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post #901 of 1424 Old 08-29-2010, 09:10 AM
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glad i asked. i will keep it this way. i had a feeling up to ceiling will not be better setup for me.

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Due to the layout of my room, I originally had the QS8's near the ceiling. I've since been able to move them to just above ear level. IMO, moving them lower made them better.

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nom nom nom (will be hiding the speaker wire with crown molding shortly after painting the ceiling)





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^Wow. Nice. Clean. ^
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Looks very impressive, how do they sound in that large of a room?

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Hey guys I just bought some Axiom in walls, three M22's and a pair of M2's, and I was wondering if anyone had any experience with them yet as far as installation goes? They sound amazing right now and I just have them sitting on top of my entertainment center. I'm going to install them this weekend with my dad and brother and will take any tips or advice you could give. Sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask about installation and I didn't have time to read the thread so any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

Btw skimmr your set-up looks amazing! I love how clean and minimalist it is.
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Looks very impressive, how do they sound in that large of a room?

They sound great to me! The room is 16x17' and aside from testing the walls for sound penetration (to make sure our neighbors don't hate us) we haven't turned it up over 50%. They're plenty loud and nice and clear as far as I can tell.

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Hey guys I just bought some Axiom in walls, three M22's and a pair of M2's, and I was wondering if anyone had any experience with them yet as far as installation goes? They sound amazing right now and I just have them sitting on top of my entertainment center. I'm going to install them this weekend with my dad and brother and will take any tips or advice you could give. Sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask about installation and I didn't have time to read the thread so any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

Btw skimmr your set-up looks amazing! I love how clean and minimalist it is.

I don't have firsthand experience with Axiom in-walls, but it should be pretty straightforward. They will come with a template so you can get the hole exactly the right size with a simple drywall saw.

Be sure to use CL2 rated speaker wire.
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Completed my upgrade from YSP-4000 to Axiom W22 + VP100. Sounds much better than Yamaha YSP in terms of separation, details and no ear piercing high. Pair nicely with Marantz NR-1501 for max WAF. Even my wife say the on wall fit nicely to the deco. I ask my carpenter to add-on 4 columns to mount the speaker as I don't have dry wall.
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Anyone know of a affordable stand for the center? Looking for something that's around 13-16 high. (I like the axiom stand and since its only $100 that's potentially doable)

How about for QS8 surrounds? 286 is way more then i want to spend. This is the one i need the most help with.

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Anyone know of a affordable stand for the center? Looking for something that's around 13-16 high. (I like the axiom stand and since its only $100 that's potentially doable)

How about for QS8 surrounds? 286 is way more then i want to spend. This is the one i need the most help with.

Thanks.

You could always try making stands yourself for real cheap. That's what I did. Only took a few hours and I have no expertise with this kind of stuff.
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Anyone know of a affordable stand for the center? Looking for something that's around 13-16 high. (I like the axiom stand and since its only $100 that's potentially doable)

How about for QS8 surrounds? 286 is way more then i want to spend. This is the one i need the most help with.

Thanks.

I have no idea on what the cost would be compared to Axiom, but if you're not a fan of the DIY look, you could look into custom-made stands from eD. Here's an example from another thread.
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I don't have firsthand experience with Axiom in-walls, but it should be pretty straightforward. They will come with a template so you can get the hole exactly the right size with a simple drywall saw.

Be sure to use CL2 rated speaker wire.

Yah I bought some speaker wire from monoprice. Axiom forgot to send a template for the M22, but its the same width as the M2 so I'll just use that one and adjust for the height of the speaker. I'll take some pics when I'm done and post them.
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I've recently been on Axiom's website, and noticed that they are now producing a V3 version of the M 80. Yet, I can't seem to find out what changes where made, compared to the V2.

Does anyone have the answer?
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I've recently been on Axiom's website, and noticed that they are now producing a V3 version of the M 80. Yet, I can't seem to find out what changes where made, compared to the V2.

Does anyone have the answer?

You must not have spent too much time there, it has been thoroughly discussed for months over there .

The highlights:

Cosmetic--magnetic grill mounts, dust caps that match the cones
Slight crossover and driver revisions
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The main cosmetic changes are the aluminum dust caps, which are now made from the same material as our cones, and the elimination of the grille pins with the introduction of magnet grilles. It should be noted that the in-wall products will remain with grille pins as the female grille pin in the baffle is the access point for the screws which control the swing arms to mount these products to your wall.

As for changes to the performance we have redesigned our tweeter, all of our crossovers, and most of our woofers.

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looking for feedback on their new 180 center, I tried the 150 and sent it back, voices on it seemed soft, wondering if the 180 is better, thanks
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looking for feedback on their new 180 center, I tried the 150 and sent it back, voices on it seemed soft, wondering if the 180 is better, thanks

Hi , i have had the VP-180 for about 3 months now and love it .

Its big , loud and goes low for a center channel.

Also have the M80's as well and there obviously a good fit.

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looking for feedback on their new 180 center, I tried the 150 and sent it back, voices on it seemed soft, wondering if the 180 is better, thanks

There's quite a bit of discussion over on the Axiom website forums, the feedback I've seen is overwhelmingly positive.
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Here is my VP180 powered by a M2200 monoblock. I hooked it up yesterday and put on Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band song "Hit The Ground Running", great recording and really makes the system shine. Friends were very impressed. And I was watching an episode of X Files later and the voices were fuller. Thoroughly recommend the new VP180.
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I'm in the market for some front/center floor standing speakers for my apartment in Manhattan and narrowed things down to either the Axiom M60 v3 or the Aperion Intimus 5T towers...I know this is the Axiom forum but does anyone have any opinions on which way I should go...I'm not looking for ear piercing sound, just nice balanced tones (even at low volumes) for my Blu-ray's and HDTV watching (also since I live in an apartment and don't want to go overboard)
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I'm in the market for some front/center floor standing speakers for my apartment in Manhattan and narrowed things down to either the Axiom M60 v3 or the Aperion Intimus 5T towers...I know this is the Axiom forum but does anyone have any opinions on which way I should go...I'm not looking for ear piercing sound, just nice balanced tones (even at low volumes) for my Blu-ray's and HDTV watching (also since I live in an apartment and don't want to go overboard)

I can't compare since I no nothing about Aperion, but I can say I love my M60 V2's. They sound super nice with my old vinyl even when I play them without my sub.
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So after looking at Vauktu post and some additional photos I have created some surround stands myself.

I went through 3 versions trying to get the most stable version.
I wasn't sure what size brackets vauktu used so I experiment led and am using a few different types.

On this current version I have no wobble and even with the speaker attached the vertical piece does not bend which is impressive.

My own issue is that I can't use banana plugs because the vertical piece is right where they need to go. Anyone have thoughts?

If people are interest I can do a write up on how I made them.
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looking for feedback on their new 180 center, I tried the 150 and sent it back, voices on it seemed soft, wondering if the 180 is better, thanks

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Hi , i have had the VP-180 for about 3 months now and love it .

Its big , loud and goes low for a center channel.

Also have the M80's as well and there obviously a good fit.

Rob

Panzer, the PTPlayers is correct and i agree with him 100%! remember, it also depends on your source, if what your listening to has some very low sound situated in the center that is the way it is. also if everything is leveled out at approx 75db (sometimes a little more or less depends on your taste) will help things out very well. about how long did you have the VP150 before you sent it back and what kind of L & R speakers do you have, if you don't mind my asking? i sent you a PM, let me know if your interested and i'll set it up!

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I'm looking to get an Axiom 5.0 surround system. I am interested in a couple of M22s for FL,FR and a couple of M2s for surrounds. I'm kind of confused on center channel. I was looking to get a VP150 as it was in my price range but did not see good feedback for that in these forums. So, was thinking to get an additional M22 as a center channel. Will that work well? Can anyone who tried that post some feedback?

Thanks for any inputs.
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I'm looking to get an Axiom 5.0 surround system. I am interested in a couple of M22s for FL,FR and a couple of M2s for surrounds. I'm kind of confused on center channel. I was looking to get a VP150 as it was in my price range but did not see good feedback for that in these forums. So, was thinking to get an additional M22 as a center channel. Will that work well? Can anyone who tried that post some feedback?

Thanks for any inputs.

after having an online friend come over to my place to audition my axioms, he went a purchased 7 axiom speakers with 3 M22v3's and 4 QS8v3 surrounds and he is very, very happy with them. mind you I have M80's & the VP180 and QS8 surrounds but he was very impressed with the quality of the speakrs and the sound and the pizza didn't hurt either! on his behalf, based on what he has written to me to let me know, i can recommend the m22's to you. he did a smart thing and got 3 m22's for his front so they are complete matching speakers, an excellent way to go if it's not gonna block your gear or your screen bottom. if your in the washington, DC or VA, MD area your welcome to come on over and Audition my axioms if you would like. this will give you an idea (on a larger scale) of what to expect from the M22's.

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I'm looking to get an Axiom 5.0 surround system. I am interested in a couple of M22s for FL,FR and a couple of M2s for surrounds. I'm kind of confused on center channel. I was looking to get a VP150 as it was in my price range but did not see good feedback for that in these forums. So, was thinking to get an additional M22 as a center channel. Will that work well? Can anyone who tried that post some feedback?

Thanks for any inputs.

An M22 makes and excellent center speaker, much better than the VP150 IMO and also less expensive. Having 3 matching front speakers is also considered ideal since they usually share a lot of audio information between them with most program material. IMO the M22 is bang for the buck the best stand alone Axiom speaker. If you were running a subwoofer and not in a large room I would actually recommend 3 M2s up front since I find that when crossed over to a subwoofer at 80Hz they are indistinguishable from the M22s. But w/o the sub, unless you already have one, the M22s will have a little more bass extension than the M2s.

Horizontal centers are a compromise design necessitated because most people can't fit a regular speaker under or over their display. IMO the VP150 is the worst bang for the buck in the Axiom line-up.

Curious why M2 surrounds and not QS8s. Cost? The QS8s are a phenomenal surround speaker. Much better than the M2 or M22 IMO. The M2 can make a good rear speaker if you have some distance say 5 feet or more.

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Curious why M2 surrounds and not QS8s. Cost? The QS8s are a phenomenal surround speaker. Much better than the M2 or M22 IMO. The M2 can make a good rear speaker if you have some distance say 5 feet or more.

My room size is 15'L x 13'W x 9'H which opens out to a kitchen. So, it's about 21'L x 13'w x 9'H. Would M2s be good enough for surrounds?

I am getting an SVS PC12-NSD sub. 3 M2s would be good enough I guess instead of 3 M22s. With 3M22s, QS8 will bust my budget but with 3 M2s I should rethink about the rear speakers.
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I am getting an SVS PC12-NSD sub. 3 M2s would be good enough I guess instead of 3 M22s. With 3M22s, QS8 will bust my budget but with 3 M2s I should rethink about the rear speakers.

With that great sub choice I would save the money and get 3xM2s for the front, especially if it will allow you to upgrade from the M2s to QS8s. IMO it‘s a “no-brainer.” The only thing the M22s would give you in that size room more than the M2s is the ability to play louder in the midrange w/o distorting, but you’re going to have to listen really loud (hearing damage loud) to hear a difference.

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My room size is 15'L x 13'W x 9'H which opens out to a kitchen. So, it's about 21'L x 13'w x 9'H. Would M2s be good enough for surrounds?

I would get the QS8s. The M2s are ok as surrounds and better as rear speakers but the QS8s are outstanding. Many people who own other speaker brands for mains opt for QS8 surrounds because they are just that good. I would skip the Axiom stands and go with wall mounting with the supplied bracket if possible. Another option is to shelf mount them or even make your own stands. Remember the QS8 has a downward firing midrange driver which needs to be left uncovered. People have even put them on a shelf propped up with soup cans or painted blocks of wood to give the drive a few inches clearance.

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Thanks for your suggestions. I was also thinking about QS4 for surrounds which is a bit in my price range. I know they won't be as good as QS8 but I hope they should be better than having M2s for surrounds.

I thought I have to buy the wall mounting speaker brackets separately. Axiom sells one which fits most of its speakers. Also, are you suggesting to wall mount the fronts instead of stand mounting them? I will definitely wall mount QS4/8s but was thinking of getting a stand for FL & FR.
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Though I haven’t compared them those who have say that the QS8s it way better than the QS4 so if it was up to me I would even wait on purchasing them until I had the funds.

The QS8s come with a “T” shaped wall mount but it only works if the speaker is mounted flush to the wall. If you want it to stick out or angle it then you would need to use something else. The QS8s are made to be wall mounted so they work fine with the provided brackets assuming your room layout allows for it.

I would never wall mount front speakers unless there was no other option and if they truly had to be on the wall not a shelf then I would use dedicated on or in wall speakers. My preference for front speakers is to have them free standing (on stands if bookshelf) because it allows for the most tweaking options to get the best soundstage. Next I would choose to mount them on shelves that at least gave them a few inches of clearence from the wall but also allowed some flexibility in moving them side to side and possibly up and down. Next I would pick on wall speakers and last would be in wall speakers.

I do understand that many people have needs besides just creating the best soundstage they can but understand the farther down the above list you move the more you are likely compromising the performance of your speakers.

Again I would look at local buying or DIY options for the front speaker stands. The Axiom stands are nice and would go well with a more modern look but IMO they are expensive for what they do.

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