynthesis.com/Products/Details/102
The M2 doesn't have Be diaphragm. They M2 has polymer diaphragms and a different CD design altogether. I have no idea how they would match, but I'll ask the JBL engineers.
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Well damn! My mistake.

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Quick question for yall. I have some ES80's and a 25c as fronts and all is great. Problem is, currently I have been using my old Z-5500 speakers as rears, and I am going to get some ES20's to replace them. Issue is, currently I have 18 gauge wire as that is what the Logitecs used. Would it be horrible for me to run ES20's as rears off of 18awg? Or should I really get some 14 and call it good? I have read that honestly 16 awg isn't an issue in most cases, and these runs will be maybe 25-30 foot runs. Just wondering if there are some opinions out there?

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I've used 16 AWG on a number of projects and systems and never felt that it was inadequate. Sorry, never used 18.

Of course on my big babies (K2 S9900 and others) I use super fat wire just to impress everyone, but TTTT, when testing them I just grabbed a few feet off the 16 Ga roll, and they sounded just as good as when I put the fat boys in. Bear in mind, the wires were only four or five feet in length, and the longer the wire, the more likely you'll need to increase the gauge.

I think there's enough science among the speaker wire mumbo jumbo that it's safe to assume 18 AWG is going to be marginal for your intended application. Minimum would be 16, and I'd probably do 14 so that I could re-use it in the future if I moved up to more power and bigger speakers.

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Hahahahahahaha...Ha! I don't know what JBL and Harman were smoking when they designed the M2's, but I want to send them a pack of lighters to be sure they don't stop! These are some seriously amazing speakers that I am appreciating more and more as I listen.

They're definitely at another level from anything I've owned, blind comparo listened, or heard at a GTG.

My listening impressions: "Wow", "whaaaat?", "Seriously?", "Hahaha!"

I haven't even tried to EQ them yet and the prospect of them getting potentially better is incredibly exciting.
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what you think of L96 ?
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^^If that was at me, I don't know. I haven't heard them. Hopefully someone else here can offer you some feedback.
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what you think of L96 ?
Essentially a home audio version of the pro studio monitors of the day. The L96 is a formidable speaker, capable of handling unlimited power and SPL, and the harder you drive them the better they sound. These are serious speakers, capable of detail and imaging that well exceed most modern speakers. They do have a few weaknesses which are shared by most models of the time. The woofer foam surrounds need replacement, the L-pads tend to get dirty over the years and cause crackles or loss of contact, and they do need a subwoofer to generate those LF sounds under 40Hz. (they were designed for 1980 audio that generally had a 40Hz roll off). If you try to push 30Hz through them you will start to hear port chuffing.

The L96 uses the same crossover and drivers as the L112 and L150A (except different woofers). These represent the pinnacle of soft-dome systems from JBL, and to do better you need to go to the titanium models of the mid 80s, the L20/60/80/100t. Some folks prefer the sound of the soft domes over titanium, YMMV. The 044 tweeter in the L96 has an aluminum coating on a soft Dacron dome, you'll sometimes see that flaking off.

The L96 LIKES a lot of power, I'd recommend 200WPC as the sweet spot, and certainly no less that 100WPC.

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Hahahahahahaha...Ha! I don't know what JBL and Harman were smoking when they designed the M2's, but I want to send them a pack of lighters to be sure they don't stop! These are some seriously amazing speakers that I am appreciating more and more as I listen.

They're definitely at another level from anything I've owned, blind comparo listened, or heard at a GTG.

My listening impressions: "Wow", "whaaaat?", "Seriously?", "Hahaha!"

I haven't even tried to EQ them yet and the prospect of them getting potentially better is incredibly exciting.
Don't hold back now, tell us what you really think.
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Sorry for the emotional outburst . It's just that when you listen for years wishing your speakers would reach a certain SQ threshold, and then listen to one that does, it's the epitome of joy as an audio hobbiest.
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Sorry for the emotional outburst . It's just that when you listen for years wishing your speakers would reach a certain SQ threshold, and then listen to one that does, it's the epitome of joy as an audio hobbiest.
Ha, now you have years to look forward to, searching and spending for pre-amps and power amps that will maximize that pleasure. Not to mention high res music sources. There's no end to this. A fine set of speakers will reveal a lot about the rest of the system.
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