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post #811 of 824 Old 07-15-2014, 11:05 AM
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i'd like to ask those using their Martin Logan speakers in a dedicated home theater room what AV receiver are they using to power their speakers and if they are using a external amp. I didn't realize when I made my purchase that the motion 40's and 30 are 4ohm rated. I am also getting a pair of lx16 to complete the setup along w/ with my sub.
I'm using a Denon 4520 set to 4ohm and an external 2 channel amp ( Emotiva ) - but only because I'm running 11 speakers. The 4520 was perfectly capable of driving 9 channels ( Martin Logan Motion 40’s ( 2 ), Motion 8 center speaker,Motion FX surrounds ( 4 ), Motion LX16 wides ( 2 ) ) all by itself, to beyond reference levels ( until I get yelled at to " turn it down " ). I add Motion 4 heights ( 2 ) for 11 total. That's the only reason I needed an external amp.

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I wasn't - but I am now. I love my Motion 40's - always call for our price ...
Craig, have you heard a Crescendo demo'd yet?

http://www.martinlogan.com/crescendo

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Craig, have you heard a Crescendo demo'd yet?

http://www.martinlogan.com/crescendo

I have not. Martin Logan is one of my first stops at Cedia this year - I'll be interested to see what they have set up this year ( last year it was 7.4 surround with 7 Electrostatic speakers driven with monoblock amps and a SACD of Dark Side of the Moon - wild - sounded amazing ! ).

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hi Craig I am interested in ML home theater set up, can u pls help?
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The new 60xt and 50xt looks great. Would love to hear how they sound.. Looks like they are competing with the B&W CM9/CM10.
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Anybody know where I can list my Motion 40's and motion 30 to sell at a good price?

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I'm using a Denon 4520 set to 4ohm and an external 2 channel amp ( Emotiva ) - but only because I'm running 11 speakers. The 4520 was perfectly capable of driving 9 channels ( Martin Logan Motion 40’s ( 2 ), Motion 8 center speaker,Motion FX surrounds ( 4 ), Motion LX16 wides ( 2 ) ) all by itself, to beyond reference levels ( until I get yelled at to " turn it down " ). I add Motion 4 heights ( 2 ) for 11 total. That's the only reason I needed an external amp.
thanks for the input. what a great setup you have. If you were to do a 7.1 setup would you go with one pair of fx and one pair of lx16 to match the motion 40's and your motion 8 center? The person setting up my projector, screen, audio, etc is recommending I go with motion 4 instead of lx16. Can't think of any reason to do this if I'm going 7.1 setup. Perhaps if I was going 5.1 setup then one could argue that that there may be an advantage to use the fx instead of lx16 but there's two sides to that argument too.
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For side and rear surrounds, wall mounted, I'd use the Motion FX speakers ( I did ). Unless you have to use speaker stands - then the Motion 15's probably make more sense just from a mounting point of view. I did exactly that for wide channel speakers. I used the Motion 4's for heights so I could wall mount them up high, and angle them down towards the main listening area using wall mount brackets.


You can barely see the heights in this photo - http://www.avsforum.com/photopost/sh...28&cat=2082359


And the other photos show the rest of the room and speakers.

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Does anyone use Martin Logan Ascents?

I can buy a used pair locally for $800, but they are 10 years old. Is there anything I should be wary of? Is $800 a good price to where I could resale them later if I don't like them?

Currently I have Klipsch RF-83's (living room) and Klipsch La Scala II's (theater). The ML would go in place of the RF-83's. I like the punch of the RF-83's and they don't need a sub to shake the couch either. However, I think it'd be neat to try something different. I listen to folk, rock, jazz and blues.

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Does anyone use Martin Logan Ascents?

I can buy a used pair locally for $800, but they are 10 years old. Is there anything I should be wary of? Is $800 a good price to where I could resale them later if I don't like them?

Currently I have Klipsch RF-83's (living room) and Klipsch La Scala II's (theater). The ML would go in place of the RF-83's. I like the punch of the RF-83's and they don't need a sub to shake the couch either. However, I think it'd be neat to try something different. I listen to folk, rock, jazz and blues.
$800 is a good price for used Ascents. It depends a bit on how they were treated. ML panels are considered consumable and 10 years is right about that age when they might need to be replaced. It's entirely possible you could use them for another 10 years as is, you just never know.

I would call ML service and see what a set of new panels would cost just so you know going into it.

Also high current power is important with the MLs much more so than the very efficient Klipschs. While they will sound good with a high power receiver, they really need a power amp to sound great, especially if you want great bass.
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Yea, at that age it's a bit of a gamble. Definitely find out how much replacement panels will be. Can you see them and listen to them in person? Being able to look at how good their physical condition is (scratches, dents, etc) can give you some insight into how well the previous owner treated them. Also, when you listen to them listen carefully to any crackling sounds from the panels. Make sure and listen up and down the full panel front and back of both panels for any problems.
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Thanks. I plan to drive ~100 miles to listen to them and pick them. The seller says they were floor models at Tweeter, and that the speakers are in perfect condition. If I don't hear any crackling, is it worth buying them? I don't want to pay for new panels in 5-6 years. Is 15-16 years asking too much out of them?

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Yea, at that age it's a bit of a gamble. Definitely find out how much replacement panels will be. Can you see them and listen to them in person? Being able to look at how good their physical condition is (scratches, dents, etc) can give you some insight into how well the previous owner treated them. Also, when you listen to them listen carefully to any crackling sounds from the panels. Make sure and listen up and down the full panel front and back of both panels for any problems.

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So, I asked for the serial number on the panels and called ML. They panels were built in 9/2000! I also asked ML about lifespan and they stated that degradation does happen and it's typical to have panel degradation you can hear after 15 years. Then I asked how much are new panels and they told me $1639 + $75 shipping!?! Wow! I was prepared to spend another $500 for like new performance, but $1713?!?

Sadly, I cancelled the deal as it's not worth the risk given the Ascents are $800. If they were $400 or less I'd risk it and try to refurbish them later as needed, but...

I really appreciate your guys' help on this. I asked the same thing at ML forum and no one talked about panel degradation!

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Ah that stinks. Good job on the pre-purchase research. A lot of people get burned by not taking the time to ask the right questions. Keep up the search. Keep looking at places like audiogon and keep asking for serial numbers to verify age. You can also sometimes find good deals on Craigslist. I've seen some unbelievable deals on MLs through estate sales where people didn't know what they had.
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