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post #15811 of 15832 Old 02-19-2015, 01:40 PM
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With my 530s on the way, I figure it's time to get down to asking how I should properly setup my system to ensure I'm getting the best sound possible.

I now have the Marantz receiver (which I'm still trying to get my head around, regarding Audessey and various settings like "Pure," "Direct" "Music" etc.) and I'm trying to understand when to use certain presets,etc.

First question is, do I need a subwoofer? I have a Velodyne Max EQ-8, and I guess it's fine, I just always feel I'm fiddling with the settings (phase, volume, crossover) never really knowing if it's set correctly or not. Some songs will sound good with it, and then another song, album, artist will play and it'll be too boomy, too loud, etc. How do I set it up to be universally "correct?"

Following that, if I am indeed going to use the subwoofer, do I use it's auto-EQ room correction before I run Audessey via my receiver? Is there a crossover to set it to knowing I'm pairing it with the 530s?
For good bass you will need your sub. The 530 -6db@ 45htz is no low bass at all.
If the sub is up front of the room, then the phase is 0.
If the sub is along a side wall or in back then 180. Or somewhere in between, if its a rotary switch.
Set the Marantz to 80 htz XO, for starters. That will most likely be best. Although you can play around with 60 htz, not not lower.
As for Audessey, you may or may not like it for music. I have my autoEQ turned off.

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For good bass you will need your sub. The 530 -6db@ 45htz is no low bass at all.
If the sub is up front of the room, then the phase is 0.
If the sub is along a side wall or in back then 180. Or somewhere in between, if its a rotary switch.
Set the Marantz to 80 htz XO, for starters. That will most likely be best. Although you can play around with 60 htz, not not lower.
As for Audessey, you may or may not like it for music. I have my autoEQ turned off.
So if I hit "Pure" on the control, it does not use subwoofer or Audessey, correct? And if I want to use 2.1 but no Audessey, how do I do that? I feel less concerned about not having the Audessey MultiEQ32 if you're saying you prefer music with no Audessey at all, as that's my primary use for my receiver.
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Try reading your receiver manual.

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So if I hit "Pure" on the control, it does not use subwoofer or Audessey, correct? And if I want to use 2.1 but no Audessey, how do I do that? I feel less concerned about not having the Audessey MultiEQ32 if you're saying you prefer music with no Audessey at all, as that's my primary use for my receiver.
Being I do not have a Marantz, I do not know. As gferrell said, read the manual.
With my HK AVR, when I go to stereo output w/tone controls 'off', which they always are, the mains are running 'full range' but I still have the sub.

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Do you guys think the older speakers like the s312 can hold their own against some of the newer offerings from JBL?
S38 or S38II are great bookshelf speakers but with their 8" woofer can substitute for mains very well in stereo or surround rigs. I have 4 of them on on top of my L series towers in a 5.1 setup that are used for my computer gaming rig, Internet radio and today they will blast out the Daytona 500 and it's gonna be awesome!
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I'm hoping that the experts here can give me someguidance on a comparison between the JBL 500 series (580 towers, 530 surrounds,520 center w/ 550P sub)
and the LS Series (80 towers, 40 surrounds, LS center and 120P sub).

Besides the obvious design, age and sizes of the LS are there any other qualities I need to consider, based on the room's size and construction methods here that consist of concrete walls and tile over concrete floors. I'll have to deal with the acoustic's in due time.

Competitively priced speaker selections are limited here in Thailand with the JBL's, Polk Audio and KEF's as the only realvalue.

ARV's that fit this category are limited toMarantz, Pioneer and HK, so I need to put something together based on the aboveavailability's.

How about some mix/match ideas from the JBLspecialists here?

The JBL distributor in BKK has a promo that matches both JBL sets with a Denon AVR-X5200W but the Denon’s are overpriced here.

Don’t care about ATMOS and want to start with a 7.2 system only

A hearty thanks for all input and suggestions.
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I don't think many on this thread have ever heard the LS...mostly in Europe.
I assume the JBL dealers there can get the 580, but not the 590?
The 590 would be my choice.
As I mentioned to you, before, I auditioned the 570 last year...
and the only thing missing was the low bass.
Buy the Marantz AVR and its all good.

What it all really comes down to is you doing auditions to decide which series you like best. With mixed reviews of the LS, I am not ready to recommend them...but you just might like them.

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Hi, I have been in the market for a replacement subwoofer and recently purchased the Jbl sub 550p. Any word on reliability and sound from the woofer? Thanks
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I don't think many on this thread have ever heard the LS...mostly in Europe.
I assume the JBL dealers there can get the 580, but not the 590?
The 590 would be my choice.
As I mentioned to you, before, I auditioned the 570 last year...
and the only thing missing was the low bass.
Buy the Marantz AVR and its all good.

What it all really comes down to is you doing auditions to decide which series you like best. With mixed reviews of the LS, I am not ready to recommend them...but you just might like them.
I should have recognized the TT DD and how your response here ended up on another forum baffles me, but it makes me more appreciative of your input


As I mentioned on the other site, the 580's are listed as "new" here so it might be awhile for 590's to arrive.


The Marantz 6009 or 7009 is the way I'll be going.


Thanks again, but before I go I need to ask you about the 4' from the wall mains placement.
Is that common to all mains or just the JBL's. Might look a bit odd like that or is a closer location ok with some kind of acoustical panels behind them?


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Thanks again, but before I go I need to ask you about the 4' from the wall mains placement.
Is that common to all mains or just the JBL's. Might look a bit odd like that or is a closer location ok with some kind of acoustical panels behind them?

Mike
Having my L/R mains out from the wall around 4' is my preference.
I've been doing it for years. When I pulled my son's L890s out, he was amazed how much better they sounded.
Some will cry that too far away and the bass output drops, well those L890s are putting out very good bass and he does not have a sub.
The farther out from the wall, the deeper the soundstage.
The father away from the side walls, the wider the soundstage,
which will not be a problem in your room.

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Having my L/R mains out from the wall around 4' is my preference.
I've been doing it for years. When I pulled my son's L890s out, he was amazed how much better they sounded.
Some will cry that too far away and the bass output drops, well those L890s are putting out very good bass and he does not have a sub.
The farther out from the wall, the deeper the soundstage.
The father away from the side walls, the wider the soundstage,
which will not be a problem in your room.
Side walls are easy but the more I move out the mains, and mlp, the lesser the recommended angle for the surrounds.


I'm planning on 2 subs by the way.


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Side walls are easy but the more I move out the mains, and mlp, the lesser the recommended angle for the surrounds.


I'm planning on 2 subs by the way.


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When it comes to rooms, very few are even close to perfection, one has to work with what one has. And many times less than perfect locations have to be used.
I only have one back surround for that very reason, no place to put the other.

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There's a pair of 590's floating around on craigslist for $900 here & some cherry 580s (with 560 sub) for $1600....if only the 590's were cherry...
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There's a pair of 590's floating around on craigslist for $900 here & some cherry 580s (with 560 sub) for $1600....if only the 590's were cherry...


All good and well if they were listed in Thailand, which I doubt, but will look anyway.
Tough to get them thru customs into Thailand if they're in the US






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So if I hit "Pure" on the control, it does not use subwoofer or Audessey, correct? And if I want to use 2.1 but no Audessey, how do I do that? I feel less concerned about not having the Audessey MultiEQ32 if you're saying you prefer music with no Audessey at all, as that's my primary use for my receiver.
Set it to 'Stereo' or 'Auto'... I have the SR6003, so the modes may have changed names...

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Hi, I have been in the market for a replacement subwoofer and recently purchased the Jbl sub 550p. Any word on reliability and sound from the woofer? Thanks
I had to have the whole amp replaced, it kept popping a resistor, but after that it was sweet. Was a great sub, played nice and smooth down to 30Hz when setup correctly...but I sold and replaced with SVS...

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I currently have JBL MR fronts (Center has 2 x 3.5" mids plus 10mm Ti tweeter), and I'm looking for a bigger center channel (hoping to drop my AVR crossover from 110 to 80Hz), so I'd assumed I'd need speakers with 5-6" drivers, but I was on JBL's website and saw their Studio 1 and 2 series Center and Bookshelf models with 4" mid-bass drivers, claimed frequency response down to 60-ish Hz, so would I see a noticeable improvement with Studio 220 + 225C?
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Can anyone whose heard the Studio 530s and the KEF Q300 or B&W 685s2 comment on the difference in sound?

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I currently have JBL MR fronts (Center has 2 x 3.5" mids plus 10mm Ti tweeter), and I'm looking for a bigger center channel (hoping to drop my AVR crossover from 110 to 80Hz), so I'd assumed I'd need speakers with 5-6" drivers, but I was on JBL's website and saw their Studio 1 and 2 series Center and Bookshelf models with 4" mid-bass drivers, claimed frequency response down to 60-ish Hz, so would I see a noticeable improvement with Studio 220 + 225C?
I'd be looking at the 235C. Nothing with less than a 6" driver will do what you want.
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Looking for recommendations on an inexpensive ($200-400) subwoofer to pair with my JBL Studio 530s. I'm not a basshead, and much prefer nice, tight, controlled bass to a lot of bass. I also don't tend to listen to music very loud. The room isn't very large and frankly I think I'd be happy without a subwoofer at all. But if I were to buy one to go with the 530s and my Marantz AVR, what should it be?

A few possibilities:
Just saw that the matching JBL 550P sub is $290 on Amazon...is that the one to get, to match my speakers?

Outlaw M8 is $299

Hsu STF-2 is $359

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A few possibilities:
Just saw that the matching JBL 550P sub is $290 on Amazon...is that the one to get, to match my speakers?

Outlaw M8 is $299

Hsu STF-2 is $359
Honestly, the JBL subs in this price range are under-performers. In this price range I'd go with either of those other options. You'll likely find info about either in the subwoofer forum. OTOH, that's a great price for the JBL, but be aware its not being sold by Amazon.
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RBF1138. The Hsu STF2 will significantly outperform any JBL offerings in the approximately same price range. I have the STF2 in a small room. I was far clearer for music than my JBL PS12 and plays lower. In much larger rooms, you will likely need to consider much larger, more expensive subwoofers (but check in the subwoofer forum).
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