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I need to ask for one of those next time I visit Martin Logan at Cedia !

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Need some quick suggestions on front stage as I already ordered a Salamander Miami wall mount cabinet from Magnolia in Sacramento (Roseville actually) to redo my living room which is also the only theater area. It is a floating 85" wide cabinet with no center channel cutout.

Was going to run 5.1 system with rear ML ceiling surrounds and a single ML wireless dynamo 700 but the front stage, as mentioned, is where I am stuck as I can not listen to one my options at Magnolia...

Front Stage Options:

1. ML Motion 40's with Motion 30 center sitting on top of cabinet (acceptable by wife but possibly ugly center on cabinet could change her mind once its home)

2. ML Motion 40's with Axis center in wall between cabinet and television

3. ML Vanquish all across the front or their 8" model on left and right with center Vanquish.

The third option would obviously be the most expensive and possibly disappointing, although I have no idea how that kind of front stage would sound in home from experience if anyone here can share.

I also plan on possibly buying a Sony 940C which looks good even with those side mounted speakers but with towers on each side it will look a bit tacky I feel...Still it just comes down to guessing how that Vanquish front stage will sound.
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Need some quick suggestions on front stage as I already ordered a Salamander Miami wall mount cabinet from Magnolia in Sacramento (Roseville actually) to redo my living room which is also the only theater area. It is a floating 85" wide cabinet with no center channel cutout.

Was going to run 5.1 system with rear ML ceiling surrounds and a single ML wireless dynamo 700 but the front stage, as mentioned, is where I am stuck as I can not listen to one my options at Magnolia...

Front Stage Options:

1. ML Motion 40's with Motion 30 center sitting on top of cabinet (acceptable by wife but possibly ugly center on cabinet could change her mind once its home)

2. ML Motion 40's with Axis center in wall between cabinet and television

3. ML Vanquish all across the front or their 8" model on left and right with center Vanquish.

The third option would obviously be the most expensive and possibly disappointing, although I have no idea how that kind of front stage would sound in home from experience if anyone here can share.

I also plan on possibly buying a Sony 940C which looks good even with those side mounted speakers but with towers on each side it will look a bit tacky I feel...Still it just comes down to guessing how that Vanquish front stage will sound.
I'd go with option #1. By the way, I'm in the Sacramento area and I have Motion 40's in my theater, if you want to hear a better setup than Magnolia will ever have. PM or email me.

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I'm hoping to get some recommendations. What models would you guys use for a smaller room setup, around a 12x15? I would like to do 5.1
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I'm hoping to get some recommendations. What models would you guys use for a smaller room setup, around a 12x15? I would like to do 5.1
My room is 11 x 17.5 and I am using a Stage X center with Theos L & R fronts. I am very happy with the set up. However my small room is fully treated. Nothing like distortion free listening especially if you listen at reference levels. For surrounds I use my old Triad Gold dipoles.
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Remember that the new ML ESL-X will be out in April.

Screen will be about 50 sq in bigger and two 8" in the woofer box instead of one.

So after only a year with the ESL, I guess it will be time to dive in again.
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Remember that the new ML ESL-X will be out in April.

Screen will be about 50 sq in bigger and two 8" in the woofer box instead of one.

So after only a year with the ESL, I guess it will be time to dive in again.
I don't need more bass but I'm definitely interested in the bigger panel. The sweet spot in my room is VERY small with my EM-ESL.

I wonder how these will compare to the Theos and if they will cannibalize Theos sales.
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Remember that the new ML ESL-X will be out in April.

Screen will be about 50 sq in bigger and two 8" in the woofer box instead of one.

So after only a year with the ESL, I guess it will be time to dive in again.
Ha. Now he understands the "woofer box".

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Ha. Now he understands the "woofer box".

You think? My big set in Cali has none of what you claim it has. No woofing woofer and no crossover.


And I had a pair of these for about 20 years. Find the woofing "woofer box" or the "drivers" or the "crossover"


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I don't need more bass but I'm definitely interested in the bigger panel. The sweet spot in my room is VERY small with my EM-ESL.

I wonder how these will compare to the Theos and if they will cannibalize Theos sales.

That part of the ML line is getting on in years. Theos, Ethos and EM are all about five+ years old. I expect that we'll see them all replaced over the next year or so. The cheaper EM is not being discontinued at this point. That's still a big jump from the $2,500 of the EM to the $4k of the ESM-X.


" The sweet spot in my room is VERY small with my EM-ESL."


Even my Sound labs have a somewhat narrow sweet spot. Of course that's not helped by how far I have them pulled out into the room. 3d soundstage is sure helped by doing that though.
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MartinLogan has released their new Renaissance ESL 15A loudspeaker!
As a high-end model near the top of their reserve series, the Renaissance ESL 15A integrates technology never before seen in an electrostatic loudspeaker, including Anthem Room Correction (ARC), to optimize performance in your room! They also have a new Airframe Blade design that offers ultra-high rigidity and electrical and acoustical isolation, significantly minimizing intermodulation distortion caused by vibration and resonance, as well as dual 12" woofers with MartinLogan's PoweredForce Forward Bass technology that virtually eliminates front-wall bass reflections while providing far more placement flexibility.
Available in Dark Cherry and Walnut wood finishes, as well as Gloss Black and seven other premium finishes, the Renaissance ESL 15A will fit into virtually any décor and look as amazing as they sound!

Can't wait to hear these. Think they are about 20K a pair. Actually 32k a pair in Canada.

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Remember that the new ML ESL-X will be out in April.

Screen will be about 50 sq in bigger and two 8" in the woofer box instead of one.

So after only a year with the ESL, I guess it will be time to dive in again.
The Electromotion ELS's are some of the best sounding speakers I have owned. Was looking forward to the ELS-X but if they are around 4k, that's too rich for my blood and I don't really need the two 8" woofer bass section. I would have to look into Magnepans next.

FYI - anyone having a CITI Bank credit card can get the ELS's for 30% off direct from the distribution company with FREE shipping. It was what pushed me to give in and buy mine.
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MartinLogan has released their new Renaissance ESL 15A loudspeaker!
As a high-end model near the top of their reserve series, the Renaissance ESL 15A integrates technology never before seen in an electrostatic loudspeaker, including Anthem Room Correction (ARC), to optimize performance in your room! They also have a new Airframe Blade design that offers ultra-high rigidity and electrical and acoustical isolation, significantly minimizing intermodulation distortion caused by vibration and resonance, as well as dual 12" woofers with MartinLogan's PoweredForce Forward Bass technology that virtually eliminates front-wall bass reflections while providing far more placement flexibility.
Available in Dark Cherry and Walnut wood finishes, as well as Gloss Black and seven other premium finishes, the Renaissance ESL 15A will fit into virtually any décor and look as amazing as they sound!

Can't wait to hear these. Think they are about 20K a pair.

http://www.martinlogan.com/renaissan...-15a/specs.php


That drop to a 1/2 ohm at 20k concerns me a bit. I've blown up a few amps due to ESLs before so it wouldn't exactly be a new experience.
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The Electromotion ELS's are some of the best sounding speakers I have owned. Was looking forward to the ELS-X but if they are around 4k, that's too rich for my blood and I don't really need the two 8" woofer bass section. I would have to look into Magnepans next.

FYI - anyone having a CITI Bank credit card can get the ELS's for 30% off direct from the distribution company with FREE shipping. It was what pushed me to give in and buy mine.

"The Electromotion ELS's are some of the best sounding speakers I have owned"


You know what, I agree. I have had far larger ESLs. In fact all of them have been, but boi I've been happy with these. These are small enough that they become almost a line source and completely, totally get out of the way of the soundstage. I do very near field with them way out from the wall and you hear not a thing coming from the face of the speaker except for the occasional click or pop on an LP (and I mean occasional).

I don't think I've ever owned anything as transparent as these, not even the EL-57s. The ML EM ESLs are very balanced, other than the bottom octave, but for what's really important to me, I haven't beat them yet. Sure, the larger x-stat panel will do large scale instruments more realistically, but they physically get in the way of the soundstage so listening requires lights out.

"I would have to look into Magnepans next"

I have had both many times during my life. I looked hard and heavy at 3.7i and while they have better mid bass realism when set up to do nearfield like I like, they bloat the center image, so Jenifer Warnes sounds like her mouth is a foot wide. Off center a few degrees then they are fine again, and still don't have the transparency that the MLs have. That's still, however, another option for me is to have the ESL-X and the 3.7i

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I also have Tekton Pendragon's LCR. They sound amazing but I can't get enough of these ELS's. I went back and forth with them twice now and I just keep being blown away by there soundstage and clarity.
Have an Emotiva XPA-5 Gen2 coming in today. Going to compare it to my Rotel RMB1095, both amps have 200Watts to 5 channels.
Anyone here running Electrostats with Emotiva XPA's???
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Current setup, been living in rentals for a few years now. 106" screen hands in front of the tv
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I also have Tekton Pendragon's LCR. They sound amazing but I can't get enough of these ELS's. I went back and forth with them twice now and I just keep being blown away by there soundstage and clarity.
Have an Emotiva XPA-5 Gen2 coming in today. Going to compare it to my Rotel RMB1095, both amps have 200Watts to 5 channels.
Anyone here running Electrostats with Emotiva XPA's???

If that's your room in your avatar, for grins, giggles, etc., trying pulling your ESLs way further out into the room. Climb in nearfield and report back !!!!!! Listen to real music by real musicians playing real instruments in a real space. As I've said 145,765,689 times on AVS, try the Sheffield Harry James or the Three Blind Mice. Shhhhh, don't tell the wife.


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Current setup, been living in rentals for a few years now. 106" screen hands in front of the tv

Cool, grab the speakers and pull them out. Way too close to the wall
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I did a lot of testing and research on the ELS's. You have to remember these are not like the old school electrostats. Being on the ML forum and talking with other members the optimal distance from the wall with these is 24" to the panel. I have tried 2-4' and right now they are 36" and sound excellent. Too far off the wall they loose some detail. Remember that they are bipole and need some reflection to generate that soundstage.
According to your photo scott, yours appear to be about 4' from your listening couch, which seems WAY too close to me.
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I did a lot of testing and research on the ELS's. You have to remember these are not like the old school electrostats. Being on the ML forum and talking with other members the optimal distance from the wall with these is 24" to the panel. I have tried 2-4' and right now they are 36" and sound excellent. Too far off the wall they loose some detail.
According to your photo scott, yours appear to be about 4' from your listening couch, which seems WAY too close to me.

I'm at 73" out and I generally sit in the red bean bag. Soundstage and realism is breathtaking. Plus you hear nothing coming from the face of the speakers (depending on recording of course). This trick doesn't work with the some early 'stereo' such as early Beatles or Monkeys, etc. that was hard right hard left and center. On the right recording though .....


"Talking with other members the optimal distance from the wall with these is 24" to the panel"


I've seen that many times and here I am yelling that hey guys you're so missing out on the magic.


I noticed on the recent TAS review of the Quad 2822, they also figured it out


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You have to jigger them around a bit for the bass, but a roughed in rule of thumb is 38% out into the room.

ML says .615 of the ceiling height. Neither number works for me. I'm out even further. You have to stay away from 25% and 50% as they are null points for bass.

And in re your earlier comment. I've had ESLs since my first set of Quads in 1959. I've had just about everything on the market from KLH 9s, Dayton Wright XG8 Mk2s, original CLSs, Statements, Sound Lab Pristines, A3s and M1s, Plus many Maggies from Tympani I-Us up

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Like any dipole they are very sensitive to placement, especially in an untreated room, where comb filtering can change the sound significantly with small changes in placement and toe-in. Placing heavy absorption (or diffusion) behind them greatly reduces their sensitivity to distance to the wall behind. Unlike some (most?) other planar speakers, the curved ML diaphragm (and their hybrid design using a conventional woofer) also makes them sensitive to sidewall reflections so side wall treatment may help. As frequency goes up they become more directional so interaction with the floor and ceiling would be minimal, except many models tilt the panel up a bit so you do have ceiling reflections to contend with if the ceiling is not treated.
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I also have Tekton Pendragon's LCR. They sound amazing but I can't get enough of these ELS's. I went back and forth with them twice now and I just keep being blown away by there soundstage and clarity.
Have an Emotiva XPA-5 Gen2 coming in today. Going to compare it to my Rotel RMB1095, both amps have 200Watts to 5 channels.
Anyone here running Electrostats with Emotiva XPA's???
There were a bunch of ML employees using Emotiva amps. That being said, I tried mine with Rotel and Parasound amps and now use a Rogue Audio Eighty-Eight 60W tube amp (40W in Triode mode). I did not care for the solid state amps at all with the EM-ESL. I found them to be lean and harsh sounding.
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There were a bunch of ML employees using Emotiva amps. That being said, I tried mine with Rotel and Parasound amps and now use a Rogue Audio Eighty-Eight 60W tube amp (40W in Triode mode). I did not care for the solid state amps at all with the EM-ESL. I found them to be lean and harsh sounding.

You'd think that and I always have.

I got back into the hobby about a year or so ago and bought a Hegel because it was cheap as a temporary amp until I could get something better. I've always (mostly) used tube amps with ESLs over 50+ years or so. Surprisingly, I've found the Hegel to be a little on the warm and lush side. I'm happy enough that I might get the new H360. Can't believe I'm saying this in re SS.
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Guys,

I have been in practise of running my front speakers SMALL and crossover set between 60-80hz.

As the Montis have its own dedicated sub and goes down to 29hz low frequency, will it be ideal to set them as LARGE / Full range speakers for watching movies, or, set them SMALL and set crossover to 40HZ. I am also thinking to set the StageX at 80hz crossover since it only goes down to 69hz.

Would appreciate your opinions on this.

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I was looking for a pair of "high end" speakers because I listen to music more than HT watching. I auditioned a bunch of different speakers and finally settled on the Summit X. In a word, the stage presence the speaker has is breathtaking. It actually makes you think the music is right there in front of you, live. Also, there was a noticeable difference (at least to me) in the sound of the speakers after the recommended 80 hours of break-in time. Several months ago I then purchased the stage for my center channel speaker (I was using a legacy center channel speaker) and the smoothness the three speakers has when I watch movies is out of this world. In my opinion, you can't go wrong with ML speakers.
Ditto. I've have had a pair of Summit Xs for a couple of weeks now and have become addicted to them. Years ago I owned a pair of Ohm F speakers and then regrettably moved on to Acustate X (sp?) speakers (full range electrostatics with built in amps). I'm using Def. Tech. 3000s for HT and the MartinLogan speakers for music. I think it's the clarity and presence that grabs me -- also the base is deep and powerful. A one hour listening session often turns into a 2 or 3 hour session.
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