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I was lucky to receive my 590s delivered via freight. They arrived in perfect condition. With freight shipping, the padding was sufficient since it's handled way less.
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I got my 580s second-hand a couple of months ago (bought in France) and the seller told me they arrived with small damages as well!

Anyways, I'm here because although I'm really happy with the speakers, I just don't know what amp to pick. At the moment they're running an a small Calss D amp that really doesn't sound amazing and I need advice.

I just pre-purchased an Onkyo TX-8270, but I didn't do much research on Onkyo prior to the order and I heard a few things here and there that weren't totally reassuring. So the shop offer to swap for a different amp as they don't have stock and don't know when they'll do.

The HDMI inputs and the amount of physical inputs while offering a good range of "connected" functions (DLNA, Airplay, etc...) is what I was looking for to simplify my setup. However, this might not be a an option anymore, but the shop offered to swap for something that has very similar feautre, but is a Class D amp as opposed to an A/B.

Is anybody running the 580s with a class D amp here? I was tempted to go towards A/B amps to make the speakers sounds warmer, am I a fool/noob/cretin to think this'll make a noteable difference?

Any input will help! Thanks guys, Greg.
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I got my 580s second-hand a couple of months ago (bought in France) and the seller told me they arrived with small damages as well!



Anyways, I'm here because although I'm really happy with the speakers, I just don't know what amp to pick. At the moment they're running an a small Calss D amp that really doesn't sound amazing and I need advice.



I just pre-purchased an Onkyo TX-8270, but I didn't do much research on Onkyo prior to the order and I heard a few things here and there that weren't totally reassuring. So the shop offer to swap for a different amp as they don't have stock and don't know when they'll do.



The HDMI inputs and the amount of physical inputs while offering a good range of "connected" functions (DLNA, Airplay, etc...) is what I was looking for to simplify my setup. However, this might not be a an option anymore, but the shop offered to swap for something that has very similar feautre, but is a Class D amp as opposed to an A/B.



Is anybody running the 580s with a class D amp here? I was tempted to go towards A/B amps to make the speakers sounds warmer, am I a fool/noob/cretin to think this'll make a noteable difference?



Any input will help! Thanks guys, Greg.


I tried my 590s with a small NAD D 3020 and they sounded great. Warmer than my Outlaw Audio 975/5000 combo.

Some speakers don't sound all that different on different amps but the JBLs definitely do.


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got a pair of 590s last year on amazon during the sale, arrived with damaged feet, emailed the seller and got refunded $220, $780 for the pair... not bad lol
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I must have been lucky. I got a pair of 590s through Amazon Prime a year and a half ago, and they were double boxed with the inner box suspended in Styrofoam blocks. The outer boxes were a destroyed, but the inner box was untouched. The 590s were in perfect shape. The secret is proper packing. They know this! Why aren't they doing proper packing?

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I got my 580s second-hand a couple of months ago (bought in France) and the seller told me they arrived with small damages as well!

Anyways, I'm here because although I'm really happy with the speakers, I just don't know what amp to pick. At the moment they're running an a small Calss D amp that really doesn't sound amazing and I need advice.

I just pre-purchased an Onkyo TX-8270, but I didn't do much research on Onkyo prior to the order and I heard a few things here and there that weren't totally reassuring. So the shop offer to swap for a different amp as they don't have stock and don't know when they'll do.

The HDMI inputs and the amount of physical inputs while offering a good range of "connected" functions (DLNA, Airplay, etc...) is what I was looking for to simplify my setup. However, this might not be a an option anymore, but the shop offered to swap for something that has very similar feautre, but is a Class D amp as opposed to an A/B.

Is anybody running the 580s with a class D amp here? I was tempted to go towards A/B amps to make the speakers sounds warmer, am I a fool/noob/cretin to think this'll make a noteable difference?

Any input will help! Thanks guys, Greg.
I originally had my 580s hooked up to a Sony STR-DN860, which I believe uses class D amps. Never really liked the sound. I pulled my old HK 3490 out of the closet, hooked that up, and it made a world of difference. Also tried an older Emotiva preamp and amp (class AB) with them, also much better than the Sony.

There may be some good class D amps out there (I'd try one of the new NAD models, but haven't), but I haven't heard them yet.
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I tried my 590s with a small NAD D 3020 and they sounded great. Warmer than my Outlaw Audio 975/5000 combo.

Some speakers don't sound all that different on different amps but the JBLs definitely do.
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I originally had my 580s hooked up to a Sony STR-DN860, which I believe uses class D amps. Never really liked the sound. I pulled my old HK 3490 out of the closet, hooked that up, and it made a world of difference. Also tried an older Emotiva preamp and amp (class AB) with them, also much better than the Sony.

There may be some good class D amps out there (I'd try one of the new NAD models, but haven't), but I haven't heard them yet.
Thank you gentlemen! That's comforting!

I was hesitating between an Onkyo TX-8270 and a Pioneer SX-S30D but I'll stick to my original choice!
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Finally scored a budget pair of S38 from family. These are for secondary listening through an echo dot.

What power RMS is a good average target?
Found a little Lepy 20 watt 2ch amp.
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Does the EC35 look comparable to the Balboa center?
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Does the EC35 look comparable to the Balboa center?
Superior to the Balboa. EC35 is a 3-way, Balboa is 2-way.
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Finally scored a budget pair of S38 from family. These are for secondary listening through an echo dot.

What power RMS is a good average target?
Found a little Lepy 20 watt 2ch amp.
JBL's recommended maximum power is 175 Watts. Of course, you could hook them up to a 1000 Watt amplifier and just avoid turning it up too high so you don't fry the networks and/or the drivers, but what fun would that be?

For your "average target," I'd go with an amp in the 100W/ch to 120W/ch range, which would easily drive them in its mid-range power band. Twenty Watts seems like asking for trouble, unless you NEVER turn it up too loud. More drivers are ruined by clipping caused by an underpowered amp driven beyond its capability than by too much power.

My target for a pair of S38s would be an amp with 150-200W/ch, which I would never turn up beyond 2/3 of the volume knob.

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I have been lurking around here for awhile and its about time for me to post some pics.

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Thats what i have for now but i have this idea to change the horns and drivers for jbl SAM1 HF
Or change the LCR completely, i like what i have but it can always be better
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I have been lurking around here for awhile and its about time for me to post some pics.

LCR, Jbl 2226 in sealed cabs (140L) and B&C DE750 in Emilar horn
LS/RS, Jbl 8340, i have 2 more but space is an issue.
Subs Jbl 4645C


Thats what i have for now but i have this idea to change the horns and drivers for jbl SAM1 HF
Or change the LCR completely, i like what i have but it can always be better
You wouldn't be disappointed in the SAM1HF, not for a second. Whether it would be a big change from what you have is an open question. the verticle orientation does seem to play nice with HT. The LF boxes you have seem to be just what's needed.

How do you like the blending of the 8340's with the fronts?

Very nice setup.
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You wouldn't be disappointed in the SAM1HF, not for a second. Whether it would be a big change from what you have is an open question. the verticle orientation does seem to play nice with HT. The LF boxes you have seem to be just what's needed.

How do you like the blending of the 8340's with the fronts?

Very nice setup.
I have only been listening on Array series and i realy liked them, thats the same horn?
That they are vertical is good if you dont want to spread sound all over the place.


Well, they are like ten times to big for this room but the blend is good.
The directivity is not that good cause of the short distance but Dirac straighten things up.

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I have only been listening on Array series and i realy liked them, thats the same horn?
Yes, everything is identical.

As long as you have a handle on the early reflections the room size isn't such a big deal. The only "issue" with the Array horns and drivers is that they tend to suffer compression at ear-splitting levels. But its not unpleasant, they just don't get any louder. Mainly an issue for music at 120db levels, but zero distortion at any levels.
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Yes, everything is identical.

As long as you have a handle on the early reflections the room size isn't such a big deal. The only "issue" with the Array horns and drivers is that they tend to suffer compression at ear-splitting levels. But its not unpleasant, they just don't get any louder. Mainly an issue for music at 120db levels, but zero distortion at any levels.
The early reflexes are already treated and the emilar horn have a dispersion at 90x40 and there i have a concern.
With SAM i might have to do something with the ceiling witch is already pretty low.

Im gonna check out M2 soon and mayby 4367 if i can find any store who has them.
But the again M2 spreads pretty wide/high

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JBL 3677 Discontinued

JBL 3677 discontinued. I visited the JBL Pro website today and the JBL 3677 has been moved from the cinema section to the vintage category.
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Amazon Prime JBL 580s for 260$ apiece (520$ for the pair) and a JBL 550P sub for 190$.
All new and fulfilled by Amazon, how did I do?
gonna either pair the sub with KEF Q100s and a Marantz SR6006 in our TV setup, or replace ancient Infinity speakers in our living room with the 580s driven by a Yamaha AS801 amp.

Or make the whole TV setup JBL, will mix and match and see, TV room has terrible space and positioning limitations, so that's why it isn't so clearcut to me without practical experience.
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I recently picked up three of these gems for $100 each (normally about $1k) http://www.jblpro.com/ProductAttachm..._95-082016.pdf.
The reason they were so cheap is that the woofers were blown. I replaced each of them for about $80. Each one gets there own channel of a QSC GX5. These little speakers sound really good and can play insanely loud. I love JBL pro stuff.
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Black friday deals?

For those of you who may have been shopping for JBL during last year's black friday/cyber monday, were there decent discounts on JBL speakers? I'm specifically looking at the studio 230/235 and wondering if it'd be worth it to wait until Nov. Thanks!
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For those of you who may have been shopping for JBL during last year's black friday/cyber monday, were there decent discounts on JBL speakers? I'm specifically looking at the studio 230/235 and wondering if it'd be worth it to wait until Nov. Thanks!
I have both of those, and they are great. Since they have been getting scarce and are not always available, you might want to get them while the gettin' is good.

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I have both of those, and they are great. Since they have been getting scarce and are not always available, you might want to get them while the gettin' is good.
Yeah I've noticed that! Probably scarce chance of good deals in Nov with such high demand...
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I recently picked up three of these gems for $100 each (normally about $1k) http://www.jblpro.com/ProductAttachm..._95-082016.pdf.
The reason they were so cheap is that the woofers were blown. I replaced each of them for about $80. Each one gets there own channel of a QSC GX5. These little speakers sound really good and can play insanely loud. I love JBL pro stuff.
I like how JBL give the off-axis frequency response, both horizontally and vertically, in the datasheet. I wish all speaker manufacturers would do that. Where do you buy speakers with blown woofers? I wouldn't mind repairing in-walls to use as surround speakers.

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ive had jbl 230s for a couple weeks and really like these.
wondering if, other than bass, what sound differences there are between these and the 580/590 towers.
thinking about replacing my current main setup with those
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ive had jbl 230s for a couple weeks and really like these.
wondering if, other than bass, what sound differences there are between these and the 580/590 towers.
thinking about replacing my current main setup with those
What sounds good is subjective and dependent on the room, so in my opinion, my 590s are a step up from my 230s. The 590 towers seem to have a much fuller sound and a more even frequency response curve. I have never used the 230s for front mains, but did try them in the surround position where they were very good. Since I already had a pair of ES90 towers to use for surrounds, and needed overhead speakers, I ended up with the 230s in the front height position where they are excellent. If you can pick up a set of 590s, you will not be disappointed.

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I am wondering if someone can help me decide on some ceiling speakers to complete an Atmos setup. I have a pair of L880s for L/R, LC1 for center, just found a pair of L830s I'm going to use as surrounds (has LS360Cs in previous house where bookshelfs or towers wouldn't have worked) and an ES250P sub. Wondering if I should try to find some L series ceilings to match the series or if going with one of the newer models should work fine, either the Arena or Studio 2s. As they will be in an atmos setup the primary use will be movies/TV and very light games and some music, although the 880s handle music on their own just fine.
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Assist needed on JBL 4722N purchase

Hello fellow enthusiasts and happy Friday! I am strongly leaning towards upgrading my current set up with a pair of JBL 4722N's (and I blame this forum for that!). However, I came across these locally and emailed the seller for a comparison and he did not have much information as he was not familiar with the 4722N's. I would greatly appreciate and input on which is the "better" speaker. In regard to cost, the used price is comparable to the new price of a set of 4722-N's. Thanks in advance! I have also attached a pic of the used speakers in question.

JBL 4648A-8 dual 15" VGC low frequency cabinets combined with 2352 Optimized Aperture horns outfitted with the powerful 2447H titanium diaphragm compression drivers.
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I am wondering if someone can help me decide on some ceiling speakers to complete an Atmos setup. I have a pair of L880s for L/R, LC1 for center, just found a pair of L830s I'm going to use as surrounds (has LS360Cs in previous house where bookshelfs or towers wouldn't have worked) and an ES250P sub. Wondering if I should try to find some L series ceilings to match the series or if going with one of the newer models should work fine, either the Arena or Studio 2s. As they will be in an atmos setup the primary use will be movies/TV and very light games and some music, although the 880s handle music on their own just fine.
I see it's been a month and no one with the 800 series has answered you. Obviously, if you can find more 830s they would make excellent Atmos speakers to add to your other 800 series speakers.

Since the 800, 500, and 200 series have become scarce, it has become difficult to expand within the same series. I faced the same dilemma. When adding to my 590s, I ended up adding a pair of 230s for front heights for Atmos, and a 235C for Center. In theory it is not a perfect match. Can I tell the difference? I don't know as I am unable to make a comparison. I can tell you that I am happy with my mixed system except for the pair of ES20s that are the rear heights for Atmos. When my budget allows, I will replace those with another pair of 230s. I also have a ES250P that I will someday upgrade to a better sub. There is probably no end to upgrading!

This is all so subjective, that only you can make a decision on just how fussy you want to be in obtaining a perfect match. If you can find a way of listening to the presently available choices, that would be a great help. Otherwise, purchase somewhere that will allow returns if you are not happy.

I am beginning to believe that the constant need to upgrade to the unobtainable perfect system may be listed in the next edition of the DSM as a psychological disorder. They probably already have a name for it, and I know I have this disorder.

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