lol Jon. Somewhat a wise answer, as I'm somewhat of an arguer.
I've always said that speakers need to be setup ideally to have a good idea of their potential. With poor placement you do not hear what the speakers are truly capable of.
Environment is also critical. Listening position. Listening room. Again, all critical to gauge speaker performance. When you have so many things which seems questionable, it's unthinkable to say that you can actually conclude anything about it.
I don't see why you feel the need to defend your reputation... No one said TAI products are bad or anything. I'm saying, as craig even said himself, that you really could not conclude anything relating to speaker performance with that GTG. That was not the idea. The idea was to have some fun. Please craig correct me if I'm wrong.
Just take the way the scores were calculated. You had what, 10+ listeners? Each sitting at different positions scoring both the speakers. How many were in the 'sweet spot'? How many were not? How many were in bad spots? Craig said that depending where you sat, one speaker could sound better than the other, and you switch seat, and it was the other speaker which now sounded better!
So how can you honestly come out with a score like "85 vs 81"... You averaged all the bad/good spots in the room?
The room itself did not really represent a real room. No room I know of has a fabric sitting between the speakers and the listeners. No listening room I've seen has so many chairs, couches in the center of the room. No listening room (well besides the ones at show, which normally have very poor acoustics) I know have so many human bodies in the room.
I've once heard the Quads 989 in a sort of 'conference' room and simply could not believe how bad they sounded. They sounded horrible. Not because of the speakers themselves, because of the conditions. If you don't have good conditions, you can't have objective results. I could have said, I give them 34/100, but what would be the point?
Anyhow, you got me really curious now as to what I've said which was so much rubbish and that I do not want to hear. I just read that craig might like to start another thread, maybe we could, or maybe you could pm. I'd really like to hear it.
craig: You said yourself that you couldn't really base yourself on the GTG results no? Should I go search old threads and post you? I think you said yourself this wasn't a speaker test, that it was a GTG to enjoy audio, have fun, etc... Now it seems you're saying otherwise.
So what sounds like was bad in terms of blind controlled test:
1) the switcher
2) room & room acoustics
3) the hiding veil
4) listening positions
1. Using a room.
2. Using a Speaker Grill for the veil.
3. Level matching.
4. More than one person.
Yours doesn't seem to fit with mine, seems you were replying to my 4 numbers.
1) Switcher (not room) as clearly demonstrated by DaveF, using a switching is a big no-no in audio. Are you arguing this still even after the proof and explanations he provided us? (graphs showing drastic effect of even a 2ohms resistor?)
2) Room and room acoustics. See top of post.
your 3) Level matching. No problem doing, just not with a switcher box. See #1.
my #3) Veil, affects sound, so if you want to compare and judge speakers, probably not best to use!
#4) more than 1 person, listening positions: No issue with more than one. But when, like you said, if varies so much from one listening position to another, you should limit the number of listeners to a reasonable area. No use putting 30 people if there's only room for 8 or whatever good listening positions!
Anyhow, your GTG sounds a lot like many trade shows where exhibitors rent hotel rooms and allow people to listen. For sure it can give an idea, but you can never judge a speaker unambiguously just with these kinds of 'tests'. Surely given marks which so objectively define performance with such finality such as points for performance is going pretty far. Especially given, like I said before, all the factors which could falsify the results.
Which, like I said, switcher, veil, room, listening positions were each one by themselves could be said to be important on their own, but when all added together... The uncertainty factor really goes up exponentially.