SURROUND SPEAKERS - Bipole, Dipole, Quadpole, Omnipole... WHICH ONE? - Page 26 - AVS Forum
View Poll Results: There are many surround speakers out there now, but the ones below would have to get my highest reco
Mirage OMD5 (or any other Mirage Omnipole) 25 22.52%
JBL P520WS / Infinity ES-250 / Infinity Classia C255ES (Dual-monopole for 4 channels from 2 speakers, but also Bipole & Dipole switchable) 5 4.50%
Axiom QS8 or QS4 (Unique Quadpole design) 30 27.03%
Paradigm ADP (Many models available with this design, where the tweeters run Dipole, but the woofers are Bipole) 20 18.02%
Monitor Audio BXFX or RXFX (Single woofer, but the tweeters can switch to either Dipole or Bipole) 14 12.61%
Monitor Audio GXFX (6 drivers, including a ribbon. (Monopole / Dipole switchable) 12 10.81%
KEF 26/2DS (Dipole only, alas... but with two 6.5 inch side woofers and a front-firing 8 inch!!! ) 6 5.41%
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oh. what is ATMOS ?
It's a fad. Myself, I'm waiting for true 100.10 surround as none of this 7.1 - 11 channel stuff is realistic enough. Until then it's just plain 5.1 for me. Even though I completely feel surrounded by a 5 speaker setup I can't help but wonder if something is missing.

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It's a fad. Myself, I'm waiting for true 100.10 surround as none of this 7.1 - 11 channel stuff is realistic enough. Until then it's just plain 5.1 for me. Even though I completely feel surrounded by a 5 speaker setup I can't help but wonder if something is missing.
Did you watch/listen to the last podcast for CEDIA 2014? The opinion of atmos was largely: hearing is believing. Not trying to make an argument for or against but I'm interested to hear it before I write it off.

In either case I've decided to 'upgrade' my nearly $1500 original price Cambridge Soundworks system to the less than $500 Pioneer Andrew Jones set. I know to most of you this is probably what you spend on one speaker but I think it will work for me after spending some time auditioning them. I'm very curious about the rear speakers as this is the first time I'll ever be installing monopoles.

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thanx.

you know, i had actually predicted this atmos thing YEARS ago, nearly 10 years ago. and here is another prediction. we are going to see speakers in/on the floor. and we are going to see at least 4 seperate channels of subs. in the future, it will be "SOP" to have 30+ channels of audio. 3 channel fronts ? lol. first it will go to 5 channels, and then up from there. for a decent setup, look for $20,000 in audio.

now, on to my question. i have tried lowering the sides to head level. didn't like it. and it actually causes problems.

and i am not concerned about the new 3D formats. as i am not going to upgrade any time soon. i just want some good and proper sides.
Actually, Dolby Atmos can do up to 34 discrete outputs, plus the LFE channel. You just need a more sophisticated, and pricier (of course), pre-amp.

At CEDIA they were talking about having the surrounds no more than one foot above the seated listener's head if you don't have super tall ceilings (you don't). You don't have to place the main level surrounds (sides, rears) right at ear level. In fact, that can block sounds from a row of people. On some processors, there is a separate front and separate surround/overhead sub output. The mono LFE channel is blended with both. It all has to do with the type of digital bass management included by a particular company.

A basic 5.1.4 system does not have to cost an arm and a leg and can be quite effective if planned out with a little thought.

What front speakers are you using right now?

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100.10 can be done

Just install 100 of these around your room

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It's a fad. Myself, I'm waiting for true 100.10 surround as none of this 7.1 - 11 channel stuff is realistic enough. Until then it's just plain 5.1 for me. Even though I completely feel surrounded by a 5 speaker setup I can't help but wonder if something is missing.
You obviously haven't heard Atmos.

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It's a fad. Myself, I'm waiting for true 100.10 surround as none of this 7.1 - 11 channel stuff is realistic enough.
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Actually, Dolby Atmos can do up to 34 discrete outputs, plus the LFE channel. You just need a more sophisticated, and pricier (of course), pre-amp.
well there ya go. see, i can see into the future. and it happened faster than expected .

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At CEDIA they were talking about having the surrounds no more than one foot above the seated listener's head if you don't have super tall ceilings (you don't). You don't have to place the main level surrounds (sides, rears) right at ear level. In fact, that can block sounds from a row of people.
there, you just said it that it is wrong. thats the problem with having them that low = heads and seats will negatively effect the sound. especially if you have high back seats. been there, done that. now, if your the only one in the room, and sitting on a bucket, yeah, that would work out awesome.

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A basic 5.1.4 system does not have to cost an arm and a leg and can be quite effective if planned out with a little thought.
yeah, i suppose not. but when they start going 12.1-2. 6-?. well things are going to start getting way up there. at least for the average guy.

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What front speakers are you using right now?
i have SWANS 6.1, C3 center, ENERGY RVSS sides(these ain't cutting it any more.), 2 DIY CSS SD12's in ported box's, 2 x ep2500(only using one right now. i want to do 2 18" subs and use both amps), dcx2496, pioneer elite, XPA-3, VIEWSONIC PRO8100, and a 119" dalite hp 2.8.



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You obviously haven't heard Atmos.
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i have SWANS 6.1, C3 center, ENERGY RVSS sides(these ain't cutting it any more.), 2 DIY CSS SD12's in ported box's, 2 x ep2500(only using one right now. i want to do 2 18" subs and use both amps), dcx2496, pioneer elite, XPA-3, VIEWSONIC PRO8100, and a 119" dalite hp 2.8.
Since the Swans seem to have, in effect, flown away, are you considering switching to a different brand, so your speakers more closely match together?

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Since the Swans seem to have, in effect, flown away,

are you considering switching to a different brand, so your speakers more closely match together?
idk what you mean by that

no, not at all. these are pretty nice speakers. i'm just replacing the sides. SWANS sides are pretty expensive. i have been looking for a used set, but no luck. i will see if there is a set of mono bookshelfs i can get.

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idk what you mean by that

no, not at all. these are pretty nice speakers. i'm just replacing the sides. SWANS sides are pretty expensive. i have been looking for a used set, but no luck. i will see if there is a set of mono bookshelfs i can get.
Swan was bought out by a Chinese company and now hard to come by.

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Swan was bought out by a Chinese company and now hard to come by.
yeah, that happened years ago. they are easy to get, just gotta know where to look. but they really are an obscure brand. you should see the rosewood finish on mine = WOW !

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Rear speakers - floor, bookshelf or bipole?

I am currently running a 7-channel system - traditional 5 + front presence; floorstanders for L/R, full-size bookshelves hung for front presence and bipole surrounds on the side, about 6-ft off the floor.

I just upgraded to a Yamaha RX-A3040 AVR and I'm thinking of going to 9-channel in my main room. Wondering what the best choice for rear speakers would be:

1) floorstanders - matching the front floorstanders

2) wall-mounted bookshelves - matching the bookshelves used for front presence, mounted at the same height as the side surrounds

3) bipole speakers, matching the bipoles on the sides, mounted at the same height

Use of system is 90% TV and movies, not much music currently, but expanding.

Kind of leaning towards the matching bipoles, but wondering if they would end up cancelling out with the side bipoles.

I'm kind of intrigued by floorstanding rears, but given they would be set to small anyway, is there really any point? And the backs of the chairs/couch would be blocking the soundpath, unless I raise them up somehow.

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I am currently running a 7-channel system - traditional 5 + front presence; floorstanders for L/R, full-size bookshelves hung for front presence and bipole surrounds on the side, about 6-ft off the floor.

I just upgraded to a Yamaha RX-A3040 AVR and I'm thinking of going to 9-channel in my main room. Wondering what the best choice for rear speakers would be:

1) floorstanders - matching the front floorstanders

2) wall-mounted bookshelves - matching the bookshelves used for front presence, mounted at the same height as the side surrounds

3) bipole speakers, matching the bipoles on the sides, mounted at the same height

Use of system is 90% TV and movies, not much music currently, but expanding.

Kind of leaning towards the matching bipoles, but wondering if they would end up cancelling out with the side bipoles.

I'm kind of intrigued by floorstanding rears, but given they would be set to small anyway, is there really any point? And the backs of the chairs/couch would be blocking the soundpath, unless I raise them up somehow.
You do realize this receiver has Dolby Atmos rendering and Dolby Surround upmixing on board? Would you consider designing your system around a 3D immersive format? That would change your proposed layout and speaker choices quite a bit.

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You do realize this receiver has Dolby Atmos rendering and Dolby Surround upmixing on board? Would you consider designing your system around a 3D immersive format? That would change your proposed layout and speaker choices quite a bit.
I was aware that this AVR is/will be Atmos-capable. Don't really see me adding ceiling speakers to the mix, nor moving the current placement of the front presence or side surrounds.

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I was aware that this AVR is/will be Atmos-capable. Don't really see me adding ceiling speakers to the mix, nor moving the current placement of the front presence or side surrounds.

Too bad because Atmos and even Dolby Surround upmixing is fantastic. Well worth the extra effort in speaker placement.

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Too bad because Atmos and even Dolby Surround upmixing is fantastic. Well worth the extra effort in speaker placement.
I should say that it is not that I'm not interested in/curious about Atmos, but I haven't really done much looking into it at this point, as I tend not to be an early-adopter type. Let others work the kinks out first.

WAF is probably the biggest barrier here, as SWMBO would be less than thrilled if I were to start moving existing speakers, even if I did fill and paint the holes.

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I'm in the final stages of constructing a dedicated theater-room. It will start-out as a 5.1 configuration, with hopes of upgrading to (possibly) a 9.2.4 configuration in the future. My room is on the small-ish/medium-ish side (11.5ft X 14.5ft).

Right now using Marantz AV8801 processor, Parasound A51 amp, JL Audio F110 sub, Oppo BDP-105 multi-media player, Sony SCD-XA5400ES dedicated CD/SACD player, Epson Home Enema 3020 projector.

Employing Monitor Audio Gold GS Series speakers. Using GS-FX as rear-surrounds. Currently have them set for Mono-pole operation. Have'nt had the opportunity to perform any sound-test yet, so have no idea which would be optimal (mono-pole or di-pole)?

As you may notice from the images the GS-FX rears are mounted near top-of-ceiling. I'm sort of stuck with this situation- room permitting. Also have a ceiling fan to deal with (barely blocking projection view).
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I'm in the final stages of constructing a dedicated theater-room. It will start-out as a 5.1 configuration, with hopes of upgrading to (possibly) a 9.2.4 configuration in the future. My room is on the small-ish/medium-ish side (11.5ft X 14.5ft).

Right now using Marantz AV8801 processor, Parasound A51 amp, JL Audio F110 sub, Oppo BDP-105 multi-media player, Sony SCD-XA5400ES dedicated CD/SACD player, Epson Home Enema 3020 projector.

Employing Monitor Audio Gold GS Series speakers. Using GS-FX as rear-surrounds. Currently have them set for Mono-pole operation. Have'nt had the opportunity to perform any sound-test yet, so have no idea which would be optimal (mono-pole or di-pole)?

As you may notice from the images the GS-FX rears are mounted near top-of-ceiling. I'm sort of stuck with this situation- room permitting. Also have a ceiling fan to deal with (barely blocking projection view).
Monopole.

The problem is that they're sitting in the rear surround positions (considering a 5.1 system right now) and (due to the window - as you mentioned) up too high for you to get a very good layering effect with any of the 3D audio formats (except, maybe Auro3D). They need to be down closer to ear level, or just above ear level for greater separation between the main level and overhead level speakers. You could have, perhaps, put the GS-FX on tall speaker stands at ground level if you moved some of the clutter out of the way.

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Monopole.

The problem is that they're sitting in the rear surround positions (considering a 5.1 system right now) and (due to the window - as you mentioned) up too high for you to get a very good layering effect with any of the 3D audio formats (except, maybe Auro3D). They need to be down closer to ear level, or just above ear level for greater separation between the main level and overhead level speakers. You could have, perhaps, put the GS-FX on tall speaker stands at ground level if you moved some of the clutter out of the way.
thanks for your input. I see what you're saying.

My theater/media room also serves as office, so I'm stuck with two PC desk's and equipment ("clutter") positioned against the rear wall. Definitely no room for speaker stands.

My 5.1 living-room system has (Energy RC-R) rear-surrounds mounted in the same fashion as well (ceiling height) due to similiar room constraints. However they perform very well handling surround effects. The room really comes alive during extensive surround effects when playing DVD/BluRay sources.

I'm curious if it's even worth switching back-and-forth from mono-pole to di-pole when operating GS-FX's (playing DVD/BluRay sources in 5.1)?
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thanks for your input. I see what you're saying.

My theater/media room also serves as office, so I'm stuck with two PC desk's and equipment ("clutter") positioned against the rear wall. Definitely no room for speaker stands.

My 5.1 living-room system has (Energy RC-R) rear-surrounds mounted in the same fashion as well (ceiling height) due to similiar room constraints. However they perform very well handling surround effects. The room really comes alive during extensive surround effects when playing DVD/BluRay sources.

I'm curious if it's even worth switching back-and-forth from mono-pole to di-pole when operating GS-FX's (playing DVD/BluRay sources in 5.1)?
Dipoles tend to be too diffuse. A lot of sound companies (like Dolby and Auro and DTS) are trying steer people away from them.

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