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The new YSP systems look very cool and now have HDMI.

As a past owner of the YSP-800 and YSP-1100, I am so getting the YSP-4000.

Very cool news !!!!!!!!!!

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the YSP-3000 MSRP $1199.95

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/p...68&VNM=WORKING

the YSP-4000 MSRP $1799.95

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/p...66&VNM=WORKING
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WOW...These look sweet. I'm excited as well, since I was considering the YSP-1100.

I thinking one of these ought to work fairly well in my 11' x 11' room and for basically the price I was looking to spend on a 5.1 system and receiver, I figure it's worth a shot.

I've heard people say that these virtual surrounds can't compare to a similarly priced true 5.1 system, but I'm no audiophile and my ear isn't so discriminating, so it may not matter for me.

Do 40 drivers make a big difference over 21 drivers in terms of the virtual surround effect? Or is it mostly just for playing a bit louder?
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WOW...These look sweet. I'm excited as well, since I was considering the YSP-1100.

I thinking one of these ought to work fairly well in my 11' x 11' room and for basically the price I was looking to spend on a 5.1 system and receiver, I figure it's worth a shot.

I've heard people say that these virtual surrounds can't compare to a similarly priced true 5.1 system, but I'm no audiophile and my ear isn't so discriminating, so it may not matter for me.

Do 40 drivers make a big difference over 21 drivers in terms of the virtual surround effect? Or is it mostly just for playing a bit louder?


Actually the YSP's are a true 5.1 system, not a virtual surround system.
Anyone that says a YSP-1100 cant compare to a 5.1 system has never owned a YSP or has never heard one in the right room with enough walls to reflect the sound.
In a room with 4 walls a YSP sounds better than a 5.1 system (in my opinion), the reason for my opinion is that the surround sound from the YSP sounds more natural to me.
With 5 speakers you can hear what sound is coming from what speaker, its very localized.
With a YSP the best way to describe it is as other have in reviews, "its like your in a sound bubble" or "the sound just seems to be floating all aound you" .
With a rectangular or square shaped room with 4 full walls I would pick a YSP over a 5.1 system any day of the week,,,, there is just no way to discribe how great the YSP can sound in the right room.
Having owned the YSP-800 and the YSP-1100 I would aslo say the 1100 is not just about more volume, it really does produce a better surround sound than the YSP-800.

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Awesome. Thanks Davyo!

I'm putting this in a bedroom with essentially 4 walls (there is no door, just an arched entrance that is the size of a normal door.)

I think I might give the YSP-4000 a shot. Will I lose much of an effect just from basically having the door open? Is the YSP that sensitive?

Or is it just that people are listening to it in rooms that open up into large areas?
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Awesome. Thanks Davyo!

I'm putting this in a bedroom with essentially 4 walls (there is no door, just an arched entrance that is the size of a normal door.)

I think I might give the YSP-4000 a shot. Will I lose much of an effect just from basically having the door open? Is the YSP that sensitive?

Or is it just that people are listening to it in rooms that open up into large areas?

Na, the open archway/door area should not be any problem at all.
The YSP's find wall space to reflect off of and as long as you have "some" wall space it will do great.

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Davyo

Thanks a million for this heads-up as I was getting ready to
pull the trigger on a previous YSP. The feature set on these
new ones will be worth the extra money to me .

HAVE YOU SEEN THIS ITEM FOR SALE YET ??

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I will probably pick one of these up for my bedroom

FYI, 4000 is supposed to be out in September and 3000 in August, but so far the only place that has them for sale, *******, has them on preorder.

Also, these units require a sub and Yamaha is only happy to oblige:

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Yamaha is also debuting two new subwoofers, the YST-FSW150 (130w; $279.95 MSRP) and YST-FSW050 (100w; $199.95 MSRP), with slim, rack-mountable, down-firing active designs that work perfectly to give its new YSP systems extra low-end audio presence. The YST-FSW150 and YST-FSW050 both have minimal heights of 5-15/16-inches and 6-7/16-inches, respectively, that make them ideal for rooms and installations with space limitations. They both feature the company's latest proprietary Yamaha Active Servo Technology II (YST II), which provides extremely stable performance and high sound pressure levels that result in natural and energetic bass reproduction and linear ports for minimizing extraneous noise.

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i've owned the ysp-1 since the initial release about 2 and half years ago and still use it every day. the addition of hdmi is something i could use in my current setup and i would use both hdmi and optical inputs. since yamaha brings out a new version of speakers every fall i don't see why i can't wait for the next version with more hdmi's with the 1.3 spec or even 7 channel's instead of 5. i think they would have to add more speakers to do that but it would make the speaker bigger. they made a smaller version so i can't see why they can't make a bigger one too.

one online retailer has the ysp-4000 for $200 under msrp.
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I was never interested in this topic and know little about it. But now I need to install a Surround system where I just cannot link up the rear speakers with cables.
This is how within the last two days I stumbled across the YSP-1100 and now the YSP-4000 in this post.

I think I now understand the most of the strengths of the system.
Question:
1. What are the weaknesses?
2. What other systems compete with the YSP?
3. Can the listening position be right against the wall? or do you need to leave some space behind for sound reflection?
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Okay, so if you want to use this as your "receiver" you can, i.e. you can hook all your inputs up to it, and it will upconvert them to HDMI which it will output to your TV, and it will handle the audio for you in the process.

Okay, well I don't really want to run all that cable up the wall, I'll probably just go with an A/V receiver that can do this job, and run one HDMI cable up to the TV. Then what? I assume I can simply run a digital optical input up to the YSP and have it reproduce the sound, but then I don't really need the HDMI functions, the switcher, and all this other stuff that is what makes this model so expensive. I like the larger drivers, and numbers of drivers though, so it might still be worth it... I guess if I run an output from the receiver to the 2nd digital audio input I could switch to that when needed. Unneeded amplification in this case, but I wouldn't need to turn on the receiver just to watch TV... I wonder if it does auto-switching between these...

I'm not clear if you can add real rear surrounds to this thing if you want to. It has no 5.1 channel audio RCA inputs, so you can't pick which channels to feed it. And even the 3 beam mode seems to reproduce the left/right rears, which you'd want to suppress if you had external speakers for those. Huh. Seems like using this thing with an external receiver, and possibly with other speakers doesn't really work.
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Seems like using this thing with an external receiver, and possibly with other speakers doesn't really work.


Perhaps you are missing the whole reason for the YSP's.

The YSP's are for being used without an external receiver and without the need to hook up other speakers, thats how and why they were designed.
They are not used with an external receiver hooked up to them and external speakers,,,,,that would defeat the whole reason for the YSP to even exist in the first place.

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As a fan of Yamaha products I find this device fascinating. Looking over the specs I see that one can also run a subwoofer, has anyone used their YSP with a sub?

Any comments as to using a sub and not using one?
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As a fan of Yamaha products I find this device fascinating. Looking over the specs I see that one can also run a subwoofer, has anyone used their YSP with a sub?

Any comments as to using a sub and not using one?

If you do a search on the YSP on this forum you will find just about everybody use's a sub with the YSP's.
Hooking a sub to the YSP makes it sound about a billion times better.

Personaly I am a huge fan of the YSP's and in the right room and set-up correctly I would rather have a YSP than any 5,6 or 7 speaker system.
To me the surround is more natural from the YSP's, not as directional as the sound you get from speakers all over the room.

Cant wait to get my mits on the YSP-4000.

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Can anybody answer my question from above:

Can the listening position be right against the wall? or do you need to leave some space behind for sound reflection?
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I think listening position could be anywhere in the room including by wall.

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Where is the best location to place the subwoofer with a YSP-3000? Could it be place behind the LCD screen? I am going to place the YSP-3000 on a shelf directly under a 46" Sony LCD. This is my first post...thanks for the info.
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Can anybody answer my question from above:

Can the listening position be right against the wall? or do you need to leave some space behind for sound reflection?

To get the full impact of the YSP's you really should have some room behind you for the sound to reflect.
Right up against the wall for your listening postion will cancel out your back L/R speakers that are not really there.

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davyo: where is the best position for the subwoofer...can I place it behind the monitor with the ysp out front?
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davyo: where is the best position for the subwoofer...can I place it behind the monitor with the ysp out front?


Hi,, I dont think the position of the sub really matters with the YSP's, but thats just a guess, however I am fairly certain that the sub location can be anywhere in your room and wont affect the YSP's ability to produce surround sound.

Hope that helps and wecome to the forum.

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Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the YSP-3000 and the 4000. im looking into getting one of them and all ic an notice is the shape. any help would be greatly appreciated! thanks!
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Hello davyo and everyone,

This is my 1st post on this forum and am grateful for the abundance of knowledge that is available here!

We are currently undergoing massive renovations throughout our home and have a situation where a typical 5.1 home theater system is not feasable due to poor speaker locations and wiring issues with the limited options that we have. I have done some research the last 2 days and have found the YSP-1100. It seemed great till my cousin linked me to the up and coming YSP-4000! I can also just layout one of the new Yamaha YST-FSW150 subwoofers right underneath my sectional.

Here is the problem...My 52" Sharp Aquos will be mid air over a BDI cabinet (52" wide), centered between 2 walls. Basically in a "cove" type location. My sectional will run alongside the perimeter of the living room, by the windows, till it eventually turns across the living room. Directly behind the sectional on the far end is the dining room table. The space behind the sectional into the dining room is about 8'. Is this TOO much space behind the listening area for the YSP-4000 to perform properly?

There is a 12' open gap going into the kitchen between the end of the sectional and the dining room table about 15' away from the YSP-4000. Other than that, there is all walls elsewhere. The overall size of the living/dining room is 24' X 11' in which there are walls all around, except for the 12' opening into the kitchen furthest away from the YSP-4000. Also, the situation where there is 8' behind the sectional into the dining room space. Maybe TOO much open space behind the listening location?

I know it is a little confusing, but what do you guys think as far as the sound generated in this envirement?
P.S. Sorry for the long post...hard to explain.
Thanks!!! Pete
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to: Davio and others:

I have a Oppo DV-981HD player that upscales to 1080p. Will there be any advantage to having the ysp-4000 upscale to 1080i? It seems that the upscaling to 1080 is the only difference between the 3000 and the 4000 model? If the Oppo is already upscaling, then would there be any reason to purchase the 4000? Thanks.
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These are upgrades over 3000.

Woofers 4 3/8" x 2
Beam Drivers 1 5/8" x 40
Magnetic Shielding
RMS Output Power (1kHz) 2W x 40 + 20W x 2
Total Power 120W
HDMI Upscaling (up to 1080i)
Audio Inputs (2)
Digital Optical Inputs (2)
Digital Coaxial Inputs (2)
Component Video (In/Out) (2 / 1)
Composite Video (In/Out) (3 / 1)
Front Panel Mini Jack
IR Pass Through
Detachable Power Cord
Preset Remote Control
Product Dimensions (W X H X D) 40 9/16" x 7 5/8" x 4 5/8"
Product Weight (lbs.) 28
Shipping Dimensions (W X H X D) 47" x 12" x 10
Shipping Weight (lbs.) 37
Accessories (Optional) SPM-K30

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These are specs for 3000

Woofers 3 15/16" x 2
Beam Drivers 1 5/8" x 21
Magnetic Shielding •
RMS Output Power (1kHz) 2W x 21 + 20W x 2
Total Power 82W
HDMI (In/Out) • (2 / 1)
HDMI 1080p Switching • (24Hz, 60Hz Refresh Rate)
Analog video to HDMI Upconversion
HDMI Upscaling
Audio Inputs • (2)
Digital Optical Inputs • (2)
Digital Coaxial Inputs • (2)
Component Video (In/Out)
Composite Video (In/Out) • (1 / 1)
Front Panel Mini Jack
IR Pass Through
Detachable Power Cord •
Preset Remote Control •
Product Dimensions (W X H X D) 31 1/2" x 6" x 4 1/2"
Product Weight (lbs.) 19.8
Shipping Dimensions (W X H X D) 38" x 11" x 10"
Shipping Weight (lbs.) 27
Accessories (Optional) SPM-K30

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anyone know when they are coming out??
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Also, I'm very new. What is the RS-232C Interface used for?
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Short for recommended standard-232C, a standard interface approved by the Electronic Industries Alliance (EIA) for connecting serial devices. In 1987, the EIA released a new version of the standard and changed the name to EIA-232-D. And in 1991, the EIA teamed up with Telecommunications Industry association (TIA) and issued a new version of the standard called EIA/TIA-232-E. Many people, however, still refer to the standard as RS-232C, or just RS-232.
Almost all modems conform to the EIA-232 standard and most personal computers have an EIA-232 port for connecting a modem or other device. In addition to modems, many display screens, mice, and serial printers are designed to connect to a EIA-232 port. In EIA-232 parlance, the device that connects to the interface is called a Data Communications Equipment (DCE) and the device to which it connects (e.g., the computer) is called a Data Terminal Equipment (DTE).

The EIA-232 standard supports two types of connectors -- a 25-pin D-type connector (DB-25) and a 9-pin D-type connector (DB-9). The type of serial communications used by PCs requires only 9 pins so either type of connector will work equally well.

Although EIA-232 is still the most common standard for serial communication, the EIA has recently defined successors to EIA-232 called RS-422 and RS-423. The new standards are backward compatible so that RS-232 devices can connect to an RS-422 port.

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Short for recommended standard-232C, a standard interface approved by the Electronic Industries Alliance (EIA) for connecting serial devices. In 1987, the EIA released a new version of the standard and changed the name to EIA-232-D. And in 1991, the EIA teamed up with Telecommunications Industry association (TIA) and issued a new version of the standard called EIA/TIA-232-E. Many people, however, still refer to the standard as RS-232C, or just RS-232.
Almost all modems conform to the EIA-232 standard and most personal computers have an EIA-232 port for connecting a modem or other device. In addition to modems, many display screens, mice, and serial printers are designed to connect to a EIA-232 port. In EIA-232 parlance, the device that connects to the interface is called a Data Communications Equipment (DCE) and the device to which it connects (e.g., the computer) is called a Data Terminal Equipment (DTE).

The EIA-232 standard supports two types of connectors -- a 25-pin D-type connector (DB-25) and a 9-pin D-type connector (DB-9). The type of serial communications used by PCs requires only 9 pins so either type of connector will work equally well.

Although EIA-232 is still the most common standard for serial communication, the EIA has recently defined successors to EIA-232 called RS-422 and RS-423. The new standards are backward compatible so that RS-232 devices can connect to an RS-422 port.

Nice Copy/Paste but what is it used for on the YSP series?
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Just ordered mine online yesterday at $739 on ebay. Has been shipped already, can't wait. Does anyone know the advantage of taking the DVR box and DVD player thru the ysp-3000 then to the HDTV, vs. taking the DVR box, and DVD player directly to the TV, then just the sound from the TV back to the ysp-3000? Must be something good for them to add the HDMI on these new models.

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I'm interested in the YSP-4000, but I'm a bit confused. How would i conect the TV (HDMI), Xbox 360 (HDMI) & PS3 (HDMI) without a Receiver? Thanks for any help
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