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Hey guys i have studio 580 front,520c center and studio 530 as a surround looking for a new receiver denon x3300 good for them or i need to go x4300?
You might want to consider if you will want four Atmos or DTS:X overhead speakers in the future. I believe the x3300 only provides for two overhead channels.

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I'll suggest that you put the Arrays on a 40Hz crossover to the HTPS400s. Or if you feel you are lacking in power to the Arrays, 60 or even 80Hz. But given enough power they are very strong down to 40Hz.
That is exactly what I had in mind. They'll be running from my Parasound Halo Integrated, so I hope they'll be getting plenty of power.

Which leads me to another question - do you think it would be better to run each HTPS-400 from the LR subwoofer channels (same mono signal) on the integrated or daisy chain them via the line output on the sub? It would also be possible to run them from the pre outs on the integrated and use the crossover in the HTPS-400 for a stereo sub setup. I suspect that may make them more difficult to integrate.

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That is exactly what I had in mind. They'll be running from my Parasound Halo Integrated, so I hope they'll be getting plenty of power.

Which leads me to another question - do you think it would be better to run each HTPS-400 from the LR subwoofer channels (same mono signal) on the integrated or daisy chain them via the line output on the sub? It would also be possible to run them from the pre outs on the integrated and use the crossover in the HTPS-400 for a stereo sub setup. I suspect that may make them more difficult to integrate.

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You should consult Parasound as to whether those 2 sub outputs are mono or stereo. I avoid "stereo" type sub setups because it halves the output from each sub. So I'd go with mono x2 however you wish to achieve that. Daisy chain works as well as anything unless they are on opposite sides of the room and not easy to connect.
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You should consult Parasound as to whether those 2 sub outputs are mono or stereo. I avoid "stereo" type sub setups because it halves the output from each sub. So I'd go with mono x2 however you wish to achieve that. Daisy chain works as well as anything unless they are on opposite sides of the room and not easy to connect.
The manual states that the two outputs are mono (bold portion):

"Subwoofer Outputs (Balanced and Unbalanced)
The Halo Integrated provides one XLR connector and two RCA jacks for one or more
subwoofers. The two unbalanced and one balanced subwoofer outputs all carry the same
mono signal.
You can select whether the mono signal is full range or crossed over according
to the frequency you select for the Low Pass crossover.
Using Stereo Subwoofers
If you have two subwoofers and want them to operate in stereo you can connect them to
the Left and Right Pre Out jacks instead of to the Sub Output jacks which are mono. In
this case you would need to set the High Pass crossover switch to Off. With this
configuration the front panel Sub Level control does not function."

I wonder what the slopes are for each crossover - integrated vs sub. More research!
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The manual states that the two outputs are mono (bold portion):

"Subwoofer Outputs (Balanced and Unbalanced)
The Halo Integrated provides one XLR connector and two RCA jacks for one or more
subwoofers. The two unbalanced and one balanced subwoofer outputs all carry the same
mono signal.
You can select whether the mono signal is full range or crossed over according
to the frequency you select for the Low Pass crossover.
Using Stereo Subwoofers
If you have two subwoofers and want them to operate in stereo you can connect them to
the Left and Right Pre Out jacks instead of to the Sub Output jacks which are mono. In
this case you would need to set the High Pass crossover switch to Off. With this
configuration the front panel Sub Level control does not function."

I wonder what the slopes are for each crossover - integrated vs sub. More research!
Slopes (differences) aren't likely to be noticed much at 40Hz. Unless you combine and use them both, which is a no-no. Most music is rolled off at 40 anyway.
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I wonder what the slopes are for each crossover - integrated vs sub. More research!
I had one other thought on the crossovers. I assume it might be easier to access the sub's knobs than the amp's, so if you want to do a lot of fiddling it might be easier to just use the subs at first.
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I had one other thought on the crossovers. I assume it might be easier to access the sub's knobs than the amp's, so if you want to do a lot of fiddling it might be easier to just use the subs at first.
You'd be right about that, but the crossover points on the integrated are better marked, so there's that. Continuously variable has its drawbacks, especially when only the top and bottom are labeled. If memory serves, the bottom frequency on the HTPS-400 crossover is 50Hz too, while the Parasound dips down to 20Hz. My thought on the slope was that perhaps if one slope was steeper than the other, it might be worth trying each to see which integrates better. The integrated has a 12dB/octave slope, but I'm not finding any information for the slope in the HTPS-400, though it's likely the same.

Like you said though, my plan is start with a 40Hz crossover and proceed from there, if needed.
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You'd be right about that, but the crossover points on the integrated are better marked, so there's that. Continuously variable has its drawbacks, especially when only the top and bottom are labeled. If memory serves, the bottom frequency on the HTPS-400 crossover is 50Hz too, while the Parasound dips down to 20Hz. My thought on the slope was that perhaps if one slope was steeper than the other, it might be worth trying each to see which integrates better. The integrated has a 12dB/octave slope, but I'm not finding any information for the slope in the HTPS-400, though it's likely the same.

Like you said though, my plan is start with a 40Hz crossover and proceed from there, if needed.
Great news on the HTPS400's. I use 40-hz with mine as well.
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The arrays came today. They're fantastic. Pictures do not do justice to the finish on them; so much nicer than I expected. It amuses me that the woofers in my mains are now larger than my subs.
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JBL Studio 220 vs JBL LSR 305

Any idea which is better, from a sound point of view? Cost is roughly the same, although the 220 would require an amp.
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Any idea which is better, from a sound point of view? Cost is roughly the same, although the 220 would require an amp.
I have not heard the 220s, but I have the LSR 305s on my computer desk at home and they are very, very good.
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Slopes (differences) aren't likely to be noticed much at 40Hz. Unless you combine and use them both, which is a no-no. Most music is rolled off at 40 anyway.
What I like best so far is running the Arrays full range and no sub at all, which surprises me. I have not gone to the trouble yet of level matching the sub though, but in my first tests I could barely tell it was there.

Do you bi-amp yours? Mine were mistakenly shipped without the terminal bridges, so I just made some out of speaker wire, but it got me thinking...
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What I like best so far is running the Arrays full range and no sub at all, which surprises me. I have not gone to the trouble yet of level matching the sub though, but in my first tests I could barely tell it was there.

Do you bi-amp yours? Mine were mistakenly shipped without the terminal bridges, so I just made some out of speaker wire, but it got me thinking...
Any attempt at bi-amp should be a true bi-amp with external active crossovers and the like, otherwise don't bother. I agree they are pretty strong at 40 Hz, the only time I really hear much benefit from a sub at 40Hz is organ music or the like - with sustained LF. If you raise that to 60 or 80 you'll give your amp more headroom. Just enjoy them for now, they really don't need much help.
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Any attempt at bi-amp should be a true bi-amp with external active crossovers and the like, otherwise don't bother.
From looking at the technical documents on them, it looks like the low and high frequency drivers have separate internal crossovers, so you could actually bi-amp. Here's the diagram:




And when I say bi-amp, I mean another amplifier for the other section, not all from one amp.

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From looking at the technical documents on them, it looks like the low and high frequency drivers have separate internal crossovers, so you could actually bi-amp. Here's the diagram:


And when I say bi-amp, I mean another amplifier for the other section, not all from one amp.
But all you're doing is adding more power, and still using the same passive electronics.
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But all you're doing is adding more power, and still using the same passive electronics.
Right, but I thought the reason this was useless with normal speakers was because they don't divide the HF and LF sections, so you'd be sending all the power through the same board.
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Hi, does anyone here own a JBL 235c center speaker?
If so, how does it compare with the rest of the Studio 2 series speakers?

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I have a 235C that I am very happy with. I have a mix of Studio 2 and Studio 5, so I can't make the comparison you want. Of course, it matches my 230s. My primary use is for movies, and for this purpose, any mismatch with the 590s is so minimal that I have gotten used to it, that is if there actually is any. With this center, I can understand all the dialog in a movie, and this was my goal. When I get in a purist mood for music, I do not use the center, and the 590s provide a very nice center image.

The one thing that surprises many people is the size. This is a very large center, so make sure you have room for it.

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Hi guys,

I'm choosing between L80 ('96) and much newer ('07) and cheaper ES90.

This is international model of L80, sold only in Europe as far as I know, so don't know if you guys in US really had a chance to listen to it
https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_li.../l80-int.shtml

Release price of L80 was 3400 deutche marks = 1700 euros, while ES90 was retailed for around 650 euros.
https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_li...jbl/es90.shtml

Any comment would be highly appreciated!
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Has anyone compared the 235C to the 520C center speaker? I know the 520C has much smaller drivers. But which is beefier?
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Has anyone compared the 235C to the 520C center speaker? I know the 520C has much smaller drivers. But which is beefier?
I own the 520C and have only heard the 235C in short demos at a local store. With the bigger cabinet and woofers, I guess the 235C might edge out the 520C on the lower registers of what a center might do. But, I can tell you, they put a little magic in the 520. Sounds way bigger than it actually is. The horn gives it so much body and presence. Audyssey gave mine a 40Hz crossover out of the box. If it's a better match for your setup, I don't think you would be let down at all.

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Hello everyone. I just wanted to stop by and introduce myself as a new member of the JBL family. I am rapidly becoming a JBL fanboy. I have JBL headphones, Bluetooth speaker, and in my car, but this is my first JBL home speakers. I went out and got a pair of 590's and a 580 for my center. I came away from B&W for these and have no regrets.
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Hi guys,

I'm choosing between L80 ('96) and much newer ('07) and cheaper ES90.

This is international model of L80, sold only in Europe as far as I know, so don't know if you guys in US really had a chance to listen to it
https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_li.../l80-int.shtml

Release price of L80 was 3400 deutche marks = 1700 euros, while ES90 was retailed for around 650 euros.
https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_li...jbl/es90.shtml

Any comment would be highly appreciated!
That L80 is unknown to us in the USA, but it appears on paper to have superior drivers and cabinetry. The ES90 is a cheaper mass-market model that is also outdated. I'd expect the 2x 8" woofers of the ES90 to deliver stronger bass than the L80, but mids and highs to be less clear than the L80.

If I had to buy one of them without auditioning, the L80 would be my pick.
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