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post #181 of 1424 Old 02-22-2008, 08:29 PM
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Welcome Ricky. If you get a chance post back to let us know what you think of them especially how the blend with your NHTs.

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Good stuff! Here is my Axiom equipped home theater. The whole project was sparked by a purchase of M22s (got it cheap via e-bay). The M22's have been performing quite well, (HSU VTF3.3 for the low end) so I don't think I'll be upgrading any time soon. Next purchase will be QS8s to replace the Bose satellites being used as surrounds


very cool. my HT just got rolling today. i have m22s, the 150, and qs8s with and eD a2-300 sub. i am strictly moives and after 5 hours with limited tweaking i can not believe how this system rocks. a more complete high end / axiom speaker noob post will be coming.

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hey all, I need HELP!!!! I love NHT's but not the price. I was thinking iw4's but I would love to know what the w22's sound like.

If I do the axioms, the system would be w22.w150 ep500 qs8.

I would like to hear some stuff about the subs. right now I have M&K subs, one thx350 and it hit hard and nice, with out being boomy.

Some one out there fill me in!!!!!!


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hey all, I need HELP!!!! I love NHT's but not the price. I was thinking iw4's but I would love to know what the w22's sound like.
If I do the axioms, the system would be w22.w150 ep500 qs8.
I would like to hear some stuff about the subs. right now I have M&K subs, one thx350 and it hit hard and nice, with out being boomy.
Some one out there fill me in!!!!!!
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I have I have the same setup as your proposed one except that I have M80's instead of 22's. I LOVE the QS8's, they are very very nice surround speakers. 150 is nice as well (as far as centers go). The EP500 is a *very* nice sub. The scene in Transformers where Ironhide somersaults over the (non) screaming woman is positively scary! The thunderstorm scene in Flight of the Phoenix is also scary! It is a very very very very nice sub. I could not be happier with my setup. I've used both Marantz 8001, 8002 and Denon 3808 with this setup.

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Hey guys,

Bit the bullet and now own a pair of m60s, qs8s and a vp150. Really really happy with them. The sound is incredible and they (just the normal vinyl) look really good.

I wonder if anyones done a DIY stand for the qs8s? The official ones are a little pricey
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Hey guys,

Bit the bullet and now own a pair of m60s, qs8s and a vp150. Really really happy with them. The sound is incredible and they (just the normal vinyl) look really good.

I wonder if anyones done a DIY stand for the qs8s? The official ones are a little pricey


I'm sure you could. Just be careful since it has bottom firing speakers. You need to make sure you leave it open (like in the Axiom FMS stands)

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[I just quickly scanned this entire thread, so please excuse me if this question has been covered].

I have been using Pinnacle PN8+s for my L/R mains and one of them recently died.

After considerable research, I'm very close to ordering three (3) M22s and have a few questions:

1: I had been hoping to get some THX certified speakers but I just can't justify spending $2,000 ++ on three speakers. Will the M22s play cleanly at a decent (100 db+) level in a fairly 'live' room?

(I just bought two Mackie FR2500 pro amps, so power requirement isn't an issue!).

2: Will they be ok hanging from the ceiling? I really can't use stands because we have limited floor space and three large dogs.

3: If I do hang them, I'm thinking that the center should be inverted to get the tweeter as close to the center of the TV screen as possible. Does that sound reasonable?

4: If the center is hung upside down, should the L+R be also? That might minimize any negative effects of the highs bouncing off the ceiling (which in my old log cabin is floor joists and the underside of the upstairs floor boards).

5: If they are all suspended from the ceiling (especially if 2 or all three are 'right side up') I may not be able to get the tweeters a ear level without the speaker cabinets getting in our way and being susceptible to damage. Is it generally considered ok to angle the cabinet so that the tweeter is directed down (or up for floor standing cabinets) or is that a big no-no?

I know the M22s won't go much below 60 Hz. I'm using an old subwoofer and plan to get a new one -- probably an SVS 20-39CS Plus (since I have an extra channel of amplification).

The surrounds are small Maggies.

Thanks in advance for any help or ideas you might have.
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Anyone using w22/w150/qs8 with lcd, Please post your feedbacks since I am deciding between these vs athena ws60 vs NHL L5 to go with lcd.

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I am thinking of changing my home theater from 5.1 to 7.1. I am still trying to figure out the 7.1 codecs to see if it would be beneficial. The other item that I am struggling with is the selection of the rear surrounds. I have never heard the Axiom but I am reading good thing about them. My current setup is Paradigm Studio 40 for front, Studio 20 for surround, a cc for the front driven by a Pioneer Elite VSX-84. I was thinking of using a pair of M3v2 as the rear.

Is there a big difference in timbre between Axiom and Paradigm Studios?
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Anyone using w22/w150/qs8 with lcd, Please post your feedbacks since I am deciding between these vs athena ws60 vs NHL L5 to go with lcd.

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the "W" series are relatively new, i think. i have not seen much user feedback on them.

the QS8 is an amazing surrond speaker though. i am really enjoying them in my setup (2 m22s, vp150, 2 qs8s). later.
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My current setup is Paradigm Studio 40 for front, Studio 20 for surround, a cc for the front driven by a Pioneer Elite VSX-84. I was thinking of using a pair of M3v2 as the rear.

Is there a big difference in timbre between Axiom and Paradigm Studios?

Read my post from 2/17. I sent back an Epic 60-500. They are a good value, but for the money I expected to be blown away. What I figured out is that I have expensive taste in speakers. I am currently home auditioning a set of Studio 100 v4s. The sound is a world apart from the Axiom M60s (as it should be for 2.5x the cost). The biggest difference is level of detail and ability to fill the room.

Since you are asking about the rears, may not be a big difference, but I would stay with the Studios for consistency. You didn't mention your room configuration, but I found that the Axiom dipoles did a good job. I will likely keep the 100s, add a CC-690 and the ADP 590s with a JL f113. I am going to more than double my Axiom budget, but I don't plan on doing this again for a long time. Hope that helps.
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I'm thinking about purchasing an Epic 80*500 7.1 system, I was wondering if anyone had any pictures of how they mounted their QS8's to the wall?
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The Q's come with a T-bracket to mount it flush on the wall. Details should be on the Axiom product pages.

Also, the new 350v3 is outstanding. I just added twin 350v3's to my ep600 to help even out response in my almost 8,000 cu ft room.

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I spoke with 'Brent' at Axiom a little while ago and he answered a lot of my questions from post #187 above.

[Keep in mind that I'm just passing on what I was told]:

1) According to Brent, the M22s will easily put out 106 db (assuming enough amp power). He said they are still very clear sounding at that level. He said that they are up to THX specs but Axiom (like other mfrs) didn't want to pay the licensing fees because it would increase the cost of their speakers.

2) Ceiling mount is fine.

3) Inverting them is a good idea -- particularly the center speaker, to get the tweeter close to the center of the screen.

4) The L/R should probably also be inverted for a good sound stage, but he said that the main thing was to get the tweeters all on the same plane. So, although it's not ideal, L+R _could_ be mounted 'right side up' with the center speaker inverted if all three tweeters were at the same level.

5) Brent said that ideally the tweeters should be at ear level but angling the speaker cabinet is ok, if necessary. The dispersion angle is 105 degrees, so it may not matter at a listening distance of 10 or 12 feet. He said to try it both ways and see.

He also said essentially, "the more amplifier power, the better", and that the 200 watt max spec is just a 'guideline'. He claimed that Axiom tests their speakers with 800 to 1,000 watt amps cranking heavy metal and they take it. Hard to believe, but I'm just repeating what he said.

I will most likely be suspending all of these speakers from the ceiling. Brent said they have a 1/4-20 threaded insert in the back panel that is designed to allow their wall bracket to be attached without damaging the cabinet. Unfortunately,the wall bracket won't work for a ceiling mount, and (according to Brent) the Axiom _ceiling_ mount won't work either -- apparently it isn't strong enough.

So, question: How to suspend the M22s from the ceiling? It's all wood -- no concerns about finding a stud, etc. I'd like to use the 1/4-20 insert if possible.

Any ideas?
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So, question: How to suspend the M22s from the ceiling? It's all wood -- no concerns about finding a stud, etc. I'd like to use the 1/4-20 insert if possible.

Any ideas?

Molly bolts! Or you can buy mounting bars that go attaches to studs horizontally so you can screw it in nice and tight. Had to use it to hang a very heavy lamp in the kitchen.

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Thanks for the reply hansangb.

I've always thought of molly bolts as something you use in drywall. As I said, I have an old log cabin. The ceiling is the 2nd floor joists and floor boards.

Ideally, I'd like to use an adjustable bracket that will attach to the 1/4-20 threaded insert.
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Getting rather frustrated this evening. I am trying to (finally) get my axioms set into position tonight and I am having a hard time. Here are my questions:

1.) When I bought my VP150 I also ordered the full metal wall mount bracket for it. Now that I took the VP150 out of the box this thing is heavy! Axiom quotes it at 21+ lbs. The bracket is supposed to hold up to 40 pounds. I guess I just want someone to tell me that they have it set up this way and it feels secure.

2.) I am planning on 7.1 surround so I have 4 QS8's for the rears. Due to restrictions in ceiling height and the riser I am concerned that people are going to clock their head on the QS8's when they are coming off the riser. I have the axiom ceiling mount brackets but I just think they are going to hang down to far. What I am looking for is a way to flush mount them to the ceiling (they will be away from side walls). Is there a way to do this with the T-shaped bracket that comes with them? Wondering how I would prevent the speaker from sliding off the bracket.

ANY ideas would be appreciated. I searched over at the axiom forums and could not come up with any specific directions for flush mounting QS8's.

Can't wait to get these puppies fired up and listen to some tunes. Thanks.

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^^^^ i can help with number ONE. it will be FINE.

i mounted the same speaker with the Axiom bracket to my front wall. i too was worried about the size and wieght of the speaker. especially since i could not and did not secure the bracket to any studs. i secured it to the wall with two of those EZ Drywall Anchors that are rated to hold 50 lbs each. it has been up for a week, so far so good. seriously, it seems very secure and steady.

for number two, i have only seen the QS8s mounted with the supplied "T" wall flush mounts or ceiling brackets. i would think you could find a shorter ceiling bracket somewhere. modify the one you have? i would post this question over on the Axiom board as they are a very creative bunch.

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Thanks for the reply. I posted my question number 2 over at the axiom forums so we will see what they say.

The more I think about it I may end up buying the shorter stand that they make for the VP150 instead of using the metal bracket. You have me convinved that the metal bracket will be strong enough to hold the VP150 but I am concerned that bracket does not put the speaker far enough away from the wall. It is fine with my current carada screen but I am deeply considering adding a carada masquerade system later this year. I even prewired for it in the wall. The masquerade sticks out 3.75 inches from the wall. The current wall mount FMB from axiom sticks the speaker out less than 2.5 inches. Just don't want to have any holes in the wall that need repaired down the road when I can avoid them now.

Hey, anyone want to buy an open boxed (but never used) Axiom full metal wall mount? If so let me know. Perhaps I should post it over in the classifieds.

Anyone have any ideas on my question number two above?

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The more I think about it I may end up buying the shorter stand that they make for the VP150 instead of using the metal bracket

Hey, anyone want to buy an open boxed (but never used) Axiom full metal wall mount? If so let me know. Perhaps I should post it over in the classifieds.

Have you contacted Axiom to see if they will let you exchange the bracket toward the stand?

As for question #2, you could use the T-bracket as you said and just screw something in front of it to hold it on. Try mounting them so that none of the tweeters are pointed at a seat if possible. The QS8s work best when not directly radiating (especially the tweeters) at an particular listening position.

If I had to chose I would prefer to use the ceiling bracket and try to arrange the furniture or something so people wouldn't easily be able to hit there heads. The regular ceiling brackets will better allow you to aim your speakers to get the best effect over the widest area.

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Thanks for the reply hansangb.

I've always thought of molly bolts as something you use in drywall. As I said, I have an old log cabin. The ceiling is the 2nd floor joists and floor boards.

Ideally, I'd like to use an adjustable bracket that will attach to the 1/4-20 threaded insert.

Oops. Skipped right over the log cabin part! Can't you use a brace in between your joists? When I hung up my lamp, I bought a one at home depot (it's like "the club" it expands to fit between two studs.

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Oops. Skipped right over the log cabin part! Can't you use a brace in between your joists? When I hung up my lamp, I bought a one at home depot (it's like "the club" it expands to fit between two studs.

Sure, I could do that.

Another option that someone suggested is to use black pipe. Regular steel pipe with flanges at the ends to attach it to the ceiling and the speakers.

Of course, I would have to figure out a way to do it without damaging the Axiom M22 cabinets.

The speakers I plan to compare to the Axioms are ********** Rocket RS250MkIIs. AV123 sells a 1" thick MDF plate that attaches to the base of the speakers using the 4 threaded inserts in the speaker base. You can do whatever you like with the wood plate since it is a separate piece and only costs $10/each.

With the M22s it may be more difficult.
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.....snip....Hey, anyone want to buy an open boxed (but never used) Axiom full metal wall mount? If so let me know. Perhaps I should post it over in the classifieds.

Anyone have any ideas on my question number two above?

the stand is $100 bucks, at least the Axiom stand that can be custom made for your length. i would contact them and set up a return of the bracket and purchase of the stand. if it is within 30 days of purchase you should have no issues.

i wil snap some pictures of my speakers now that i have them all set up to give you an idea on the center being bracket mounted.

later.
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the stand is $100 bucks, at least the Axiom stand that can be custom made for your length. i would contact them and set up a return of the bracket and purchase of the stand. if it is within 30 days of purchase you should have no issues.

i wil snap some pictures of my speakers now that i have them all set up to give you an idea on the center being bracket mounted.

later.

Unfortunently I bought the brackets well over a month ago. I now ordered a custom sized 15 " stand for the VP150. This should put the top of the speaker near the bottom of the current screen frame. It will overlap the masquerade frame a bit once that goes in.

Still not sure what to do with the surrounds. I am going to hash that out this weekend. I'd like to mount them angled in via the brackets but I am going to have to really check on traffic patterns.

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Hello fellow Axiom owners. I just ordered m Axioms and am waiting for them to arrive. In the mean time, I am searching for a TV stand/cabinet for a 72" DLP that has a center shelf that will fit the VP150. Most of what seems to work are glass and metal stands, and I would prefer wood.

Thanks for any suggestions.

I got the Epic 80 500 5.1 in the Boston Cherry.
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Hello fellow Axiom owners. I just ordered m Axioms and am waiting for them to arrive. In the mean time, I am searching for a TV stand/cabinet for a 72" DLP that has a center shelf that will fit the VP150. Most of what seems to work are glass and metal stands, and I would prefer wood.

Thanks for any suggestions.

I got the Epic 80 500 5.1 in the Boston Cherry.

Dynamichomedecor & Racks and Stands has one: Furnitech-FT72CC
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Dynamichomedecor & Racks and Stands has one: Furnitech-FT72CC

Thanks Zzyzx242. Unfortunately it failed the WAF test, too modern. However, I had checked out a diferent Furnitech, FT72TR a while back, and it didn't seem to fit the Axiom. I took another look, and it look slike the center opening might be 28" without the drawer installed. I called Eric Furnitech, and he said he'd have a guy look into it on Monday for me to be sure. So thanks for sending me back to the site.

I checked out:
Bello WAVS-330, btu it has a center post now, probably because the old ones were bowing
BDI Avion - failed the WAF text
BDI Novia, but even without the drawer, it sounds like the center opening will be .5" too small (my personal favorite)
Plateau Corp SRV-75 - big enough, I would leave the doors off, but that rail would likely still be there. Not sure if I will like it.

I guess it will be either Furnitech, or settle for the metal/glass combo. Or maybe have someone cutom make one I guess.
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Hello fellow Axiom owners. I just ordered m Axioms and am waiting for them to arrive. In the mean time, I am searching for a TV stand/cabinet for a 72" DLP that has a center shelf that will fit the VP150. Most of what seems to work are glass and metal stands, and I would prefer wood.

Thanks for any suggestions.

I got the Epic 80 500 5.1 in the Boston Cherry.


Can't help with the furniture (mine is mounted above the TV), but you're going to like the sound. I have the exact same setup (with denon 3808)

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Can't help with the furniture (mine is mounted above the TV), but you're going to like the sound. I have the exact same setup (with denon 3808)

Excellent. I just got the 3808 as well. How do you find the stage with the center mounted above?
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Does anyone have the M2s that are wall mounted? After doing some research, THX recommends direct firing speakers for rear surrounds. I was going to put my QS4s in back and move up to QS8s for side surrounds. After reading through the THX site, they recommned otherwise.

Thanks for any help
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