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post #1 of 352 Old 08-30-2007, 01:30 PM - Thread Starter
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I have noticed that this speaker line is starting to gain momentum from a few forum members. I thought it would be a good oppertunity for owners and future owners of Acculine speakers to post their setups, chime in, share their thoughts, and opinions about the Acculine speakers.

For those who have not heard or read up on the Acculine speakers, they are a very new brand exclusively available at TheAudioInsider. These may potentially be the next big thing for those looking for budget speakers delivering great sound. I think these are very unique because they feature a Bohlender-Graebener Neo3 (3" Wideband Planar Magnetic Driver) for high frequencies. I am hoping people will try these Acculines out and compare them against other popular Internet Direct speakers in the same price range such as the Ascend 170SE. av123 X-LS, SVS SBS-01, SVS SCS-01M, etc.

My two LCRs should be coming in next week, which will be used in my bedroom 2.1 computer stereo setup. I'll be comparing them with my Boston Acoustics CR67s

Product Links:
Acculine A1 Bookshelfs (Single 5.25", 3" Wideband Planar Magnetic)
http://www.theaudioinsider.com/produ...products_id=65

Acculine A2 LCR (Dual 5.25", 3" Wideband Planar Magnetic)
http://www.theaudioinsider.com/produ...products_id=66

Acculine A3 Towers (Dual 5.25", 3" Wideband Planar Magnetic)
http://www.theaudioinsider.com/produ...products_id=67

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Arx A1 - Bass reflex satellite/monitor. Single 5.25" XBL2 woofer and single 3" planar tweeter. Black simulated ash PVC with black knit grille.

Arx A2 - Bass reflex LCR/Center speaker with rotating tweeter for either vertical or horizontal use. Dual 5.25" XBL2 woofers and single 3" planar tweeter. Black simulated ash PVC with black knit grille.

Arx A3 - Bass reflex floorstanding tower. Dual 5.25" XBL2 woofers and single 3" planar tweeter. Black simulated ash PVC with black knit grille.

Arx A4 - High-output 3-way stand monitor / theater speaker to compliment the A6. Single 6.5" XBL2 woofer, single 5.25" midrange, and single 3" planar tweeter. Black simulated ash PVC with black knit grille. Stocks Fall 2010

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Arx A6 - Large format, horizontal, sealed LCR/center speaker to compliment the A4. Dual 6.5" XBL2 woofers, single 5.25" midrange, and single 3" planar tweeter. Black simulated ash PVC with black knit grille. Stocks Fall 2010

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Very interesting loud-speakers for the price. Look's like they use real phase-plugs.

Where is the information regarding their sub-woofers, I can't seem to find it on the web-site?
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I believe they were out of stock and removed from the site temporarily. Craigsub posted some brief comments on the sub with high praises if I recall correctly. You could always ask Jon Lane directly here on the forums or email on TAI.
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Very interesting loud-speakers for the price. Look's like they use real phase-plugs.

Where is the information regarding their sub-woofers, I can't seem to find it on the web-site?

Jon Lane just posted here about that:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=892824&page=3

Apparently they're just out of stock at the moment.
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Apparently they're just out of stock at the moment

thanks for your response!
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The Acculine bookshelf speakers look a lot like the Bohlender Z1's (and the tower looks like another model in the Z series), and it sounds like BG is at least making the tweeter. They also all seem to have aluminum midrange drivers. Are they the same speakers, perhaps just made in a different factory?
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Jon Lane from The Audio Insider has hinted that they are either the same or very similar in a previous thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post11447786

One difference is that the BG-Z series uses the Neo3-PDR Ribbon. According to Jon, the Acculines use the Neo3, which offer a higher sensitivity than the PDR version.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...G#post11453460

I am expecting that these Acculines should have many of the same sound characteristics as the BG-Z speakers. Here's a review of the Z-1 speaker, which should be related to the A1. Might give you an idea of what to expect

http://www.bgcorp.com/uploads/review...897_eprint.pdf
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That makes a lot of sense, thanks.

I had read that Stereophile review; he seemed to feel they held up pretty well against the Epos M5's, which I thought was a very good sign. I have those Epos and they're very nice for their class. For $249 these Acculines sound like a screaming bargain. If I didn't have some other new toys on their way I might get a pair just to check them out.
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I too have read all the good things regarding this new line. Please post thoughts asap as I would like to get these before they are out of stock. Part of my criteria is not only great sound, but the "bang orthe buck" mentality. If these are as good as initial reports, I'm in!
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I follow the same mentality reguy. Just graduating college, I am still paying back student loans, etc... yet I love HiFi audio since I moved on from Computer Speakers about 3 years ago. Getting the most bang/buck and getting great sound is really important to me, which is why I am so enthusiastic about these.

Like most ID vendors, AudioInsider offers you a 30day trial or your money back (minus shipping costs back). My two LCRs should be here next week (hopefully they ship out today), and I will try to post my results and some pictures / comparisons with my Boston Acoustics CR67. By no means am I experienced at reviewing, but I will have subjective opinions on how they sound with a variety of music
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Hi Folks, this is cool: An Acculine thread! A few points if I may:

The line is indeed fashioned after BG's thinking on smaller, high-res speaker systems based on their excellent Neo3 planar tweeter. It is not a duplicate of their Z-Line products, which use the PDR version of that tweeter and some fabulous real wood veneers. Our version is more sensitive but a bit more directional, and is finished in PVC, making it good for HT and savvy, budget-oriented 2-channel guys.

Acculine is aimed at extreme-value online markets and is, to be fair, a set of somewhat less expensive manufacturing choices, most importantly in finishes -- some customers want absolute best sonic value regardless and obviously at TAI we commend that rather brilliant thinking. We're very pleased that BG retained as much BG-style performance as they did at these prices. It's going to be an interesting Fall...

On to specific models.

-Yes, the ASub is out of stock but in next-gen production. A precise ETA is unknown as of today, but we trust Q4, 2007.
-A sibling 15" powered sub is also coming in.
-Updated pics on the A2 and other models should be up this weekend.
-We have contracted ample stocks of the A1 5.25" satellite, the A2 dual 5.25" LCR, and the A3 dual 5.25" tower, which are here. (Miwo, yours should ship today.)
-If I can get an acoustically manageable alloy 6.5" midwoofer, I'm planning a 6.5" satellite for ASAP. Smart? Not smart?
-Ditto a dual 6.5" 3-way tower. Interesting?

I believe craigsub will show these models and systems in PA in Sept (wish I could be there. You out there craigsub?) Naturally, we're always happy to place other samples and you know where we are, so...

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The Acculine A1's, a single A2 and a pair of A3's will be available for audition at the GTG ... along with speakers from Ascend, PSB, AV123, other TAI stuff, Tyler Acoustics, NHT, B&W ... etc ...
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I am very, Very, VERY intrested in the A1s.....I notice the Z1s are rear ported so I assume the Acculines will be as well....does that mean I shouldn't mount them close to a wall?

I noticed in the Stereophile review the Z1 was mounted between one and two feet minimum from a wall...do you think I could get away with mounting them 3-4 inchest from a wall, or is that a bad idea?


Also craig/john....do you think the Dana 630s would be a better choice since they are front ported?

How far away from the wall can you mount the Danas?
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As far as the port causing an issue when 2-3 inches from the wall, it won't. All speakers will lose some imaging when place close to a wall, ported, sealed ... it does not matter.

The 630's are a nice choice because they are a furniture quality finish. The Ascend 170's, Acculine A1's, Dana 630's and AV123 XLS-EX are all very nice monitors for the $250-$450 range.
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Acculine speakers with 6.5" woofers sound very interesting to me, I'd say good idea.
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Would you gain any more musicality from a 6 and a half inch speaker over a 5 and a quarter speaker in a system with a good sub?

All things equal, wouldnt the smaller driver provide a better midrange if your sub was handling the lower end of the midrange anyway?
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Two 5.x" drivers in a front ported (for wall mounting) enclosure would also work.
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As an example of how good the Acculine stuff is sonically, we have a pair of Rocket 850 Sigs with the RSC-200 Center ($2600 retail ... available usually for about $2100) and the Swan 6.2 with the 5.2 center ($1700) in the room, sitting passive.

The $678 Acculine speakers are so good that they are doing a great job as the LCR for our home theater. I have not had one moment of thinking "I should put the XXXX back into the system".
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Would you gain any more musicality from a 6 and a half inch speaker over a 5 and a quarter speaker in a system with a good sub?

All things equal, wouldnt the smaller driver provide a better midrange if your sub was handling the lower end of the midrange anyway?

Good questions. Our thinking is that the simpler 6.5" sat may cost less than the A2 LCR but move more air at lower frequencies (less sensitivity; 8 ohm load). The trick is managing a larger metal cone's midrange -- fortunately the tweeter goes somewhat lower than the usual 25mm or 28mm dome, easing the crossover, which makes this model worth considering.

For matched LCR systems used with subs, of course, the A2 is the preferred choice.

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Two 5.x" drivers in a front ported (for wall mounting) enclosure would also work.

Yes, we're also considering onwalls. What's the driver choice/layout consensus there?

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The $678 Acculine speakers are so good that they are doing a great job as the LCR for our home theater. I have not had one moment of thinking "I should put the XXXX back into the system".

I think I just raised your price, craigsub...

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I think I just raised your price, craigsub...

You kidding Jon? For the amount of excellent free publicity he's giving you, you should give him a free set!
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You kidding Jon? For the amount of excellent free publicity he's giving you, you should give him a free set!

Totally. We may have forgotten to add margin, einsteinjb. Can we make it up on volume?

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I think I just raised your price, craigsub...

You can take this up with my wife. She already knows what we paid for them. If you can get her to pony up some more $$$$, you will be my hero.
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Yes, we're also considering onwalls. What's the driver choice/layout consensus there?

Jon, I saw "6.5" satellite" and assumed you meant surround/rear.

I personally eschew flat onwall design -- I prefer more air behind the drivers -- but inwalls seem to be in demand so don't let me disenchant you

The key is to enable a 60Hz global x-o. Folks who have heard surround/rears that would "relaxedly" play down below 60Hz liked the sound -- but mfgrs are caught up in standards that were adopted to enable HTIB.

If, like many of us, you listen to imperfectly mixed soundtracks and/or don't have a lot of distance between surround/rear and listening position, some additional dispersion reduces localization and increases immersiveness.

Dipoles accomplish the dispersion, but the intentional null and the crossover required to implement it exact a sound quality penalty.

A 45-45 degree front ported bipole, each face having a 5.x" woofer and a relatively wide dispersion tweeter, probably has the greatest utility. The enclosure must be front ported. The existing AV123/Swan dipole cabinet, front ported and x-o'd as a bipole, would be very good. Drivers would be the same as the other Acculines.

OTOH, if you made a front ported 6.x" / Neo two-way bookshelf with no baffle step compensation, a minimum impedance of 6 ohms, and a reasonable price, folks could buy a quad of them and make parallel-wired bipoles out of them
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Thanks for the carefully reasoned insights, ggunnell.

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Jon, I saw "6.5" satellite" and assumed you meant surround/rear.

At the time I was thinking front monitor/satellite.

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Folks who have heard surround/rears that would "relaxedly" play down below 60Hz liked the sound

Easily done, including with your next idea:

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A 45-45 degree front ported bipole, each face having a 5.x" woofer and a relatively wide dispersion tweeter, probably has the greatest utility. The enclosure must be front ported.

A solid idea, at that...

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OTOH, if you made a front ported 6.x" / Neo two-way bookshelf with no baffle step compensation, a minimum impedance of 6 ohms, and a reasonable price, folks could buy a quad of them and make parallel-wired bipoles out of them

The Dana 640 is such a beast, albeit with a 5.25" midwoofer.

We will take this to heart and stir in some of our team's thinking. There's one particularly interesting permutation I'd like to explore myself...

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Yes, we're also considering onwalls. What's the driver choice/layout consensus there?

For 7.1, you generally want both bipoles and monopoles. The bipoles go on the sides, and the monopoles go in the rear. You can even make the monopoles in such a fashion that they'd compliment a flat screen on the wall. Take a look at Totem Tribes - I think they did a good job appealing to that crowd for aesthetics.
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As an example of how good the Acculine stuff is sonically, we have a pair of Rocket 850 Sigs with the RSC-200 Center ($2600 retail ... available usually for about $2100) and the Swan 6.2 with the 5.2 center ($1700) in the room, sitting passive.

The $678 Acculine speakers are so good that they are doing a great job as the LCR for our home theater. I have not had one moment of thinking "I should put the XXXX back into the system".

Holy crapola, Batman! Here I was, interested in the planar tweeters in the Acculines, and you drop a bombshell like this! I presently own Swan 5.1s, a C3 center, and R3 surrounds. I've been contemplating three A2s for the front LCR, with A1s for the surrounds. You REALLY think they sound that good??!! Wow...!
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we do need someone to test three A2s for HT.....
I only ordered two A2s for my bedroom / computer stereo setup hah
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Good questions. Our thinking is that the simpler 6.5" sat may cost less than the A2 LCR but move more air at lower frequencies (less sensitivity; 8 ohm load). The trick is managing a larger metal cone's midrange -- fortunately the tweeter goes somewhat lower than the usual 25mm or 28mm dome, easing the crossover, which makes this model worth considering.

For matched LCR systems used with subs, of course, the A2 is the preferred choice.



Jon, please forgive me, but I don't think I understand your answer to my question...


What would you say are the pros and cons of a(same make and product line) bookshelf speaker with a 5.x-inch mindrange vs. one with a 6.x-inch midrange...

My gut instinct leads me to gravitate to the speaker with the smaller driver since the sub would be better at handling the 40-80Hz range than any 6 1/2 inch midrange and decreased mass of a smaller 5 1/4-inch driver in, say, an acculine A1 would respond faster to audio data anyway....


In other words, with a 5.1 or 7.1ch system, the speaker with the smaller driver would be superior, all things considered equal...


Jon, what is your response to this line of thinking??


Craig and anyone else, feel free to chime in here.....any/all feedback is mucho appreciated
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