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You should check out the Cambridge streamers to match your CDP. They have Spotify Connect and Spotify just announced lossless "HiFi" streaming! Even at 320k it can sound nice on my revealing system with ML Theos.
Ended up getting the Node 2 simply due to the MQA streaming, and I've been toying with A/B comparisons PlayFi Spotify and MQA Tidal and the difference is noticeable. I also did CD quality vs Spotify and the difference was also audible using the Node's DAC. Bluesound suggests against going digital out for MQA unless the DAC supports it and can extract it so I'm just using analog out and it sounds fantastic. I was eyeing the Naim streamers but at $500 it's a great piece with a ton of options.
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Just bought 2 Martin Logan Motion 15s and a Motion 30 for front speakers for my new theater system! Love them so far.
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FX or FX2 surrounds

Hi,

I posted this in the ML motion thread but thought I may get a better response here.

I have a dedicated HT room measuring 11' wide x 17.5' long by 7.5' high. The room is sealed and treated. I have two Theos for my FR FL and Stage X for center.

I have two rows seating and back row is on an an 18 inch riser. There are 2 seats in the first row and 2 seats behind in the second back row. The back row is about 8 inches from the back wall.

Side surrounds are to go on upper part of side walls in line with first row about 3 feet from first row listeners.

Rear surrounds are to go just behind second row on upper part of rear wall.

Considering the FX or FX2 surrounds. Any insight or suggestions as to the differences between them? What would you suggest? Any other suggestions?

Are the FX2 in my room worth the extra money and would I hear the extra benefit?

One concern I have with the FX2 is that it only has a 30 degree vertical dispersion and maybe my seats being so close would cause issues.
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I bought the motion 4's for surround speakers. (5.1).

My couch is on the same wall as where I will mount the speakers. I purchased pivoting mounts.

My original plan was to aim just in front of MLP and 2' above ears.

Before I put holes in the wall, I wanted to verify this as being correct. I can pull my couch forward a foot for movie night, but no just for tv.

I was told the Motion 4's would be good for surround but now wondering if I should have bought the FX?

Thanks in advance.

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I have a Dynamo 700w sub and I'm having the following situation: when playing some movies at louder level the vibration makes the sub to displace. It doesn't stay in a fixed place in my room. Also, I tried the Auralex Acoustic Subdude II and the Sub behavior is the same. The sub is configured downward.

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Not sure these would work, but might be worth looking into:

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If price was the same would you go with the XPA-2 or Rotel 1582 to power EM-ESL? I would be buying used.

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If price was the same would you go with the XPA-2 or Rotel 1582 to power EM-ESL? I would be buying used.
I used the older Rotel RB-990 with my EM-ESL and it was one of my prefered solid state amps with them. I haven't owned an Emotiva amp but I get the feeling they are a little brighter than the Rotel. Personally, I rate Rotel a few notches up the totem pole over Emotiva but others may have different opinions.
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All IMO.

The Rotel has less power, less gain, higher SNR, better THD specs, and has been around much longer. Rotel also has a good rep for reliability.

The Emotiva has more power, higher gain, lower SNR (probably because of the higher gain), and is a relative newcomer. While some of their products have been dinged, the amplifiers have generally been deemed reliable.

At the same price for the same age units, I'd probably get the Rotel, but if it cost significantly more I'd have no trouble getting the Emotiva. I suspect you would hear little if any difference. I have had several Emotiva amps in my systems for about 7 or 8 years now and they are doing fine (including a Gen-1 XPA-2 driving my old Magnepans).

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Hi Everyone!

This is my first post as I am just getting into the speaker game.

I am looking to setup a home theater and am pretty set on either the ML Motion 40s or 60xts with Motion 30 center or 50xt center.

Also looking to pair these with a PB-2000.

Does anyone know where to get the best deal on these? I found refurbished ones on Amazon from Safe & Sound HQ, but not sure if that is the best route to go. I am in the Chicago suburbs if that helps.

Thank you everyone for your help!

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Pioneer Elite VSX-LX301
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Room is 21' long x 17' wide
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I'll just throw this out there. The Emotivas work good with the warmer Magnepans but might be a little brittle with ML. I'm not a big Rotel fan but I think they would sound good with most ML until you get into the big boys then you'll want top of the line electronics from say Audio Research or similar.

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FX or FX2 surrounds

Hi,

I posted this in the ML motion thread but thought I may get a better response here.

I have a dedicated HT room measuring 11' wide x 17.5' long by 7.5' high. The room is sealed and treated. I have two Theos for my FR FL and Stage X for center.

I have two rows seating and back row is on an an 18 inch riser. There are 2 seats in the first row and 2 seats behind in the second back row. The back row is about 8 inches from the back wall.

Side surrounds are to go on upper part of side walls in line with first row about 3 feet from first row listeners.

Rear surrounds are to go just behind second row on upper part of rear wall.

Considering the FX or FX2 surrounds. Any insight or suggestions as to the differences between them? What would you suggest
? Any other suggestions?

Are the FX2 in my room worth the extra money and would I hear the extra benefit?

One concern I have with the FX2 is that it only has a 30 degree vertical dispersion and maybe my seats being so close would cause issues.
Your room is a lot smaller than mine, and I find the Motion FX's to be perfect for side and rear surrounds. Those would be my recommendation.

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Regarding Emotiva amps, I'm running my Motion 40's with an Emotiva XPA 200 ( for a few years now ), and 9 other channels of Martin Logan Motion speakers with my Denon X7200WA. No problems, sounds excellent ( 100% movies / HDTV ).

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I'll just throw this out there. The Emotivas work good with the warmer Magnepans but might be a little brittle with ML. I'm not a big Rotel fan but I think they would sound good with most ML until you get into the big boys then you'll want top of the line electronics from say Audio Research or similar.
Not sure I'd go there... The ribbon on my Maggies can be pretty hot and though I have not measured ML anytime recently last time (probably 5-10 years ago) the ribbon in the Maggie actually had a little lower distortion than in a CLX or Summit.

I've never been a fan of tubes on ESLs. Gorgeous midrange, looser bass, and a bit more distorted/constricted very top end. That said, ML's hybrid designs take the load off the low end, and by now I can't hear the very extended top end, so it probably wouldn't matter. I'd expect most anyone would be able to hear the difference between most tube and SS amps.

IME/IMO price and performance do not always go hand-in-hand, and you don't always need the most expensive of everything. But opinions vary, and at least one salesman was rather dismayed when the McIntosh amp swapped in didn't sound any better than my Emotiva on my Maggies. Actually, the Mac sounded worse on some other speakers, and different (not necessarily better) on others.

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Not sure I'd go there... The ribbon on my Maggies can be pretty hot.
The true ribbon tweeter on 3 series and up is perhaps the finest tweeter made.

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You're killing me Smalls. Tubes and electrostatics are the bee's knees.

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..one salesman was rather dismayed when the McIntosh amp swapped in didn't sound any better than my Emotiva on my Maggies...
That is what I said...and I have a high buck Mac on my Maggies! I like my Parasound A21 more.

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Ok one more thing to throw in. The xpa-2 has 4 more years of warranty while the Rotel no longer has anymore warranty. Price is fairly the same +-$25. I'm kind of leaning towards the Rotel still but that 4 years of warranty is making me think.
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So it's probably a Gen 2 Emotiva... Much as I like Rotel, I'd probably give the Emotiva a go.

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I think you're more likely to need the warranty with the newer technology.

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The Emotiva amps are solid and sound great. I'm pushing a pair of Montis from an XPA-5 Gen 2. No issues at all 2+ yrs. in my listening tests I actually felt the Rotel sounded brighter but it could also have been their processor too. Either way, you won't be disappointed. But personally, Even if the Rotel was cheaper I'd probably still go Emotiva.


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Hi all,

Just upgraded my Motion 20s to 40s and my center 8 to a 30. Really pleased so far. Full setup in signature. Now I'm considering upgrading to the Dynamo 700, but I have a relatively small-ish family room (~12x10') and I'm wondering if that would be overkill. Right now my Dynamo 300 is placed in the front left corner and performs (to my ears anyway) fairly well. What do you guys think? I have no doubt the 700 WILL perform better, but I do wonder if it's worth it enough to justify the price. FWIW, I use my system 80% for games and movies, 20% for music. Would appreciate the advice!

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Hi all,

Just upgraded my Motion 20s to 40s and my center 8 to a 30. Really pleased so far. Full setup in signature. Now I'm considering upgrading to the Dynamo 700, but I have a relatively small-ish family room (~12x10') and I'm wondering if that would be overkill. Right now my Dynamo 300 is placed in the front left corner and performs (to my ears anyway) fairly well. What do you guys think? I have no doubt the 700 WILL perform better, but I do wonder if it's worth it enough to justify the price. FWIW, I use my system 80% for games and movies, 20% for music. Would appreciate the advice!
My advice would be to keep the Dynamo 300 and buy a second one and put the two subs on opposite walls, roughly centered to the wall they are on. One centered on the front wall and one center of rear wall is probably best. If putting them in corners, you'd need to go to four units.

I have a secondary media room whose room dimensions are 12X10X10, which is very challenging acoustically. But four Dynamo 300's placed in the corners and then corrected with Audyssey XT32 delivers an incredibly smooth bass performance. Multiples allow then to deliver a bit more output down low, but one would not mistake these for the Infinite Baffle Sub (4x15" drivers) in my HT.

Paired with Elac Unifi UC5 fronts, this little system surprises me every time with how good it sounds. For watching TV, gaming and even some music sessions, it is quite satisfactory. The multiple subs are the key to making that cube of a room work.
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I second the motion to add another 300 to the mix. I have 2 300 at my sons place and they are VERY nice. I have one in my bedroom...VERY nice! These are little Dynamo for real!
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I use the little ML Dynamo 300 in my budget system with the Elacs. Works just fine.
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Martin Logan Owner Here.

I've been a Martin Logan owner since I heard the Clarity in a Magnolia Store when they came out. Purchased them on the spot. Since then I've continued the love and appreciation for ML's. Currently have Montis up front and working on upgrading everything to a Dolby Atmos 9.1.2 setup. Still have everything I've ever purchased from ML except for the EFX's and Depth i. Wish I never sold them.

The photo is of a new Temp Room that the setup will be in for about a year until I move back into the designated theater space.




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Martin Logan Owner Here.

I've been a Martin Logan owner since I heard the Clarity in a Magnolia Store when they came out. Purchased them on the spot. Since then I've continued the love and appreciation for ML's. Currently have Montis up front and working on upgrading everything to a Dolby Atmos 9.1.2 setup. Still have everything I've ever purchased from ML except for the EFX's and Depth i. Wish I never sold them.

The photo is of a new Temp Room that the setup will be in for about a year until I move back into the designated theater space.


Link to System Progress over the years.

http://www.martinloganowners.com/for...ghlight=Center
Nice! That should work as a " temp space " !
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Hi all

I have been M.L. fan since 2001 when I first heard at hifi buys which was owed by tweeter. I have a 6.4.3 set up. I am using efx's as fronts,motion4s for rears, abyss for one of the subs ( using 2 Polk pro 660 subs for front bass (I got a deal) 4 Polk ml80 for atmos inceiling) and a M.L. EmR for the front and rear center. I have one channel free on my amp and I have caught the fever for the eslc34a to run on my last channel. But here in lies the problem do I want a used BMW Convertible or do I need to spend $7000 on a center channel, but I really do have the fever. So I am taking a poll. Be smart and don't do it. Or risk bankruptcy,divorce ad a bad credit rating to achieve perfection.

Let me know.
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