SURROUND SPEAKERS - Bipole, Dipole, Quadpole, Omnipole... WHICH ONE? - Page 32 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Baselworld is only a few weeks away. Getting the latest news is easy, Click Here for info on how to join the Watchuseek.com newsletter list. Follow our team for updates featuring event coverage, new product unveilings, watch industry news & more!



View Poll Results: There are many surround speakers out there now, but the ones below would have to get my highest reco
Mirage OMD5 (or any other Mirage Omnipole) 43 21.29%
JBL P520WS / Infinity ES-250 / Infinity Classia C255ES (Dual-monopole for 4 channels from 2 speakers, but also Bipole & Dipole switchable) 14 6.93%
Axiom QS8 or QS4 (Unique Quadpole design) 53 26.24%
Paradigm ADP (Many models available with this design, where the tweeters run Dipole, but the woofers are Bipole) 37 18.32%
Monitor Audio BXFX or RXFX (Single woofer, but the tweeters can switch to either Dipole or Bipole) 21 10.40%
Monitor Audio GXFX (6 drivers, including a ribbon. (Monopole / Dipole switchable) 21 10.40%
KEF 26/2DS (Dipole only, alas... but with two 6.5 inch side woofers and a front-firing 8 inch!!! ) 17 8.42%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 202. You may not vote on this poll

Forum Jump: 
 22Likes
Reply
Thread Tools
post #931 of 935 Unread 06-21-2016, 09:57 AM
Newbie
 
foobrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Oceanside, CA
Posts: 8
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasHansen View Post
My verdict
I personally think that the dipole solution in my new much smaller room, sounds better than monopoles in my previous room which was bigger. They provide exactly the big sound field I prefer with no hint of where the speakers are placed.
Thanks for sharing. That's pretty much what I'd expect based on the majority of this thread and also my own experience. I recently went from a smallish room using dipoles to a somewhat large one (20' x 20') using bipoles. The surrounds are selectable between bipole/dipole so I tried both modes that's just what sounded best for each room. The trick seems to be trying to remove localization without allowing the sound to get too muddled and chaotic.

Did you have a chance to try bipoles in either room?
foobrew is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #932 of 935 Unread 06-21-2016, 10:52 AM
Senior Member
 
JonasHansen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Denmark
Posts: 474
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 42 Post(s)
Liked: 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by foobrew View Post
Thanks for sharing. That's pretty much what I'd expect based on the majority of this thread and also my own experience. I recently went from a smallish room using dipoles to a somewhat large one (20' x 20') using bipoles. The surrounds are selectable between bipole/dipole so I tried both modes that's just what sounded best for each room. The trick seems to be trying to remove localization without allowing the sound to get too muddled and chaotic.

Did you have a chance to try bipoles in either room?
No, never tried bipole. I have heard them in multiple demos and to me, they wound very much like monopoles.

JBL Synthesis | Crown | BSS Soundweb
JonasHansen is offline  
post #933 of 935 Unread 06-22-2016, 11:54 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 156
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 93 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I have a question not about speakers but placement for the surrounds.

I'm going to take my side surround speakers down a bit to better match the ear level. Would I want them placed more to 90° in a 7.1-setup or a little more to the back when my sofa and rears are near the backwall, around 2.5 feet? Will it get better separation with those at around 90°? I'm also planing for Atmos in a while. Does that impact anything with the placement of the side surrounds?

Here are pics with my surrounds. Thanks!



westbergjoakim is offline  
post #934 of 935 Unread 06-23-2016, 09:07 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Dan Hitchman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Northern Colorado
Posts: 12,636
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3272 Post(s)
Liked: 1676
Quote:
Originally Posted by westbergjoakim View Post
I have a question not about speakers but placement for the surrounds.

I'm going to take my side surround speakers down a bit to better match the ear level. Would I want them placed more to 90° in a 7.1-setup or a little more to the back when my sofa and rears are near the backwall, around 2.5 feet? Will it get better separation with those at around 90°? I'm also planing for Atmos in a while. Does that impact anything with the placement of the side surrounds?

Here are pics with my surrounds. Thanks!

Spoiler!


Spoiler!

In your situation, I would only do a 5.1.4 layout. You won't get any real benefit from rear surrounds as there isn't enough space (angle separation) between the sides and the rears. I would, however, have your sides at about 100 degrees, so closer to the wall corner.

I can't see the front of your room, but you could perhaps do 7.1.4 (only with upper end Denon and Marantz gear, mind you) with 5.1.4 plus Front Wides, which might be a better solution in your case. You would take the surrounds you're using behind you now and then placing them in Dolby's recommended FW positions towards the front of the room. They help fill in the sonic gap between the screen wall speakers and the side surrounds. Dolby Atmos uses them all the time as does Neural: X upmixing and native DTS: X.

Also, drop the side wall surrounds to just above head level while seated. They're high enough so somebody's head doesn't block the sound from any other viewer, but low enough to have separation between the lower and upper speaker layers.

Listen up, studios! Just say "NO" to DNR and EE!!

Last edited by Dan Hitchman; 06-23-2016 at 09:12 AM.
Dan Hitchman is online now  
post #935 of 935 Unread 09-05-2016, 11:31 AM
Advanced Member
 
Jonas2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: South Bay Area
Posts: 889
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 504 Post(s)
Liked: 149
Ideally, one would tonally match speakers by sticking within a line and brand - or so my studies thus far indicate - though less critical than L/C/R matching.

Given my less-than-ideal arrangements, I'm probably not going to be able to do this - I need really low-profile side surrounds that force me into a different brand than mains.

I'm hoping to convince my local dealer to set up the surrounds I'm looking at in the same room as the mains I have, should be pretty easy - but I'm looking for recommendations on a soundtrack that could put this to the test - to see how badly mismatched (or not) the speakers might be. Any recommendations?
Jonas2 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Speakers

Tags
Infinity Es 250 Bipole Dipole Dual Monopole Surround Speaker



Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off