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I haven't heard either but I'd go with the Ethos over the Ascent I. The Ascent I are a bit older and they're from the era of stats that the panels eventually fail and cost a lot to replace. Also the newer ones the panel and woofer integrate better from what I understand.


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Hello everyone,

It's all about ML speakers, and I apologize if I post it in the wrong place.

My system bought more than 10 years ago...
Front: ML SL3, Center: ML Cinema, Rear: ML Script, SW: Rel Storm III.
AMP: Classe CAV-150, Preamp/Pro: Classe SSP-25.

Recently I replaced SSP-25 with Marantz SR7008, I only use pre-out on the SR7008.
and while reconnecting and setup I found out that the center channel is bi amped.
I know nothing to very little about HT, I just reconnected all the necessary cables like the man who sold me the system.

During reading avsforum I understand a little bit about bi amp, that's how I found out about my center channel has been bi amped.

My question is should I use the CAV-150 to power the FL, FR, Center, as it can be set to either use 6 channels or 3 channels, and use the SR7008 to power the two rear channels?
Will bi amp makes those ML speakers perform better?

Thank you all for your time.


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Hello everyone,

It's all about ML speakers, and I apologize if I post it in the wrong place.

My system bought more than 10 years ago...
Front: ML SL3, Center: ML Cinema, Rear: ML Script, SW: Rel Storm III.
AMP: Classe CAV-150, Preamp/Pro: Classe SSP-25.

Recently I replaced SSP-25 with Marantz SR7008, I only use pre-out on the SR7008.
and while reconnecting and setup I found out that the center channel is bi amped.
I know nothing to very little about HT, I just reconnected all the necessary cables like the man who sold me the system.

During reading avsforum I understand a little bit about bi amp, that's how I found out about my center channel has been bi amped.

My question is should I use the CAV-150 to power the FL, FR, Center, as it can be set to either use 6 channels or 3 channels, and use the SR7008 to power the two rear channels?
Will bi amp makes those ML speakers perform better?

Thank you all for your time.


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Hi Jim,

You will get differing opinions on bi-amping and bi-wiring depending on who you ask so here's mine. One thing to keep in mind is that you would be passively bi-amping. Basically, you might be able to get a little bit more volume, but unless you are pushing the limits of what your amp can handle, no you will not get any benefit. Because you are still relying on the internal crossover, the drivers will be getting the exact se signal that they would get without bi-amping.
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Thank you simp1

Now I understand a bit better so I think I just keep the current settings, 5 channels using the amp and use the pre-out from SR7008. Perhaps add more speakers in the near future.
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The SL3's are bi-amp compatible but the Cinema isn't that I know of. Got pics of the back of it?


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Having a hard time deciding between two ML electrostatic towers. Thought best to ask the ones most familiar with ML speakers

I am trying to decide between the Martin Logan Ascent i and the Martin Logan Ethos. I found a great deal for both of them, but having a hard time choosing. Both are being sold for about half of MSRP (ascent i dark cherry -$2000, Ethos - $3600). Both are in excellent condition and come with everything, no scratches, damage, etc.

Can anyone give me advice regarding these two?
I have a pair of SL3 in mint condition I will sell... they are a step up from the Ascent I. I would keep them but I have no room for them hence the picture of them in our shop.
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Glad to say I can finally join this club. It's all Craigslist's fault really, I was mulling around for a reciever and came across some old Scenarios for too good a deal to pass up. Those got me researching which resulted in my buying some ESL's and putting the Scenarios back on Craigslist (still trying to sell them). Now I'm on the hunt for a Motif X and some FX2's, maybe some day a Descent, who knows.

I've been a fan since I sold them 10 years ago, but never thought I'd be in a position to afford them. It's slow going, piece by piece, but I'm getting there.

Wouldn't mind some advice while I'm at it. I bought a NAD T-758 to drive these hungry buggers, but I've been largely disappointed in its performance. Now I'm looking at an Emotiva XPA-5 and UMC 200 hoping the more appropriate wattage will help me out (plus adding center and surrounds of course). I know this is 'generally' heading in the right direction, but any specific direction I can get to save me from spending further money on the wrong items, would be appreciated.

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How exactly are you disappointed in the performance? How big is your room? An XPA-5 will just make them louder. If you have the room you should use the Scenarios as surrounds and the FX2's for back surrounds if you keep your NAD.

I used to use an old Marantz receiver that has the same wattage as your NAD and later added a Marantz MM9000 amp (slightly less power than a XPA-5) and it was only just a tad bit louder than the receiver. A tad bit more dynamic but everything else was the same really.


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.. I came across ... some ESL's and ... bought a NAD T-758 to drive these hungry buggers, but I've been largely disappointed in its performance. Now I'm looking at an Emotiva XPA-5 and UMC 200 hoping the more appropriate wattage will help ...
Sounds like a fun hunt you're working on, and you'll get some good ideas here. But before anyone can help a whole bunch, you might need to describe your room geometry, cubic feet, surfaces, and the length and gauge of the speaker wires you are running. Not knowing any of that won't stop us from "helping", but it sure will help. ✌️

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The SL3's are bi-amp compatible but the Cinema isn't that I know of. Got pics of the back of it?
What he did was bridged CAV-150's channel 3 and 4, and he connected Cinema's "+" to channel 3 "+" & Cinema's "-" to channel 4 "+".
I don't know if I explained correctly. Perhaps I misunderstand completely the whole thing about bi-amp!
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I have ML Edge for fronts, center and Motion R's for surround. Just received my new Yamaha 3040. These two systems do so well together.
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Need advice on buying ML from third party (unauthorized) sellers

Hello folks,

I'm not a current ML owner, but want to be one! I just asked a question here at the speaker forum (with the title: "Need advice on buying from unauthorized dealer"), and your help would be really appreciated
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I'm not a current ML owner, but want to be one! I just asked a question here at the speaker forum (with the title: "Need advice on buying from unauthorized dealer"), and your help would be really appreciated
I answered in your other thread.

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Er, um, unauthorized dealers are great until you need warranty service. You don't get any ML warranty coverage at all when you buy ML product from an unauthorized dealer. That's the major elephant in the room buying product that way.

Last time I checked, forum sponsor AV Science (see Mike and and Craig Peer's recent emails) is an authorized ML dealer. Their service, support and pricing are excellent. There is really no incentive to roll the dice on an unauthorized dealer, even a "good one".

My new Stage-X arrived several months back with a major issue. That's rare, but it can happen. AV Science handled everything without question, and a brand new one, fully functional Stage-X arrived asap.

If I'd rolled the dice on an unauthorized dealer to buy that speaker, the experience would have been painful and expensive, instead of painless and free. I'd at least PM or call the AV Science guys, confirm they are authorized, and check what they can do for you. It'll take 5 minutes. Better to know than guess. My guess is you'll come out ahead in every way if you do that.

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Er, um, unauthorized dealers are great until you need warranty service. You don't get any ML warranty coverage at all when you buy ML product from an unauthorized dealer. That's the major elephant in the room buying product that way.

Last time I checked, forum sponsor AV Science (see Mike and and Craig Peer's recent emails) is an authorized ML dealer. Their service, support and pricing are excellent. There is really no incentive to roll the dice on an unauthorized dealer, even a "good one".

My new Stage-X arrived several months back with a major issue. That's rare, but it can happen. AV Science handled everything without question, and a brand new one, fully functional Stage-X arrived asap.

If I'd rolled the dice on an unauthorized dealer to buy that speaker, the experience would have been painful and expensive, instead of painless and free. I'd at least PM or call the AV Science guys, confirm they are authorized, and check what they can do for you. It'll take 5 minutes. Better to know than guess. My guess is you'll come out ahead in every way if you do that.

We now return you to your regular programming.

Thanks. Besides being authorized dealers, I bought a full 11 channels worth on Martin Logan speakers for my own home theater. Give us a call to discuss, or, if you are in the Northern California area ( where I'm based out of ), you are more than welcome to come demo the Motion Series speakers in my home theater.

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