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Ok guys, i need some help. I am trying to improve my sound (wont be too difficult) but I am not an audiophile. I DO appreciate an awesome sounding system though and i would like to make the right choices now so i dont end up buying stuff i wont end up liking. That being said my biggest dilemma is trying to pick a center at the moment. (right now i am getting a center channel and upgrading my receiver)

I have some old northridge E90's being powered by a Yamaha HTR 5990. No center channel right now and i have some surrounds that i am not sure the brand right now. I have always thought the E90's sounded pretty good, but the more i keep reading, the more i find maybe i am wrong?? lol I am also having a really hard time finding a center to match. I was contemplating going with an es25c but reading further back in this thread, a lot of people said it wasnt a good match and i cannot find an EC35 anywhere to save my life.

What i dont want to happen is i go through all this and end up not happy with everything. Anyone have experiance with the e90's or similar and can give me some good advice i would appreciate it. FWIW, i am likely getting a Denon X3000 for a receiver.
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I am also having a really hard time finding a center to match. I was contemplating going with an es25c but reading further back in this thread, a lot of people said it wasnt a good match and i cannot find an EC35 anywhere to save my life.
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It takes some patience to find an EC35. Right now the S-Center or S-Center II are easier to find, cheap, and might be a reasonable match.
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It takes some patience to find an EC35. Right now the S-Center or S-Center II are easier to find, cheap, and might be a reasonable match.
I have seen those, but i thought that because it is a plastic backed speaker and my e90's are wood it wouldnt be a good match?
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I used to have a system of all E-series speakers and I really liked them. Very much worth it for the price I paid.
They aren't the best, but much better than most surround sound systems out there.
Then one day I had an opportunity to get the L-series at a great price that still can't be had today, and that was a few years ago.
So, I jumped on that and with the sale of my E-series, there wasn't even too much OOP expense and I am very happy with the sound
of the L-series too. A clear step up from the E-series, but again there are certainly better speakers than this too.
It all just depends on what you can afford and are willing to spend for better and better sound,
but trust me when I say the E-series do not sound bad at all. They are very good. Don't let a few comments on the net sway you from knowing that.

rdgrimes speaks the truth though... the S-center is a pretty good match for the E-series speakers.
Yes the housing is plastic, but as the saying goes, "don't judge a speaker by it's housing"... or something like that.
The S-center models are very capable, and very similar to the EC35, so a good substitute.
As he also said, some patience is needed when trying to find older speakers and parts.
The E-series, while still great sounding, is discontinued and getting harder to find.
I suggest saving a search on your Ebay account for "JBL EC35" and checking it often so that
when one goes up for sale/auction, you can pounce on it.
Check as often as you can depending on how bad you want it, because remember that you aren't the only person looking for one,
and Ebay caters to millions of buyers, so if you have the diligence to check several times a day, then I'd do that.

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I used to have a system of all E-series speakers and I really liked them. Very much worth it for the price I paid.
They aren't the best, but much better than most surround sound systems out there. Don't let some
Then one day I had an opportunity to get the L-series at a great price that still can't be had today, and that was a few years ago.
So, I jumped on that and with the sale of my E-series, there wasn't even too much OOP expense and I am very happy with the sound
of the L-series too. A clear step up from the E-series, but again there are certainly better speakers than this too.
It all just depends on what you can afford and are willing to spend for better and better sound,
but trust me when I say the E-series do not sound bad at all. They are very good. Don't let a few comments on the net sway you from knowing that.

rdgrimes speaks the truth though... the S-center is a pretty good match for the E-series speakers.
Yes the housing is plastic, but as the saying goes, "don't judge a speaker by it's housing"... or something like that.
The S-center models are very capable, and very similar to the EC35, so a good substitute.
As he also said, some patience is needed when trying to find older speakers and parts.
The E-series, while still great sounding, is discontinued and getting harder to find.
I suggest saving a search on your Ebay account for "JBL EC35" and checking it often so that
when one goes up for sale/auction, you can pounce on it.
Check as often as you can depending on how bad you want it, because remember that you aren't the only person looking for one,
and Ebay caters to millions of buyers, so if you have the diligence to check several times a day, then I'd do that.
Awesome! Thanks for the info. I guess thats where i am kinda lost then. lol I thought that the actual cabinet made a big difference when trying to timbre match. Great info. Thank you
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Ok, well i got a great deal on the s-center on ebay! less than 100 shipped so i got that on the way and i am about to grab the Denon x2100w too! thanks for your help. i am going to keep an eye out for an ec35 though too.
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Awesome! Thanks for the info. I guess thats where i am kinda lost then. lol I thought that the actual cabinet made a big difference when trying to timbre match. Great info. Thank you
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Ok, well i got a great deal on the s-center on ebay! less than 100 shipped so i got that on the way and i am about to grab the Denon x2100w too! thanks for your help. i am going to keep an eye out for an ec35 though too.
At that price you can always sell the S-Center if its not to your liking. Yes the cabinet has a bit of a plastic sound and it's not easy to place because its rounded, but its a real 3-way and has a respectable sound - certainly better than most.

The EC35 will show up on the bay. I see one maybe every month or two.
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At that price you can always sell the S-Center if its not to your liking. Yes the cabinet has a bit of a plastic sound and it's not easy to place because its rounded, but its a real 3-way and has a respectable sound - certainly better than most.

The EC35 will show up on the bay. I see one maybe every month or two.
kinda of what i figured. I may just hold out until i save some money and get a full klipsch set and be done with it but we will see how this sounds first. I am buying a mount of some sort so i can place it above or below the TV on the wall so hopefully the mounting wont be an issue.
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kinda of what i figured. I may just hold out until i save some money and get a full klipsch set and be done with it but we will see how this sounds first. I am buying a mount of some sort so i can place it above or below the TV on the wall so hopefully the mounting wont be an issue.
Of the Klipsch speakers I've auditioned, they can be very fatiguing. And if you do like the JBL sound, Klipsch may not be a good choice.
imo, better off upgrading to better JBLs, buying in stages, if needed...pair of towers, then a center, surrounds, sub(s)...or in any order you prefer.

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UH! He said the K word, lol. I do not like those. They sound very harsh to me.

If i had money to burn and could choose any reasonably priced high end speakers,
I would most likely buy Revel, which is also made by Harman/JBL.
When it come to getting the absolute best sound for your investment, I honestly think JBL is it.
Don't get me wrong, there are a LOT of good sounding speakers out there, and all ears are different too,
but these guys really know how to make great sounding speakers.
It is a real shame that they are not showcased more to the general public so people know just how good they are.
Seems these days you can only buy them online or from boutique shops.

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UH! He said the K word, lol. I do not like those. They sound very harsh to me.

If i had money to burn and could choose any reasonably priced high end speakers,
I would most likely buy Revel, which is also made by Harman/JBL.
When it come to getting the absolute best sound for your investment, I honestly think JBL is it.
Don't get me wrong, there are a LOT of good sounding speakers out there, and all ears are different too,
but these guys really know how to make great sounding speakers.
It is a real shame that they are not showcased more to the general public so people know just how good they are.
Seems these days you can only buy them online or from boutique shops.
JBL basically shot themselves in the foot when they jumped over to BB.
BB only ever carried the lower series. So the average guy had no clue about the higher end JBLs (PS, in particular). And only had the Studio L series via online.

And the Synthesis dealers did not want to be bothered with the PS, as filecat found out in SoCa.
The last time I saw top-o-line JBLs in NW Nevada was when JBLs were sold in CC...that was the late '80s, they had the 250Ti. I may have seen the L7 in the '90s, there.

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I own a couple of JBLs! My first set are still around, too. I have a set of old 075 tweeters, D123 woofers and some kind of unknown cabinets. The cabinets could use some restoration, but the speakers have been indoors and put away for many years. I always heard them with some oddball Calrad crossovers or some other kind of crossover that wasn't right. I just ordered parts to recreate an N2400 network. I never liked the sound of these speakers before, so I'm hoping the N2400 copy helps!

I also have a set of ND310s. I can hear you groaning! They aren't completely terrible. I've heard worse in new speakers. It does seem like an odd decision that they paired a 3/4" tweeter and 4" midrange with two 10" woofers, though!

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Just find this amazing thread...
and glad find it...
I really like JBL


for stereo I have the legnedary L300
which I probably going to Bi Amp soon..
but now it is different story


I'm builidng my JBL HT room and your help ...
I open a thread here:


JBL PRO for large and crazy HT room:)


Please come in and advise - thank!
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Greetings and Happy New Year JBL fans!
Happy to report the dueling L8400P are doing excellent after... well I've had them so long I forgot when I bought them, haha, but 2007 rings a bell. The LC1 in another room is still holding up well with a 32" HDTV on top also. And current Gameroom environment is 4 S38IIs with an LC2 placed behind a 32" 3DTV. The big LC2 works very well behind the TV as a center speaker and the sound still seems to come from the correct position if your into positional audio (gaming). L820s are still hanging from the 3/16" Nylon Braid and Mirror Hooks after 5yrs in the bedroom. I have 2 of those ScenterIIs somewhere. Always planned on using them for outdoor stereo on camping trips but silence ruled the air by vote. Chainsaw attracts more deer than Jimi Hendricks... go figure.

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Welcome back Bob and that's good to hear!

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Hi,

Does anyone know what's going on with the 7 series? I thought JBL were going to officially announce pricing during NAMM, and I was hoping for some more info, but so far nothing...
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I recently came across a free pair of jbl lx500 speakers in need of a refoam, $11bucks later i'm liking them in my home theater good front upgrade over the monoprice satellites they replaced. I like the added bass, so i'm looking for older jbl's as they can be had for cheap and have bigger drivers than most modern speakers in the ~$250 range.

I'm looking to add a surround system to my master bedroom(2600 cuft), 95% home theater, 5% music when cleaning so not a priority. i'm thinking of putting the 500s in the room and getting another set of jbl's for the living room again all home theater use, what are some good older jbl's to be on the look out for.

Here are some listing examples on my local craigslist, any good deals here, and what older jbls should i be on the look out for ~$250budget


Jbl g500-$125

Jbl 900 towers- $60

Jbl 4311-$250

JBL SVA1800-$160

JBL 3800-$115
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Hi guys,

Basically just returned to audio. Used to have some Pro Audio monitors (4435s) as well as S38IIs. Loved my S38IIs, so when I got a chance to buy some S412PIIs, I took it. I got them for $50 last week. Although the owner said they were all working, after doing some trouble shooting have found the midrange and tweeter to be blown in one cabinet. Everything else is fine and dandy.

I am now looking for replacement drivers. I may buy a pair of S310IIs locally for $250 and swap them, but was hoping someone here has any ideas. My last resort would be to try and buy some L820 mids and tweeters.

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Hi guys,

Basically just returned to audio. Used to have some Pro Audio monitors (4435s) as well as S38IIs. Loved my S38IIs, so when I got a chance to buy some S412PIIs, I took it. I got them for $50 last week. Although the owner said they were all working, after doing some trouble shooting have found the midrange and tweeter to be blown in one cabinet. Everything else is fine and dandy.

I am now looking for replacement drivers. I may buy a pair of S310IIs locally for $250 and swap them, but was hoping someone here has any ideas. My last resort would be to try and buy some L820 mids and tweeters.
That's a steal on S412 in any condition, especially if the plate amps work. You can use the mids and tweets from any of the Sxxx-II series, must be the "II" series with grey cones. So look for S38II, even S26II for the tweets. S38II shows up on eBay pretty regular, as do parts.
Before replacing drivers, 1st be sure the wiring and crossover is good. Do that by swapping the drivers from the other speaker.
FWIW, the S38II will make a fantastic surround speaker to go with those S412II, as will the S26II. No need to worry about "II" for surround speakers, either revision is fine unless you want to expand your pool of parts.

Aside from the tweeters and mounts, the differences between "S38" and "S38II" is mainly cosmetic.
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That's a steal on S412 in any condition, especially if the plate amps work. You can use the mids and tweets from any of the Sxxx-II series, must be the "II" series with grey cones. So look for S38II, even S26II for the tweets. S38II shows up on eBay pretty regular, as do parts.
Before replacing drivers, 1st be sure the wiring and crossover is good. Do that by swapping the drivers from the other speaker.
FWIW, the S38II will make a fantastic surround speaker to go with those S412II, as will the S26II. No need to worry about "II" for surround speakers, either revision is fine unless you want to expand your pool of parts.

Aside from the tweeters and mounts, the differences between "S38" and "S38II" is mainly cosmetic.
Crossovers are definitely still good.

Great news though! Someone out there must be looking after me. I got a hold of someone selling S312IIs on eBay and he is sending me the drivers for a very great price tomorrow.

Extremely happy right now.

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Hi,
I have a pair of jbl l830's. Both have tears in the rubber cones. I'd like to get them repaired but don't know where to turn to. can anyone point me in the right direction? Are they even worth repairing?

Thanks for your help?
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I have a pair of jbl l830's. Both have tears in the rubber cones. I'd like to get them repaired but don't know where to turn to. can anyone point me in the right direction? Are they even worth repairing?

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Talk to Orange Co Speaker, they'll give you the straight poop. They might need to be re-coned, and finding replacements might be cost effective in comparison. JBL might still have parts for them.
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Just cause u asked

This is what i have on my iphone,
I update my profiles with some more "Porn" later one.
what u see is L300 and with some very nice
SingleEnded 211/845 mono block , design and made by Valves' Audio(Tossie Japan).
My next project is to bi amp the L300 with some very nice
ClassD for the Bass and Tube Amp for Mids and Highs.
Well... will get to it...

Now - i really need ur help guys with HT:
JBL PRO for large and crazy HT room:)
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Help with "Flappy" JBL E90 bass

Alright guys. need a little help again.

I now have my new center (JBL s-center) and new receiver (Denon x2100w) and are getting them setup. I have run the auto calibration setup and it sounds OK. but i am having an issue with my JBL E90's. I dont have a sub right now, but the e90's are dual 8" so i thought it would be ok. After getting everything setup, i pop in a disc but when there is something that uses a good amount of low bass, the e90's start to sound like there is something flopping around (which there isnt). Sorry for not knowing the tech term here but its really "flappy" bass if that makes sense.

Any suggestions? The problem is even if i get a sub, i think the E90's will have the same issue because the Audessy setup has them listed as full range speakers and i cant seem to change that???
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Alright guys. need a little help again.

I now have my new center (JBL s-center) and new receiver (Denon x2100w) and are getting them setup. I have run the auto calibration setup and it sounds OK. but i am having an issue with my JBL E90's. I dont have a sub right now, but the e90's are dual 8" so i thought it would be ok. After getting everything setup, i pop in a disc but when there is something that uses a good amount of low bass, the e90's start to sound like there is something flopping around (which there isnt). Sorry for not knowing the tech term here but its really "flappy" bass if that makes sense.

Any suggestions? The problem is even if i get a sub, i think the E90's will have the same issue because the Audessy setup has them listed as full range speakers and i cant seem to change that???
Of course a good sub is always the best option.
Check in the dedicated thread for that AVR. There's probably a setting or two relating to how bass is steered when there's no sub. If the LFE channel is being re-directed to L-R, it could cause issues. Several different things could cause the woofers to sound "floppy". One sound that's possible is called "port chuffing", its the result of having VLF sounds at high levels which exceed the speaker's design intent. Another possible sound is when the woofers are bottoming out - this is not a good thing to have happen. Various other issues with cones can make noises, things like deteriorating surrounds (suspension), cracks or tears. And last but not least is when something inside the cabinet is banging against the back side of the cone.

In any case the real cause may be that the speakers are are being fed VLF sounds at too high levels. Try setting the AVR to just drop the LFE channel and not mix it into the mains, then see if the issue is gone.
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