Originally Posted by smithb
As a result, I will take the more straight forward approach. Based on some of the designed systems we have all seen in this forum I would say that there are quite a few that have well designed and setup systems. Based on response I would also say there are some very knowledgeable and experienced members here. From past threads as well as this one, some agree with you and some don't.
There are a few, but many of the "show" theaters certainly aren't among them.
It amazes me at times how some around here like to impose their opinions as if they are hardcore facts. Everyone talks about how subjective it is to choose a speaker because of individual preferences. Why should this topic be any different? Why is this one suppose to be thought of as an absolute?
I don't believe in the "it's all subjective" BS. There is better and there is worse. Speakers, setup, whatever. "it's all subjective" is an excuse for making poor, highly colored products or doing things badly.
Just curious John, you did not respond in anyway to my argument that both concepts are flawed to some degree because of the different types of effects we are trying to simulate. Therefore, it is all a compromise regardless of choice. Do you have any OPINION on that or was it just FACTUALLY wrong and not worth commenting on?
I can if you'd like, I've just been *really* busy, so haven't had a lot of time.
You obviously have plenty of knowledge and experience to share like others here, but why does it usually come off as "your way or the highway" so to speak? Just curious.
Because it's not "my way", it's *the* way (for the most part). The goal should be to do it right, once you can't do it properly, you have to make your own compromises, but people want to muddy the waters with "it's all good" and it's not "all good". People should know the right way to do this stuff and back off as they need to, but this whole "this bad speaker worked for my bad setup" isn't exactly helpful from a real educational standpoint.
One thing isn't disputable. Dipoles seriously color the sound of the rear channels, almost to the point of unintelligibility. Put on a music disc and play through the rears and then realize it does that to everything you put on your speakers.
90-95% of our customers can't or won't do things ideally and we work to make it close. BUT, all of them walk away knowing what they could have done better too and they're glad they know because if they ever can do a more ideal room, they'll likely do it that way (wife permitting).
An ideal theater system is when you have 5-7 identical wide dispersion speakers with well matched subs (preferably sealed), with all of the speakers placed at ear level, aimed at you and with the fronts 2.5-3' from any room surface and you 5' or more from any speaker.
Or, next less ideal for a smaller room is an all high quality inwall system such as Triad with identical speakers so that the bad placement issue is minimized.
7.1's *entire* purpose is to allow monopoles to also create a holographic experience *while* allowing for proper placement of surround effects. It is not to have what I call "discrete diffusion" where you put all 4 rear channels in a blender and scatter it to the winds.
Why aren't dipole fans using dipoles for front and center speakers on the walls in front? If it is better, than you should match your fronts to the better rears. Try it, see how good it sounds.