Originally Posted by Alimentall
Line arrays have advantages with respect to low inherent bass distortion but need a big room. I wouldn't use a line array in anything less than about a 25'x30' room, personally. The problem is that it's really not a real line source. The drivers still create a bunch of acoustic interference patterns that a point source won't, so they all have a somewhat hollow, phasey and/or unnatural sound to my ears. I don't even like D'Appolito speakers and those have only two midranges stacked. Now, a bass line array is a good thing, if you can afford that kind of thing! Of course, with every concept, there are better and worse.
Waaa? 25'x30'? I know that they need a large room to be most effective, but that's pretty darn big.
Anyone else have anything to add concerning line arrays? Danny Richie?
Originally Posted by floridapoolboy
How many people have a 25'X30'room? Surely line source speakers can sound good in smaller rooms than that!
That's what I was thinking. I hope someone else weighs in on this subject.
Originally Posted by kokishin
Mudslide, Pardon me for jumping in. I agree with you not because it has happened to me (I don't post much so I guess I am not much of a target), but I see it happen again and again and again. My way of usually handling these things (whether it is a forum or work email) is to completely ignore and never reply to those that offend me. If for some compelling reason I have to reply, I wait at least 24 hours before I respsond. I find it interesting how much better my thinking is after waiting a day or two to respond. For this forum, save your energy and do not respond to the negative posters at all. Please continue to participate and just ignore and NOT respond to those that irritate you.
Well said. Thank you.
Update # 2Paradigm Studio 100 V.3's
Next on my audition list were the Paradigm Studio 100's. I specifically went to this shop because I knew they specialized in Paradigm. I had listened to the studio 60's and 20's before, but I hadn't heard the 100's or the new v4's of the latter speakers. I sat down in a room that had two acoustic panels behind the 5 or 6 pairs of speakers, two at the reflection points on the walls to my left and right and two behind the listening area. I sat about 8-9 feet from the speakers which were positioned at least 3 feet from the back walls and many, many feet from the side walls. The gear used was a Rotel RSP-1069 preamp, RB-1070 and RB-1092 amplifiers and the RC-1055 CD player. We started using the RB-1070 amp which put out 100 wpc, after which we switched to the 500 wpc unit. I will note that upon switching to the RB10-92, the midrange and treble opened up a bit as if some strain was lifted from them.
The Paradigm Studio 100 is a very well balanced speaker. The treble is smooth and well extended, the midrange is sweet and defined and the bass is plentiful and hefty. I could have sworn that there was a small subwoofer hidden within the room, but this was not so. The three 6' woofers do an excellent job in the bass slam deparment; very impressive. However, every so often the bass was a tad bit overpowering, making me have a strain a little to hear some of the subtle details in the audition track. Nonetheless, I really enjoyed the powerful bass, though I wished it was a little quicker and tighter.
Monitor Audio GS60
Let me tell you, I was shocked into speechlessness when I heard the speakers. I sat there hoping my ears would just adjust, but they didn't. Everything sounded hollow, there was a large lack of bass and the speakers distorted very quickly. In lieu of this, I felt the speakers were wired out of phase. So I switched over to the RS8's next to the GS60's and they sounded terrible as well.
I admit I didn't write down the model numbers of the Mcintosh gear, but from the pictures those look like exactly what I used. Also, all of the components were running through a switcher so I could easily turn on any speakers, subwoofers and center channels that I wanted to. The room was not treated and the speakers (about 7 pairs) were all sitting directly next to each other. They were about 2 feet from the back walls.
To ensure I wasn't going insane, I exited that listening room and headed over to the Southern wall which had mock rooms set up, just like as if you were sitting in your own living room. The setup(s) included a couch and/or a row of chairs, a coffee table and an A/V stand with a flat panel TV, AV receiver or pre-amp and amp, a Denon universal player and a pair of Monitor Audio RS6's. There was no wall behind me, just a large open showroom floor.
Now I had just listened to a pair of RS6's a week earlier in what I feel was a much nicer listening environment, so my initial impressions still rang fresh in my mind. Listening in this environment yielded similar results to the ones in the sound room I had just exited. The speakers lacked bass and clarity, especially at higher volumes. Guitars sounded utterly unnatural, cymbals sounded like they were being re-created through a synthesizer rather than being played on a drum kit, the vocals of the singer overpowered everything and the keyboard sounded like a $20 Walmart special. Mind you, I just auditioned a pair of Paradigm Studio 100's at a different location not two hours earlier with the exact same material, and my demo CD sounded incredible through those Paradigms. I am at a loss for words concerning the "larger," yet supposed "high end" shop. The MA Gold's cost almost twice what the Studio 100's do. I...just don't know what to say other than I'm pretty sure something was seriously wrong at that AV shop. Bummer...I really wanted to get a good audition of the MA Gold's.
I have to keep this short and wrap things up since my wife says I spend too much time on here so here is my wrap-up:
In summary, I was very disappointed with the setup at the larger A/V shop. I feel I didn't get a fair audition of the Monitor Audio GS60's, which stinks because I was surprised to see them when I walked in, thus getting very excited. Well, that excitment quickly turned to disappointed...I couldn't even listen for more than 5 minutes, it was that bad. On the other hand, I thoroughly enjoyed my time with the Paradigm Studio 100's. Other than the owner trying to shoo us out of the shop because it was near closing time, I had a fantastic experience at the A/V shop in Brown Deer. The Studio 100's are a bargain for the money IMO; they even sounded great when I put my Rock mix in and cranked the volume (no distortion or compression; very cool).
More to come as my journey continues. If anyone local or near my area has a pair of MA Gold 60's, I would love to give them another listen. I have no faith in the shop I listened to them in and am sincerely disappointed. I want to give the MA's a second chance.
If I had to chose a pair of speakers out of the four auditioned thus far, it would be the Paradigm Studio 100's.