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blackstar79's Avatar blackstar79 08:17 PM 11-21-2007
about the peeling veneer. I've only had my speakers for about a month and a half and they were factory outlet but i have had absolutely no issues with peeling. they look as good as the day i got them, no peeling at all. i don't know. maybe you've been very unlucky getting two sets that had bad veneer.

ohrbrcko's Avatar ohrbrcko 09:14 AM 11-22-2007
The cabinets for my Polk RTi 55s are composed of particle board. I have to be very careful not to drop them or I will end up with "saw dust". LOL In any event, I guess I can live with peeling veneer compared to what I have now.
It "would" appear that there are many excellent speaker manufacurers that routinely use vinyl. So the fact that Axiom does is not necessarily a deal killer. Meanwhile, I will keep Axiom on my short list and continue my research. Swan Diva's interest me but I don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling about who exactly manufactures them. At least I know that Axiom has a pretty good R&D facility as does B&W, Monitor Audio and etc. It is important to me that I buy speakers from a serious speaker company and not some assembly operation. But alas, I have to make a decision at somepoint. The search goes on.

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
Rijax's Avatar Rijax 11:43 AM 11-22-2007
ohrbrcko, Having been an Axiom owner, and a member of this and the Axiom forum for more than 4 years, I can assure you that a_ok2me's experience, frustrating though it may have been, is the exception that proves the rule. I feel comfortable saying, with reasonable certainty, that should you decide to go with Axiom, they will do their level best to solve any problem, vinyl or otherwise, that should arise.

Good luck and enjoy the hunt. I hope you end up with a system that pleases you as much as mine pleases me.
Sirquack's Avatar Sirquack 12:07 PM 11-22-2007
I've owned 2 7.1 Axiom setups over the last 5-6 years. The first set was from the factory outlet in Mansfield Beach. I owned them for 2-3 years and the vinyl wrap was 100% perfect from day one, to the day I traded them in for my current custom vinyl charcoal black, which is also perfect. I think your situation is not the norm, if you ask the hundreds of Axiom owners on the Axiom thread.

In regards to the Denon question, I used a Denon 2805 for many years to drive my 60's and later my current 80's. You will have no problems with any Denons and the 80's. Keep in mind they are very efficient and will only use 1 watt most of the time to achieve very loud SPL. Now if you have a very very large room like I do, 8,000+ cubic ft., you may want to add a 2 channel amp or monoblocks to the preouts of the Denon to drive the 80's and let the Denon drive the other speakers.

I currently use Odyssey monoblocks for my 80's, but most people will find the Denon by itself will satisfy for most listening situations.
blackstar79's Avatar blackstar79 04:36 PM 11-22-2007
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I can assure you that Blackstar79's experience, frustrating though it may have been, is the exception that proves the rule.


whaaa? read my post again
Rijax's Avatar Rijax 05:17 PM 11-22-2007
Humble, and sincere apologies, blackstar79.

It wasn't that I misread your post. I was late getting out the door to a Thanksgiving dinner, and in my haste to get my thoughts posted, I simply copied and pasted the wrong screen name. It was a_ok2me who had the experience that is the exception that proves the rule. I'm embarrassed for my error and have corrected my post.
arpz's Avatar arpz 12:22 AM 11-24-2007
hello everyone...i am planning to get the epic 80/500 and each channel is around 400 watts and most recievers i've looked at are in the range of 100 - 170 watts per channel. my question is how am i supposed to use these receivers to power the axioms to atleast 300 watts??
Wid's Avatar Wid 06:50 AM 11-24-2007
You don't need 400 watts to drive the M80s, although it would be fun, what that rating means is they can handle up to 400 watt rms. A good 100 watt reciever will indeed work well in most cases.
Sirquack's Avatar Sirquack 09:05 AM 11-24-2007
To add to Rick's comment, the 80's being very efficient (95dB's 1 watt 1 meter) can be driven by most AVR's with a good track record on 4ohm speakers. Denon's, for example, have always been popular with the 80's.
jaseman's Avatar jaseman 08:49 AM 11-26-2007
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Originally Posted by a_ok2me View Post

I have a 3806 on the m80, ep500, vp150, and 4 qs8 and it's fine.


Sirquack, attached are pics shortly after I purchased them. Honestly, pictures don't lie. They peel off in the edges. These were my second set of m80s and I had the same problem with the first set. Although I'm very satisfied with my purchase, I think prospective buyers should be aware that paper is paper, no matter how well their operation is. It's a trusted business to me and they seem like great people, but paper is still paper. The wood veneer option is nice, but pricey to the point where, for me, it's similar in price point as a B&W 704.

Also, the 703 has a bit more horizontal axis (sweet spot) than the m80 and 704. In a blind test, I and the sales person was shocked how well the m80s stood against the 704. The 704 is more in competition with the m80. Although the m60 has the same number of speakers as the 703, the 703 is, if I can remember right, about $1,500 more than the 704 and well above in sound than the 704 and m60.

I can't really see what is going on in the first picture, but in the second one it appears as if you have some type of cable (possibly a mouse cable???) sliding over the edge of the M80??? Could this cable be causing the problem? I also have had my Axiom M60's for a few months from the factory outlet with no problems on the vinyl peeling. And I agree that vinyl-is-vinyl-is-vinyl and could peel. I just wonder if it's something you're doing to cause this to happen?
a_ok2me's Avatar a_ok2me 10:23 PM 11-26-2007
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I can't really see what is going on in the first picture, but in the second one it appears as if you have some type of cable (possibly a mouse cable???) sliding over the edge of the M80??? Could this cable be causing the problem? I also have had my Axiom M60's for a few months from the factory outlet with no problems on the vinyl peeling. And I agree that vinyl-is-vinyl-is-vinyl and could peel. I just wonder if it's something you're doing to cause this to happen?

The cable is my wireless keyboard receiver. That's not the problem. I actually have peeling and/or a loss of color on the edges of all my fronts, surrounds, sub and center. You have to have an eye to see it. Maybe because I have black vinyl and any discoloration stands out. If I had wood color, it definitely would hide these discolorations. My cat even made a scratch swatting a bug. It's not easy to spot.

I wouldn't really want to scare people from a purchase since they sound great (neutral sounding). It's tough to beat for the price. But, you also get what you pay for in that you compromise some durability. Vinyl is vinyl and mdf is mdf and that combination is delicate to me. Both of which can't defy the laws of physics, even if the best company made it. But, you can upgrade to real wood veneer for added durability. It's pricey, but think it comes comparable to competing brands.

I just don't want to be a die hard salesperson because people are about to dig deep into their wallets and depend on the full story from people who do and don't have these problems. I don't think it would scare people if they knew the positives outweighed the negatives. They can avoid the negative altogether by getting real wood veneer.
arpz's Avatar arpz 09:37 PM 11-28-2007
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Originally Posted by Wid View Post

You don't need 400 watts to drive the M80s, although it would be fun, what that rating means is they can handle up to 400 watt rms. A good 100 watt reciever will indeed work well in most cases.

yeh, thats what i was thinking, it can handle 400 watts but giving it a good hundred feels like its a waste of 300 watts u know...so i might need an amp to bring it closer to 400 i guess. thanx for the answer.


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To add to Rick's comment, the 80's being very efficient (95dB's 1 watt 1 meter) can be driven by most AVR's with a good track record on 4ohm speakers. Denon's, for example, have always been popular with the 80's.

yea, im planning to drive them with a denon 3808, so i'll see how everything works out. thanx for answering
taxman48's Avatar taxman48 04:57 AM 11-29-2007
getting the QS 8's to replace my Paradigm ADP 170's. Would I hear a difference since the 8's have the woofers on top instead of 2 speakers on each side like the Paradigm? thanks in advance
happyhead's Avatar happyhead 01:19 AM 12-04-2007
I have VP150, M60, QS8, and a Hsu VTF-3 MK3 w/ turbo. Its all hook up to my Onkyo 805 and sounds fantastic. Very great value. I don't regret it. Also I have a pair of M3ti in my room running on a Marantz sr7001 and they sounds fantastic. So glad to see a owner thread for Axiom speakers .
Stymie_'s Avatar Stymie_ 10:46 AM 12-04-2007
Another satisfied Axiom owner chiming in.

I have the Epic 80.500 system with a HK 635 paired with five Outlaw M2200s. I've had this for just over two years now and the only issue that I've had is that the amp on the EP500 had to be sent back to Axiom for repair/replacement. This was about a year ago with no issues since. The vinyl on mine looks as good today as the day I got them.

I have pushed the 80s pretty hard on occasion and the M2200s never missed a beat. No clipping, overheating, shutting down, etc.

I also have their outdoor speakers which are just the outdoor version of the M3s. They sound great as well.

Stymie
metalsaber's Avatar metalsaber 11:58 AM 12-04-2007
I have the M50s, VP100, QS8v2. I am currently replacing the VP100 with the VP150. I also am replacing my surround backs speakers, *cough* Bose *cough* with the M22s.

I would have gone with 2 more QS8s, but unfortunately I would have to buy stands and that would be a bit more than I'm willing to spend at this moment. I ordered them from the factory outlet to save some money as well.
mhenaire's Avatar mhenaire 09:57 AM 12-05-2007
How is the SR705 receiver with the axioms? (M22v2, QS4v2, VP100v2) ?

I like the 3 HDMI-in of the Onkyo, but it seems like people prefer Denon with that set. Which models should I consider?
Monstermile's Avatar Monstermile 08:16 PM 12-05-2007
Been using Axiom speakers for about 4 years now. Currently have:

M22's: front l/r
VP100: center
QS4's: surround

Using an HSU VTF-2 sub and an Onkyo TX-SR601 powers them. I am very happy with the sound but I am ready for a change. I'm gonna be upgrading to the M60's for front l/r and VP150 for center. May add another QS4 for center surround as well.
RJonesUSC's Avatar RJonesUSC 08:35 PM 12-05-2007
Just got my m60's, vp100 and ep350 this week to go along with my 3808 and 58PZ700U. Can hardly wait till tihs weekend to set them up.
902599's Avatar 902599 10:39 PM 12-11-2007
Another member here with the 80's-150-qs-8s in a 5.1 system. I'm using the outlaw 990/7500 setup along with the lfm-1+. The qs-8s are really gems for surrounds, they have amazed me since day one. The 80s sound better as they get played louder. The 150 center matches with the 80s seamlessly in the ht. Waiting for the new 990 pre-pro to come out in 08. I cannot give a opinion on the axiom subs but the people who have them seemed to be very happy with them. As for my setup, I dont know which end of the system is tougher. I have had noooo problems from either of these internet companys. Their customer service is excellent and they have great web sites.
RJonesUSC's Avatar RJonesUSC 01:15 AM 12-12-2007
Just got my 60's, 100 and 350 in few days ago. Have yet to set them up..waiting for the 58pz700u to arrive.
gspin2k1's Avatar gspin2k1 09:33 AM 12-12-2007
So right now i'm trying to build a 5.1 system for my apartment, I'm trying to get the best sound possible, but obviously I am lacking some space...and of course money (my budget is around $1500). I'm running an Onkyo 605, and I actually do have the space in the front for a large center, and floor standing speakers, but for the surround speakers, I think I may have to stick with sattelites, or at largest book shelf speakers. Here are two options i'm looking at for Axiom:

1) Millennia M50 Towers - L/R
M2 Bookshelf Speaker -SL/SR
VP100 Center
EP125 Powered Subwoofer
- This is just a random mix-match i did, i have no idea if they would pair well at all.

2) Epic Grand Master - 175 - This one is a little over my budget, not sure if it would be sound much better to warrant the extra $200+ for it.
- Milennia M22 Bookshelves L/R
- VP100 Center
- QS8 Surrounds - SL/SR
- EP175 Powered Subwoofer
jaseman's Avatar jaseman 09:45 AM 12-12-2007
I would buy the M60's and get the QS4's. You save on the surrounds and get better fronts. The QS4's sound just as good as the QS8's but do not play as loud. In a surround setting volume is not that important. In an apartment they will be just fine! The M60's have a better midrange which is important in movies and music. The sub will be fine also.
gspin2k1's Avatar gspin2k1 10:02 AM 12-12-2007
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I would buy the M60's and get the QS4's. You save on the surrounds and get better fronts. The QS4's sound just as good as the QS8's but do not play as loud. In a surround setting volume is not that important. In an apartment they will be just fine! The M60's have a better midrange which is important in movies and music. The sub will be fine also.

I'm more of a movies and video games person...still recommend the M60s?
~G

Edit: Nevermind I looked at the M60s..they look nice but at $999/pair just quite a bit out of my price range...considering i'm trying to keep my 5.1 system around $1500..a little over won't hurt, but you know if I can find something good for even a little less that'd be better (it'd save me some money for stands if I bought book shelf speakers).
~G
jaseman's Avatar jaseman 11:19 AM 12-12-2007
Did you go to the factory outlet????
When you buy an entire 5.1 system, which you can piece together, from the factory outlet you will save a total of 15% plus free shipping. http://www.axiomaudio.com/factoryoutlet.html
Let me know if that helps.
gspin2k1's Avatar gspin2k1 12:19 PM 12-12-2007
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Originally Posted by jaseman View Post

Did you go to the factory outlet????
When you buy an entire 5.1 system, which you can piece together, from the factory outlet you will save a total of 15% plus free shipping. http://www.axiomaudio.com/factoryoutlet.html
Let me know if that helps.

Wow nice find thanks. Definitely is a lot cheaper than was I was originally looking at. I think $1000-1500 is really what I plan to spend, and maybe up to $1700 at absolute most.

So this is what i'm thinking it runs $1730 from factory outlet..it'd take me 3 weeks to get everything (approx.) hopefully it's not THAT cosmetically bad.

Sub: EP175
Center - VP100
Surrounds: QS4s
L/R - M50 Towers

I can justify buying floor standing speakers over book shelves cus I won't need to buy speaker stands (which approx. the same price difference). Although how much different are the M50 towers vs the M60s? enough to really warrant the approx. extra $100 per speaker?

~G
jaseman's Avatar jaseman 12:28 PM 12-12-2007
I purchased all my speakers from the factory outlet. I found only one slight blemish on the sub. A little wood glue and the 1/2" x 1/8" damage was fixed. Can only see it if you really look hard.

I would also go to http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthreads.php and get some more opinions. Personally I think if you can swing it that the M60's will do you much better.
blackstar79's Avatar blackstar79 04:38 PM 12-12-2007
i got myself 2x m60's 2xQS4's and 1x vp100 and it came to 1650 including the tax all were from factory outlet and i couldn't find anything wrong with them...it's a bit over your budget but if you can squeeze in that extra $100 i would highly recommend it. i was originally going to go with the m50's but figured i might as well squeeze in that extra bit and get the m60's instead. i'm glad i did... a subwoofer you can always go back for later as the m60's aren't too shabby on the sub levels.
Terry55's Avatar Terry55 11:59 AM 12-13-2007
Hi gsp from what i have read over at the axiom forums i think most owners would suggest you skip the m50 and get the m60s or 80s.

To stay on budget I would get rid of the sub and even the center if need be.

You could always add those later and you probally wouldn't be dissapointed.

I ordered the m22s myself with the budget being a little less then yours and i got m2s which i plan on using as surrounds.

I am still away on work so I havn't yet had a chance to use them but im home tomorrow !! woohoo !!

At the FO you could get m60s, q4s, and the vp 150 for $1,531.40 CAD
Anyway they will be up and running by saturday and I'll post my thoughts.
khanmotorsport's Avatar khanmotorsport 04:41 PM 12-13-2007
just got an EP500 today. still setting it up, but so far so good
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