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post #61 of 86 Old 08-15-2013, 08:06 AM
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Nice job refurbishing the W/P SoundSmile. I replaced the foam diffreaction pads on my Watt Puppy 5.1 six months ago. A pretty messy and tedious job. I also replaced the rotted foam surrounds on the 4 Puppies...another messy job but I was able to retain the original drivers with new Dynaudio manufacture-spec material. Finally I purchased the cloth grills which put a nice neat finishing touch on the speakers. The original titanium finish on my speakers were 9/10 so didn't have to repaint. I'm the original owner. They still sound pretty good for 15 year old speakers.
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That is awesome!

Yeah the foam was tedious I suppose, but the wet sanding was the worst!

The only place I was unable to refurb that sort of needed it was the foam in the ports. I couldn't figure out how the heck to do it! Remove or install...shrug. I noted that the newer models don't have foamed ports.

What did you do with the silly things?

All of my drivers are Wilson originals.

Hey, as a second owner what makes them 5.1 other than an upgraded puppy tail?
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Replacing the foam in the ports was difficult. Must be something the techs at Wilson get good at. According to the guys at Wilson, you have to "roll" the rectangular foam piece like a jellyroll with the adhesive backing still in place. Then peel off one side of the backing little by little to expose the adhesive and slowly lay the foam inside the port...much easier said than done! Mine came out okay but not perfect. You only get one chance since if you try to re-position the foam, it stretches and the resulting seam ends up a little funky.

I think the upgraded puppy tail was the only thing that separated the W/P 5 from the 5.1 series.
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Yup. I figured that was what the two left over sheets of foam were supposed to do. I will keep them in case they ever really shred, but until then nahhhh.

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I am working on setting them up. They seem a bit brighter than they were with the old set of WATT drivers. Think this is a setup issue on my part or break in on the drivers?

Thanks for the advice BTW.
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As the Wilson Watt/Puppies evolved from the original WATT's thru to the W/P 8's, the knock on them were 1) brightness in the mid and upper mid-range and an upper bass "hump." I don't think you can get away from these characteristics entirely especially in the 5.1. The W/P 6, then 7, 8 gradually tamed some these characteristics in each successive generation.

I remember hearing a demo at an audio show years ago (1996) with the 5.1 driven by an all-tube Jadis system and it was really magic with no brightness or any "hump." Of course it was set up by the late Brooks Berdan with an all analog system (VPI TNT). Brooks was a master. It won the contest for Best Sound in Show (Stereophile Show, if memory serves). The secrets to taming the sound are 1) getting the right associated equipment (tube stuff seems to help), 2) room treatments, and 3) very careful speaker positioning in your room. I use solid state electronics in a pretty "bright" room so some well-recorded records sound great and less well-recorded stuff sounds truly awful. Raising the speakers up with the Puppy Paws will help diminish some of the upper bass 'hump" at 80-90 Hz..

I suspect your new drivers will settle down with time. Toeing the speakers out slightly more than Wilson recommends also seems to tame down the brightness in my system at the price of imaging. Finally, cabling makes a difference too. I've been using Transparent Reference for many years and they seem to work well in my set-up although they're outrageously expensive.

It's a lot of work but when it's done, you can sit back and enjoy the music!
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I will take all that into advisement. The slight towing out does just that.

I think I will break them in a few months before I get too deep.

Thanks a bunch for the help!
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They are breaking in nicely. I really need to leave them on for a few days with the XLO disc or something similar.
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Just curious, what kind/brand of solder does Wilson use?

They sent me a piece with the drivers, and I was duly impressed. I use Wonder Solder or WBT for work and play.
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Why would that matter?

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I liked it. Be interested in a roll.
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Thanks! Jeff for starting this thread on the best loudspeakers in the business.
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As above, beautiful speakers!
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I got my Sophia 2 surround speakers. After setting evertying up, I'm completely blown away by the surround field emitted by the W/P 8 and Sophia 2 combination. I'm considering getting a third W/P 8 for a center channel now.


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I liked it. Be interested in a roll.

Oh. I was thinking that perhaps you thought it might make a difference in the sound. I was about to lambaste you for it!biggrin.gif

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Yeah I know.

I think I need to make a general forum post, as this hasn't managed to get an answer.

I will give it a few days just in case.

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Just call and ask Wilson

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I am thinking about upgrading from my Monitor Audio Platinum PL300s to either Sasha w/p or Sophia 3.

Can anyone who is familiar with PL300s comment on what difference in SQ I can expect or not with either?

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I have always enjoyed Monitors. I had a set of Silver RS6 speaks for a very long time. To me Monitor always produced very listenable speaks that never really do anything wrong.

When I switched to my Watt Puppies, I mostly noticed a much snappier and lively presentation. Specific qualities improved would be speed (above all), impact, and spot on clarity. I find myself in front of them for much longer periods of time and never seem to hit listeners fatigue. There isn't any area that I can say that the Monitors were superior.

If it helps any, non-audio junkies really take to them. Some have even sat in for some serious listening sessions. In which I always play entire cuts. No jumping from track to track and such showing off.

The WAF is great! I have actually noticed her admiring the things...go figure.

My speaks are self rebuilt and refurbed, A pair of Sashas would, I am sure, zip right on by them set!

You can see mine in the posts above.

Good luck and yell if I can help in any way. If you didn't live so far away I would see about setting something up maybe.
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Just call Wilson and ask. I can't imagine they wouldn't tell you.

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I own the Wilson Maxx 2. The sound coming from these speakers is so wide and big that I never got around to doing a full surround set up. So I am running my home theater as a 2 channel set up and yet movies are a lot more engaging than any movie theater you can go to. I am using VTL monoblocks which make a huge difference, in particular to being able to follow speech without subtitles. I mainly use these speakers for movies though and I rarely listen to music on them. Amazing product.
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There is not much activity in this thread. I guess there are not many Wilson owners out there who frequent here. I am a recent Sophia v3 owner, for about 4 months. It has taken about that long for new speakers to settle down. I have come from Coincident speakers (pure reference extreme). Now that I know both speakers quite well I'm left wondering if Wilson would do a special order using an Accuton mid-driver instead of Scanspeak, and tweak the crossover to match? For me that would be the perfect speaker, the finesse detail and imaging of the Coincident/Accuton in the Wilson chassis.

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I have always enjoyed Monitors. I had a set of Silver RS6 speaks for a very long time. To me Monitor always produced very listenable speaks that never really do anything wrong.<br><br>
When I switched to my Watt Puppies, I mostly noticed a much snappier and lively presentation. Specific qualities improved would be speed (above all), impact, and spot on clarity. I find myself in front of them for much longer periods of time and never seem to hit listeners fatigue. There isn't any area that I can say that the Monitors were superior.<br><br>
If it helps any, non-audio junkies really take to them. Some have even sat in for some serious listening sessions. In which I always play entire cuts. No jumping from track to track and such showing off.<br><br>
The WAF is great! I have actually noticed her admiring the things...go figure.<br><br>
My speaks are self rebuilt and refurbed, A pair of Sashas would, I am sure, zip right on by them set!<br><br>
You can see mine in the posts above.<br><br>
Good luck and yell if I can help in any way. If you didn't live so far away I would see about setting something up maybe.
Hey SoundSmile...you still out there. I just saw your post. I too did some refurbishing on some older watt/puppy. Using Jeff Rowland Coherence one (series two) with model 3 mono blocks and MIT 750 speaker cable. The speakers and amps were sitting dormant for almost the last 15 years. Just fired them up a couple of weeks ago. Also using an oppo 105D. My ears are getting older but they do sound delicious. BTW, I am the original owner but never had a chance to set then up and listen to them seriously until just recently.
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Yup. Still out here!

The setup sounds pretty great. Which W/P version? I can't imagine that you are anything less than pleased with ANY version. The cabling and electronics sound tight as well.

Audio only or do you use it as a part of your home entertainment?


I am pleased enough with my system to have absolutely no need to change anything at all.


Lately, and since I spend much time with headphones, I have also been updating that scene.

I tried the OPPO PM-1 and the Audeze LCD-X both with a Centrance HIFI M8 DAC Amp. I settled on the LCD-Xs, however I think I may add the OPPOs at a later date.

I must say that headphones have really come a long way towards meeting a truly high end loudspeaker experience. Different, however only in that they are more personal. Details, speed, presence, and the like are all there. Imaging is very different though. Sometimes more defined and yet sometimes not so much. If you ever get a chance to try a set out jump at it!!
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Yup. Still out here!

The setup sounds pretty great. Which W/P version? I can't imagine that you are anything less than pleased with ANY version. The cabling and electronics sound tight as well.

Audio only or do you use it as a part of your home entertainment?


I am pleased enough with my system to have absolutely no need to change anything at all.


Lately, and since I spend much time with headphones, I have also been updating that scene.

I tried the OPPO PM-1 and the Audeze LCD-X both with a Centrance HIFI M8 DAC Amp. I settled on the LCD-Xs, however I think I may add the OPPOs at a later date.

I must say that headphones have really come a long way towards meeting a truly high end loudspeaker experience. Different, however only in that they are more personal. Details, speed, presence, and the like are all there. Imaging is very different though. Sometimes more defined and yet sometimes not so much. If you ever get a chance to try a set out jump at it!!
^ They are the watt3/puppy2 versions. After sitting around for so many years, the foam grill covers disintegrated along with the foam surrounds on the puppy woofers. fortunately, the drivers on the watts are in near perfect shape.

I sent the puppy driver's out for the refoam and they came back perfect. I have done other refoams myself, which came out very nice, but I wanted to make sure the puppy drivers came out perfect.

I left they backer on the Watts (Piano black) and removed it from the Puppys (black laminate) ....what a pain. But came out nice.

Looking at one of your earlier posts, I saw you had skills on refinishing. What do you suggest I should use to get very minor swirl marks out of my Watts ?

I actually got in touch with Per Skaaning in Denmark (I believe he is the original developer of the Dynaudio 21W54), just in case there would be a need for new drivers.

This system is used only for 2 channel in my Living Room. I have a HT in another part of the house with Klipsch speakers, SVS PB12 plus2, and Pioneer Elite AVR.

Question for you: Do you find your Wilsons a bit lacking in the bass dept. ? Mine are rated to 30HZ and I am not particularly getting any room gain. Seriously considering dual subs to augment this system. Your thoughts?

As for the Oppo 105D. Works out perfectly using only for audio. All my music is on my computer which I use as a server (for music and movies) along with JRiver. I am still experimenting with the Oppo setup as to whether or not I will be using it as a preamp or not. As we speak, My Coherence One is literally in the hands of Jeff Rowland. He is giving it a once over checking and repairing/replacing the capacitors as nec. ...etc.
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