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I find it highly suspicious that two different speakers of completely different physics share the same voice. As good as ML speakers are, I would not mix and match the electrostatics with AMT designs. Both are great speakers but differ greatly with presentation. Ive heard about everything ML makes. In a HT setup it should be one or the other.
Tempting though the Motiv X is, I think you have a point. I'm thinking of heading down the 2 system route and buying a Motion 30 to match my Motion 40/Motion 20 system, and keeping my Theos as a dedicated 2 channel system for music.
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Tempting though the Motiv X is, I think you have a point. I'm thinking of heading down the 2 system route and buying a Motion 30 to match my Motion 40/Motion 20 system, and keeping my Theos as a dedicated 2 channel system for music.
Very wise. The Theos may be the ultimate choice for a 2 channel setup. It is one of my favorite ML speakers. I do not like active amps in my speakers. If the amp goes then the speaker is dead in the water. The Theos, being their highest offering w/o the electronics is a reliable and excellent sounding speaker. The only exception I would consider is the Neolith. I would risk the gamble if I could afford that model.

Also, from my experience, the Theos pairs very well with NAD, Simaudio and even better w/ Mcintosh. Mcintosh + ML = silk panels!
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Very wise. The Theos may be the ultimate choice for a 2 channel setup. It is one of my favorite ML speakers. I do not like active amps in my speakers. If the amp goes then the speaker is dead in the water. The Theos, being their highest offering w/o the electronics is a reliable and excellent sounding speaker. The only exception I would consider is the Neolith. I would risk the gamble if I could afford that model.

Also, from my experience, the Theos pairs very well with NAD, Simaudio and even better w/ Mcintosh. Mcintosh + ML = silk panels!
I'm thinking of using this little beast to power the Theos, IF my good friends at the dealer will lend me one for a couple of days to check it out. I've heard it powering quite a range of speakers, but no MLs. It runs about $2800 Canadian.

http://www.bc-acoustique.com/en/inde...mart&Itemid=40
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I'm thinking of using this little beast to power the Theos, IF my good friends at the dealer will lend me one for a couple of days to check it out. I've heard it powering quite a range of speakers, but no MLs. It runs about $2800 Canadian.

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That unit kind of resembles this:
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Ive heard some good things about it. Have never heard it though.

The Neolith driven by Mcintosh was awe inspiring!

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Hmm. I was quite satisfied with my Theos until I saw that.

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I am looking at buying a pair of motion 2 speakers. The speakers are shown as new which I do not doubt. I noticed though, that they were manufactured in 2010. Do any of the forum members know if there have been any changes in design or manufacturing of these speakers from 2010 to now? Is there anything I should be aware of when considering the purchase of these speakers, given the date of manufacture?

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I am looking at buying a pair of motion 2 speakers. The speakers are shown as new which I do not doubt. I noticed though, that they were manufactured in 2010. Do any of the forum members know if there have been any changes in design or manufacturing of these speakers from 2010 to now? Is there anything I should be aware of when considering the purchase of these speakers, given the date of manufacture?

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A quick look on Amazon this morning shows that the Motion 2 selling for $199 each ... the Amazon page indicates it's a discontinued speaker, but the ML website does not.

You may want to consider spending another $40 on each speaker and get the MartinLogan LX16s instead ... I've heard the LX16 side by side with the Motion 4, and the difference is night and day ... the LX16 has a much fuller sound - it's a lot more speaker for the money.

Motion 4 ... weighs 4 lbs ... frequency response specs: 110Hz to 25,000 Hz

LX16 ....... weighs 12 lbs ... frequency response specs: 60Hz to 25,000 Hz

The much beefier, sturdier cabinet allows the LX16 (it's the earlier version of the Motion 15, but essentially the same speaker) to deliver some of the bass frequencies, while the Motion 2 can't venture into that territory.

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Good catch, Tom. The LX16 is way more speaker than the $40 difference in the price.

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I just purchased 4 motion 2s to use as atmos speakers . Got them cheap hopefully they sound good.
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Question of the day.
Most of the ML product is very good and worth keeping decades into the future.
So, how long will ML support a speaker? If something fails how long can one expect to get service?
If the electronics / power supply fail how long can you breathe easy knowing there is support?.

There are a lot of companies that dont repair/replace anything outside of warranty. JL/REL and some others for instance, will turn into paperweights if they fail 5 years down the road.

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Usually new 5 year warranty I believe
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A quick look on Amazon this morning shows that the Motion 2 selling for $199 each ... the Amazon page indicates it's a discontinued speaker, but the ML website does not.

You may want to consider spending another $40 on each speaker and get the MartinLogan LX16s instead ... I've heard the LX16 side by side with the Motion 4, and the difference is night and day ... the LX16 has a much fuller sound - it's a lot more speaker for the money.

Motion 4 ... weighs 4 lbs ... frequency response specs: 110Hz to 25,000 Hz

LX16 ....... weighs 12 lbs ... frequency response specs: 60Hz to 25,000 Hz

The much beefier, sturdier cabinet allows the LX16 (it's the earlier version of the Motion 15, but essentially the same speaker) to deliver some of the bass frequencies, while the Motion 2 can't venture into that territory.

If that's not enough, check out the binding posts on the Motion 15 / LX16 :
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I was planning on getting two Motion 4s this weekend for front R/L, but seeing your post hast just made me go back and reconsider my decision.

I considered the Motion 4s because of their size and I thought they would look ok mounting them to the wall. How would the Lx16 look wall mounted?

Is the only difference between these two the fact that LX16 can go down to 60Hz vs 110Hz ? If this is the case, can my SVS PB-1000 compensate?

I currently have a Yamaha RX-V679, will it be able to power the LX16?

Should I go with the Motion 4s or LX16? lol
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For fronts I would say lx16. More power the better for fronts.
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Question of the day.
Most of the ML product is very good and worth keeping decades into the future.
So, how long will ML support a speaker? If something fails how long can one expect to get service?
If the electronics / power supply fail how long can you breathe easy knowing there is support?.

There are a lot of companies that dont repair/replace anything outside of warranty. JL/REL and some others for instance, will turn into paperweights if they fail 5 years down the road.
Martin Logan does a great job of support long after the warranty dies. Quick example a guys electro panel died and he wanted to,replace the film himself ML sold him the film and included instructions to fix it. He also could have sent the speaker back for refurb. I love my Logan's like you would like the Neoliths but besides outside the budget don't have the room, but the new Renisannces look great.
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Martin Logan does a great job of support long after the warranty dies. Quick example a guys electro panel died and he wanted to,replace the film himself ML sold him the film and included instructions to fix it. He also could have sent the speaker back for refurb. I love my Logan's like you would like the Neoliths but besides outside the budget don't have the room, but the new Renisannces look great.
Good to know.
I was unaware of the renaissance. It does look excellent. Im unsure why the publications are calling it a flagship. The Neolith is their top offering.

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I just bought the Motion 8 Center channel speaker.
I was planning on getting two Motion 4s this weekend for front R/L, but seeing your post hast just made me go back and reconsider my decision.

I considered the Motion 4s because of their size and I thought they would look ok mounting them to the wall. How would the Lx16 look wall mounted?

Is the only difference between these two the fact that LX16 can go down to 60Hz vs 110Hz ? If this is the case, can my SVS PB-1000 compensate?

I currently have a Yamaha RX-V679, will it be able to power the LX16?

Should I go with the Motion 4s or LX16? lol
Yes you can wall mount the LX16 ... the mount would need to be substantial enough for a 12 lb. speaker though. I think the LX16 is a great looking speaker, period ... wherever :-)

Would your PB-1000 sub compensate for the difference between the Motion 4 and the LX16 ... yes, but not very well.
You'd need to set your crossover a little to high IMO. It's not like we're comparing two tower speakers that are both comfortable below, say, 80Hz.
The LX16s will do a much better job with content above 100-110Hz, I'd imagine.

The LX16s, IMO, would be a worthwhile investment ... the extra $$$ for the speakers and the mounts.

Aesthetically, remember that the LX16 is almost twice as deep (9.5" vs. 5.25") as the Motion 4 ... however, the LX16's considerably larger cabinet pays off in a much more robust sound in the mid-range.

Your receiver is a good one and will work fine with your new speakers.
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So, how long will ML support a speaker?
There's only one speaker they made they don't support anymore and it's the Logos center channel.

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Surprised there isn't one of these already. Excellent speaker company!<br><br>
Would love to see other Martin Logan owners set ups, suggestions, etc.<br><br>
I presently have Montage fronts with a Fresco Center and DepthI subwoofer. For the rears presently I have two Polk Audio Monitor 50s each paired with a Dynamo subwoofer. In the next day or so I will be picking up Mosaics, putting them in the front and bumping the Montages to the rear with the Dynamos. My next move will either be getting a pair of Vignettes for 7.1 or a CinemaI for the center and bumping the Fresco to the rear for 6.1. Any thoughts/recommendations? What are you using?
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These things should be substantial enough to wall mount LX16s.

I believe I picked them up at BestBuy. I'll see if I have the paperwork kicking around somewhere. The SoundStage 3D20s that they have been hanging on to are likely about the same weight as the LX16.

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I might have to go with stands then, not sure how the wife will take it lol

Question...
If I mainly do 80% movies / 20% music... will I still a noticeable difference between the Motion 4s and Lx16?


Thank you all for your time and help!
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Hey everybody,

So I got a Martin Logan Dynamo 300 about a few months ago, and man do I love it, the lows on it are surprising for a little 8". Granted I have a Sony 850DN, and Episode 700 towers, bookshelves and center. Now I plan on bi-amping the towers this weekend, stoked about that. Any ideas on how to tune and tweak it using the Sony 850DN?

I just bought some mounts to put the bookshelves in the rear, so don't hurt me this setup is only temporary, just wanted to show off the gear lol
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I just bought a full set of ML Motions for my 5.2.2 setup. The new fronts are 60XT's. I am limited on the center placement so I had to go with the 30 to fit the space in my cabinet. The 50XT is just barely too wide. I was going to go with the 35XTs for the side surrounds but the Magnolia guy convinced me the 15s would be a better match with the 30 center. The dual subs are Dynamo 700s. I currently have the little Onkyo Atmos modules but plan to replace those with the ML AFX modules as soon as my CC balance recovers. I have a few questions that I hope someone can help me with before diving into setting up the rest of the speakers.

The room has hardwood floors so I will not use the spikes. Should I just leave the rubber feet directly on the speakers as shipped or install the outriggers with the rubber feet? The speakers seem stable enough but do the outriggers improve sound any if not using the spikes?

With the two subs being located next to the 60XTs in front, should I leave them as down firing or convert to front firing?

With my current Onkyo 7.2 AVR, I cannot bi-amp but would there be any noticeable improvement to bi-wiring the fronts or is this a waste of time? I ran the 60XTs from the lower posts last night as suggested by the Magnolia guy and they sounded great but I want to do what I can to improve performance if worth the effort.

If I were to ignore the Magnolia guy's advice and swap out the 15's for the 35XTs as side surrounds, would the 30 center be able to keep up?

Sorry for all of the questions but the speakers I am replacing are 20 - 30 year old Polk SDAs, Polk center, and surrounds so it has been a while since I have dealt with speaker issues.

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@bshoe54 I assume you mean the Motion 30 centre, since the 40 is a tower. I don't think the centre has to compete with your surrounds. The mains will have more effect, but by the time you finish dialling the speakers in, you should be good. I'd go with the 35XT so that the drivers match the fronts. Pity there's not room for the 50, but that's life, I guess.

As far as outriggers go, I'd be tempted to try them without, and the with, after the break in period of 100 hours, and see if you notice any appreciable difference.

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@bshoe54 Missed a bit. No point in biwiring or biamping until the speakers are broken in. You won't hear them at their best until they have some hours on them. Then it's a case of suck it and see. If you biwire and can hear an improvement (rather than just a difference) then go with it. I had my 20s and 40s biamped and didn't notice any difference. I replaced the stock plates with 12 gauge wire though. I plug the input into the high and then run tbe jumper into the low.

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@bshoe54 I wonder if those upward firing modules are the way to go? Alternatives are the in ceiling speakers with the folded motion tweeter or Motion 2 or 4 mounted high on the front and back walls. Just something to think about.

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Just Posted some Motion 2s in classifieds. Amazing price for someone that needs them.
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@bshoe54 I wonder if those upward firing modules are the way to go? Alternatives are the in ceiling speakers with the folded motion tweeter or Motion 2 or 4 mounted high on the front and back walls. Just something to think about.
I think ideally I'd go with in ceiling speakers with the folded motion tweeter myself.

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@bshoe54 I wonder if those upward firing modules are the way to go? Alternatives are the in ceiling speakers with the folded motion tweeter or Motion 2 or 4 mounted high on the front and back walls. Just something to think about.
The in-ceilings would definitely be better. Unfortunately, my personal space requirements limit my options.
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Originally Posted by KJSteward View Post
@bshoe54 Missed a bit. No point in biwiring or biamping until the speakers are broken in. You won't hear them at their best until they have some hours on them. Then it's a case of suck it and see. If you biwire and can hear an improvement (rather than just a difference) then go with it. I had my 20s and 40s biamped and didn't notice any difference. I replaced the stock plates with 12 gauge wire though. I plug the input into the high and then run tbe jumper into the low.
Thanks for the advice. I have the inputs going into the low side right now. The Magnolia guy advised this setup. I will definitely change out the plates to 12 ga. wire jumpers though.
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