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I found 5 boxes in my driveway yesterday. I figured I would have to sign for them, guess not. Only disappointment was the stands for my QS8's weren't there. I called Noreen at Axiom and she said they were on backorder and would probably go out on Monday,!

Set the M80's to large, crossed over at 80 hz to my Epic Sentinel sub for now. Will try more options as time permits. VP150 sits on a shelf right under the TV. I did manual MCACC, using RS meter, on my Pio Elite for now until I get the stands. I like what I hear so far - clear, crisp, articulate, detailed sound with music. Haven't done a movie yet. Once my stands get here I'm really looking forward to getting the QS8's up and running.
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I found 5 boxes in my driveway yesterday. I figured I would have to sign for them, guess not. Only disappointment was the stands for my QS8's weren't there. I called Noreen at Axiom and she said they were on backorder and would probably go out on Monday,!

Set the M80's to large, crossed over at 80 hz to my Epic Sentinel sub for now. Will try more options as time permits. VP150 sits on a shelf right under the TV. I did manual MCACC, using RS meter, on my Pio Elite for now until I get the stands. I like what I hear so far - clear, crisp, articulate, detailed sound with music. Haven't done a movie yet. Once my stands get here I'm really looking forward to getting the QS8's up and running.
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Which Pio Elite do you have running your Axiom speakers?

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For anyone familiar, are Axioms much brighter than Aperion.

I had decided on Aperion 6T, 5C across the front,
but Axiom M60 and VP150 are a couple hundred dollars cheaper, and Axiom are generally very well reviewed.

Policy on shipping/return etc. is about the same too, and they are Cdn (where I am).

Most of the Axiom reviews have been raves, but one did mention fatigue. I don't like a bright/forward sound (just a full/clear one).
My HT room is 11 x16 and audio bright (no curtains, hardwood, no large openings).

There is one poster here that had both in their home at the same time, but he didn't like either of them and sent the lot back.

Looking for any other opinions.
Thanks.
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Which Pio Elite do you have running your Axiom speakers?
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For anyone familiar, are Axioms much brighter than Aperion.

I had decided on Aperion 6T, 5C across the front,
but Axiom M60 and VP150 are a couple hundred dollars cheaper, and Axiom are generally very well reviewed.

Policy on shipping/return etc. is about the same too, and they are Cdn (where I am).

Most of the Axiom reviews have been raves, but one did mention fatigue. I don't like a bright/forward sound (just a full/clear one).
My HT room is 11 x16 and audio bright (no curtains, hardwood, no large openings).

There is one poster here that had both in their home at the same time, but he didn't like either of them and sent the lot back.

Looking for any other opinions.
Thanks.

The M60s are a good starting point for a nice smooth less forward sound, for reference you can listen to Paradigm Studio 60s, they sound very similar. I would suggest checking out Axiom's own forum and look into the Hearing Things section, a sticky at the top has owners listed that are willing to give auditions, something I do quite often

An area rug would help tone down that room

I have not heard Aperion so I can not comment on them.
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I found 5 boxes in my driveway yesterday. I figured I would have to sign for them, guess not. Only disappointment was the stands for my QS8's weren't there. I called Noreen at Axiom and she said they were on backorder and would probably go out on Monday,!

Set the M80's to large, crossed over at 80 hz to my Epic Sentinel sub for now. Will try more options as time permits. VP150 sits on a shelf right under the TV. I did manual MCACC, using RS meter, on my Pio Elite for now until I get the stands. I like what I hear so far - clear, crisp, articulate, detailed sound with music. Haven't done a movie yet. Once my stands get here I'm really looking forward to getting the QS8's up and running.


If you have a sub, try setting the speakers to small. Let the Sub do its job.

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If you have a sub, try setting the speakers to small. Let the Sub do its job.

As stated in my post, I have an Epic Sentinel sub. I took your advice, set the M80's to small, and like the results. Thanks. These are my first towers so there is a learning curve. I'm just experimenting to get the best marriage between my sub and towers. Alot different than my previous Polk RT7's bookshelves. Again, thanks, I appreciate the help.
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For anyone familiar, are Axioms much brighter than Aperion.

I had decided on Aperion 6T, 5C across the front,
but Axiom M60 and VP150 are a couple hundred dollars cheaper, and Axiom are generally very well reviewed.

Policy on shipping/return etc. is about the same too, and they are Cdn (where I am).

Most of the Axiom reviews have been raves, but one did mention fatigue. I don't like a bright/forward sound (just a full/clear one).
My HT room is 11 x16 and audio bright (no curtains, hardwood, no large openings).

There is one poster here that had both in their home at the same time, but he didn't like either of them and sent the lot back.

Looking for any other opinions.
Thanks.

While I'm not familiar with Aperion, I am familiar with bright and I hate it. For example, I cannot listen to Klipsch for very long until they really start to bug me (fatigue I guess). I can (and do) listen to my M60's, VP150, and QS8's for many hours at a time.
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The stands for my QS8's finally arrived via FedEx yesterday and I wasted no time getting them assembled so I could get the QS8's up and running. I let auto MCACC do it's thing then tweeked the settings a little in manual MCACC. I had direct radiating speakers in the rear before so the sound of the QS8's is diferent than what I am used to but I do enjoy the way the sound is spread out more.
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question guys, if the QS8s are used as "rears" in a 5.1 set up, can that work? how would it sound? My room is very small (10'x9') and the display is on the 10' wall and the sofa is right to the back of the opposite 10' wall and that is the wall i want to place the QS8s. My constraints do not allow me to place them in a side surround position so that is not even an option. Has anyone done this with their listening position being on the wall the QS8s would be on?
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question guys, if the QS8s are used as "rears" in a 5.1 set up, can that work? how would it sound? My room is very small (10'x9') and the display is on the 10' wall and the sofa is right to the back of the opposite 10' wall and that is the wall i want to place the QS8s. My constraints do not allow me to place them in a side surround position so that is not even an option. Has anyone done this with their listening position being on the wall the QS8s would be on?


In my previous home I had the QS8's on the back wall. Granted I was using them in a 7.1 but they still sounded great.

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I have mine on the rear wall about 3 ft back and 2 ft up from the main seat and they sound great. I tried them directly to the side and was not happy with what I got. Mine is a 5.1 setup.
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Thanks for your response and assistance but your application is a lot different to mine since you actually have space between your listening position and the speakers. In my case my head is on the same wall as the speakers would be, so it will be quite different. Thanks anyway.
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Many people have them mounted on the rear wall out to the sides (this still makes them side surrounds and not rear channels in a 5.1) and say they work great. Remember you are still not right against the back wall and the speakers are pretty flush to the wall when mounted with the included 'T' bracket. There will be about a foot or so distance unless your couch is very thin. I have mine mounted to the side but are only 6 inches off the back wall and they work great. Just try to adhere to the height position of about 2' above seated ear level if possible even if not they will be great.
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Gents - Quick question...I have been trying to make decision for months...
Final changes to : 2 M60's - VP150 - 4 M22 as surrounds. Room Size 18' L X 14' W X 9' Ceilin

My friend is pressuring me to pull the trigger for Aperion - since he own Aperion 5T series.

M22 as surrounds is good?? Surrounds will be inside the Artificial column, So going to QS8 and QS4 is not that easy for me.

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M22 as surrounds is good?? Surrounds will be inside the Artificial column, So going to QS8 and QS4 is not that easy for me.

I don't understand why you think M22s are more appropriate as surrounds inside these columns. Why couldn't you use QS4s? (I didn't want to hang my QS4s on walls, so I have them sitting on little open wire baskets --- seems to work okay.)

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I own the M22's, but never heard the Aperions. From studying them the past few minutes, it looks like you will pay about double for the Aperions. They are more of a mini-tower, whereas the Axioms are a large bookshelf. It also looks like you are going to get slightly better sound quality from the Aperions, especially in the upper range, which makes some reviewers label them as bright. They also have a little more bass extension than the Axioms, but that is probably due to their bigger cabinet.

So, it's either twice the price for the Aperions for a somewhat better frequency range and bigger cabinet, or the Axioms at half the price and a smaller cabinet.
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The M22's are a great speaker, but 4 might be a little much for surround duty in your room IMHO. What about the M2's or M3's? That could save you some $$ and still give you great sound.
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I don't understand why you think M22s are more appropriate as surrounds inside these columns. Why couldn't you use QS4s? (I didn't want to hang my QS4s on walls, so I have them sitting on little open wire baskets --- seems to work okay.)

So you think this will work fine?? -- I will go with QS4 than QS8 -- my room size is 14'X18'X9' Ceiling




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The M22's are a great speaker, but 4 might be a little much for surround duty in your room IMHO. What about the M2's or M3's? That could save you some $$ and still give you great sound.

I felt the same - good i realized it before building the columns...M22 is over kill..

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People really compare speakers with Specs ? When DB is higher - will it provide the sound crisp - sharp ; dont know how to call it is..

Comparison Aperion 6C Axiom VP150
Enclosure 1" HDF, sealed Acoustic Suspension Ported
Max Amp Power: 300 watts 400 Watts
Min Amp Power: 50 10 Watts
Freq Resp +/-3dB (Hz): 55-20,000 Hz 85 - 20 kHz
Freq Resp +3dB- 9dB (Hz): 50-22,000 Hz 55 - 20 kHz
Impedance (Ohms): 6 ohms 6 Ohms
SPL in Room1w/1m(dB): 98 dB
SPL Anechoic 1w/1m(dB): 87 dB 94dB
X-Over 2.7 kHz
Tweeter: 1" Dual 1"
Woofer: 2 6.5" Triple 5.25"
Mid-range 5.25" None
Driver Configuration 3-Way
Dimens. H W D (inches): "8.5"" H x 25"" W x 11"" D 7.5" x 27.5 " x 7.5 "
Weight (lbs) each 39 lbs 21.8 lbs

Comparison Intimus 5T Axiom M60
Enclosure "1"" HDF, Ported Triple Vortex / Reflex
Max Amp Power: "50-200 Watts 250*Watts
Min Amp Power: "50-200 Watts 10*Watts
Freq Resp +/-3dB (Hz): 55-20,000 Hz 37 - 22kHz*Graph
Freq Resp +3dB- 9dB (Hz): 45-22,000 Hz 27 - 22kHz
Impedance (Ohms): "6 Ohms 8 Ohms
SPL in Room1w/1m(dB): 93 dB
SPL Anechoic 1w/1m(dB): "87 dB 89 dB
X-Over 200 Hz & 2 kHz
Tweeter: 1" Single 1"
Woofer: Dual 6.5"
Mid-range 2 5.25" Single 5.25"
Driver Configuration "2-Way
Dimens. H W D (inches): 38" H x 6.3" W x 8" D 37.5" x 9.25" x 15"
Weight (lbs) each "36lbs 47.6 lbs

Comparison Aperion 4BP Axiom QS4
Enclosure
Max Amp Power: 25-200 Watts 175 Watts
Min Amp Power: 25-200 Watts 10 Watts
Freq Resp +/-3dB (Hz): 100-15,000 Hz 100 - 22 kHz
Freq Resp +3dB- 9dB (Hz): 80-18,000 Hz 80 - 22 kHz
Impedance (Ohms): 8 Ohms 8 Ohms
SPL in Room1w/1m(dB): 94 dB
SPL Anechoic 1w/1m(dB): 87 dB 90 dB
X-Over 4.3 kHz
Tweeter: Dual 1” Dual 1"
Woofer: Dual 4 "
Mid-range 4” Fiberglass
Driver Configuration 2-Way
Dimens. H W D (inches): 5" H x 12.5” W x 5.8" D 6.25" x 9.5" x 6"
Weight (lbs) each 8 lbs 9.4 lbs


Total Cost : $2,223.00 USD
2 M60 Towers + 1 VP150 Center + 4 QS4 Surrounds -- I wish this should be more sufficient for 14' X 18' X 9'

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So you think this will work fine?? -- I will go with QS4 than QS8 -- my room size is 14'X18'X9' Ceiling

Well, maybe not. It looks like there might not be enough vertical space for the up- and down-firing woofers.

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Well, maybe not. It looks like there might not be enough vertical space for the up- and down-firing woofers.

ohh yes..i forgot .thats why i went with Bookshelf early..

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I've been looking at an Axiom 7.1 set up, but their web site seems to be down more often than it is up, which worries me. Is this just on my end of the Internet, or have others had this problem, too?
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I've been looking at an Axiom 7.1 set up, but their web site seems to be down more often than it is up, which worries me. Is this just on my end of the Internet, or have others had this problem, too?

I lurk at their website (auction) daily without a single problem. I've been doing this for several weeks without a glitch. I doubt that information helps in anyway.

BTW, the VP150 center speaker I just got is a great addition to my mongrel 7.1 setup. I now have 3 Axiom, 3 Polk, and 2 NHT! I need Axiom towers!
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I've been looking at an Axiom 7.1 set up, but their web site seems to be down more often than it is up, which worries me. Is this just on my end of the Internet, or have others had this problem, too?

I check/read their forum daily w/o any problems.
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I've been looking at an Axiom 7.1 set up, but their web site seems to be down more often than it is up, which worries me. Is this just on my end of the Internet, or have others had this problem, too?

Bob, are you on Time Warner network? It possible that it's a peering problem with TWC.

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Bob, there have been noted issues with some of the other Axiom forum members having problems getting into Axiom's website, I for one have had no such problems and visit there daily. Unfortunately for you I suspect the problem is a little of both, from your side as well as from their's. Have you tried clearing your cache and cookies etc.?
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Yep, I'm on a Times Warner network (RoadRunner in Hawaii). Perhaps that's the issue. But I'm reassured to know others aren't having the problem.

Thanks!
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Enough with the Internet. On to a question about speakers, then! I'm working on a 7.1 system in a room that is roughly 24 x 12, with the main seating position half-way down the room. I like the idea of the same speakers for the front, so will go w/ M2 bookshelves for the left and right, and would like to use a M2 On-Wall for the center. W/ a subwoofer, Axiom thinks this will be fine, that the only difference in sound is in the low end, which will be handled by the subwoofer. Do you agree?

I'll use QS8s as my L and R surrounds, and initially thought to put QS4s in the back as the 7.1 rear surrounds. They will be about 10 feet behind the seating, so Axiom suggests going with two more M2s for the rear surrounds, rather than QS4s or QS8s. That makes sense to me. Do you agree?

All speakers will be mounted high on the wall or on the ceiling (except the center, which will be just above the TV). Not ideal, I realize, but essential in this case.

Thanks for any thoughts you may have!

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The Axiom site was mostly down for a week or so starting Dec 21, so it wasn't just you (or us). This was posted by Amie on the Axiom board: "Just a quick note to those of you were trying to log on today. At about 11:30 eastern Axiom was wiped out by an extremely targeted DDoS. At its peak, over 9,000 computers in a botnet were trying to access the site simultaneously, generating over thousands of hits per second."

Your proposed speaker system sounds fine. A point in favor of QSx speakers for back surrounds is that they would be more suitable as front height speakers, if at some point you were to convert from a 7.1 system with back surrounds to a 7.1 system with front heights.

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