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I just can't see the C2 being better then my theater. Even the workers at ML some say the theater was the best channel they ever made.


I guess I could buy a mic. Any suggestion on fully what I need
I didn't say it was better, I said its voice matched to the Electromotion ESL's. There's gotta be something wrong with that center. Are u sure its powering up? You should have no problem hearing voices out of that thing.
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So I was doing some 2 channel listening last night just messing around with placement.

I kept getting the soundstage pulled mostly towards my left speaker.

I'm wondering if the sofit above the left one is give me a unbalanced sound
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Do you have a sound level meter. All your speakers should be set at 75db. If you haven't set your sound levels, its going to sound off. You set the levels after you run audyssey.
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Will give this a shot this weekend for sure
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Holiday,if you haven't level matched your speakers with an SPL to see where they are at,that's your problem right there. You can get a radio shack spl or get one off amazon. It doesn't hurt to turn the speaker level on the center channel up a few db's also. I just use dolby volume,that works great.
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Holiday,if you haven't level matched your speakers with an SPL to see where they are at,that's your problem right there. You can get a radio shack spl or get one off amazon. It doesn't hurt to turn the speaker level on the center channel up a few db's also. I just use dolby volume,that works great.


I spent a good 2 hours experimenting with different settings on my Denon 4520. I have that age old problem of some hearing loss, a younger wife with better ears that doesn't like movies too loud - and finding that balance so that dialog is clear and strong. With some folks complaining " it's too loud " during movies, it can be a challenge. Plus, some movie mixes just plain have the surrounds mixed too loud in some scenes. Boosting the center, " dialog enhance ", or what I'm currently using when friends that don't like loud movies come over - Dynamic EQ with a 5db offset ( without Dynamic Vol. - I don't like that on ). Pick a couple of Blu Rays, and do some experimenting. Costs nothing but a little time. I also used a big police flashlight to make sure my fronts / wides and center speaker were lined up and pointed where they should be ( before re-running Audyssey ). It's all paid off in a much more immersive and enjoyable surround sound experience for everybody !!
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... I have that age old problem of a younger wife ...
Poor you. Sounds awful. ;-)


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Maybe when he says younger,she is a year younger Its weird,I don't like Dynamic EQ on,it doesn't sound much different,just boosts the bass. Dynamic volume on light sounds great at low volumes,but the rears are a lot more active. Dialog is clear. I have a feeling,different receivers might utilize these features differently. I have an Onk 818. I like watching tv with Dolby Volume,movies with just audyssey on Movie..
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Maybe when he says younger,she is a year younger Its weird,I don't like Dynamic EQ on,it doesn't sound much different,just boosts the bass. Dynamic volume on light sounds great at low volumes,but the rears are a lot more active. Dialog is clear. I have a feeling,different receivers might utilize these features differently. I have an Onk 818. I like watching tv with Dolby Volume,movies with just audyssey on Movie..

I like more bass maybe. Different receivers, different rooms with different room treatments ( or lack thereof ) = different results. Which is why it pays to sit down for 2 or 3 hours and really experiment with settings. And my wife is 14 years younger than me.


Talk about a loud soundtrack that my wife will hate no matter what I do - " John Wick " totally rocked last night ( it was ' boys night " with the volume UP ) !!

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You cradle robber you! Kudo's! The way my room is,I can't really use room treatments. Its open on one side and a sliding glass door on the other. John Wick is an awesome movie! Don't screw with a man's dog!
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Are you able to get the soundstage from your MLs to the center with one side opeb
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Yes, , I actually get a really good sound stage. Also, the one thing that I like about the C2 center, is the punch it has. nice and clear.
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Curious,do all you guys use the flashlight technique to adjust your speaker toe in or do you go against the grain and tow it in differently. What works for you?
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I toe in more than that, otherwise the soundstage gets muddled with my front wides.

I think it depends on speaker setup and room layout.

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I might toe mine in more also. I just hate re running XT32 all the time.. lol
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Sorry guys been doing 14 hour work days. Have not had time to test only plan new things ehhh.

I was thinking of redoing my front screen wall behind my els and using roxul treat the whole wall
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last time I heard ML was over 10 years ago, they needed 300+watts to sound great and they did sound like heaven. now I see the have conventional/xl/motion models. do these new conventional box style speakers for ML need same kind of power to sound great? are they as open and airy as their panel/hybrid speakers?
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last time I heard ML was over 10 years ago, they needed 300+watts to sound great and they did sound like heaven. now I see the have conventional/xl/motion models. do these new conventional box style speakers for ML need same kind of power to sound great? are they as open and airy as their panel/hybrid speakers?
https://www.martinlogan.com/motionSeries/specs.php

Some of the towers are at 94db. They dont need much to drive them. They do not sound the same as the ESL panels. But IMO they are a better choice for HT applications.

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