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I just installed 3 in wall silver 6 lcr's for my front stage and use an emotiva xpa 3 to drive them. Plenty of oomph from the amp and I was having fun going louder with these than I could with my old speakers. My old ones would start to distort but these silvers powered on through and sounded better as they got louder. Watched Kill Bill vol 1 and was extremely happy with the fact that the silvers are much smoother in the mid to high freq's, not harsh to my ears while listening at extremely loud levels.
I have a similar setup to yours - I too have silver 6's for my fronts - powered by an XPA-5 which is also powering my 2 silver 4 surrounds and so far I have been really happy with the setup. I also have silver 4's for my rear speakers - those are powered by an XPA-200. Glad to hear you are enjoying your new setup! Have fun with it!


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I have a similar setup to yours - I too have silver 6's for my fronts - powered by an XPA-5 which is also powering my 2 silver 4 surrounds and so far I have been really happy with the setup. I also have silver 4's for my rear speakers - those are powered by an XPA-200. Glad to hear you are enjoying your new setup! Have fun with it!


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Thanks!

I'm sure I will look at either the bronze or silver surrounds at some point. Not sure if I'd be able to tell a difference between them as surrounds? And since my installation the other day with the silver 6's was in my already finished theater, I have no desire to outfit the space again with plastic sheeting like a Dexter murder scene.

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Thanks!

I'm sure I will look at either the bronze or silver surrounds at some point. Not sure if I'd be able to tell a difference between them as surrounds? And since my installation the other day with the silver 6's was in my already finished theater, I have no desire to outfit the space again with plastic sheeting like a Dexter murder scene.
I would see if Triad comes out with Atmos ready surrounds in the Silver line to go with your Silver fronts. If you don't want to re-do everything again, I would buy speakers for the future formats.

Dipoles do not work well with Atmos or any other object based format.

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I'm not sure about atmos, meaning I think it will stick but I have no plans to implement it anytime soon. I am curious to see what Triad does do in regards to atmos, I'm sure they will come up with something but what type of premium will it command?

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I'm not sure about atmos, meaning I think it will stick but I have no plans to implement it anytime soon. I am curious to see what Triad does do in regards to atmos, I'm sure they will come up with something but what type of premium will it command?
I don't know about a premium over their normal prices, they just have to design their in-wall, on-wall, and in-ceiling/on-ceiling surround speakers to meet Dolby's recommended dispersion and frequency response specs for Atmos. Cinema speaker companies have been doing that for a while now.

The only premium price might be the new in room speakers with built-in Atmos-enabled top firing speakers.

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Thanks!

I'm sure I will look at either the bronze or silver surrounds at some point. Not sure if I'd be able to tell a difference between them as surrounds? And since my installation the other day with the silver 6's was in my already finished theater, I have no desire to outfit the space again with plastic sheeting like a Dexter murder scene.
Yeah I know exactly what you mean there - I just went through that myself to put in the triads - the builder had installed some awful inwalls in some less than perfect locations - so we had to rip all of that out and redo it. What a mess! Don't want to relive that any time soon.

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Hello,

I have 2 x Bronze/6 in-wall subwoofers currently running each off a RackAmp 350. I'm curious what value/benefits there may be, if any, or detriments to running the subs off an Emotiva XPA-2 instead? I'm already using XPA amps for my main 7 channels.

https://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/xpa-2

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Hello,

I have 2 x Bronze/6 in-wall subwoofers currently running each off a RackAmp 350. I'm curious what value/benefits there may be, if any, or detriments to running the subs off an Emotiva XPA-2 instead? I'm already using XPA amps for my main 7 channels.

https://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/xpa-2

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Why not stick with the amp they were designed to make use of, the one you are using, instead of a frankenstein approach?
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I remember a while back some of you used some sort of screw with a rubber grommet to hold your triad in wall speakers into a frame. Anyone recall what those are called?

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Hi all,

Not sure if this is normal but I've noticed a very faint humming coming from my new silver 6 in wall's with the system on but nothing playing. Is this common or is something off in my system? My old speakers did not have this hum so it makes me wonder why the Triads are doing this? I know the speakers are connected properly. Any help would be appreciated.

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Not common, unless your old speakers were far less efficient (so you didn't hear it).
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Not common, unless your old speakers were far less efficient (so you didn't hear it).
Efficiency is rated about the same but my old speakers were 8 ohm and these are 4 ohm, would that be it?

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I remember a while back some of you used some sort of screw with a rubber grommet to hold your triad in wall speakers into a frame. Anyone recall what those are called?
Wasn't that the guy who bought speakers on ebay or something, and made in wall boxes for them?
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I remember a while back some of you used some sort of screw with a rubber grommet to hold your triad in wall speakers into a frame. Anyone recall what those are called?

I remember someone who used RSIC DC04 clips to mount gold monitors to a baffle wall. Can't remember the user name but it was a professionally designed/built theater - I think Erskine group finished it up.
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I remember someone who used RSIC DC04 clips to mount gold monitors to a baffle wall. Can't remember the user name but it was a professionally designed/built theater - I think Erskine group finished it up.
That's Joelc's thread........Toronto build I believe
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Efficiency is rated about the same but my old speakers were 8 ohm and these are 4 ohm, would that be it?
Probably not.
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Here's an interview in Twice Magazine with Craig Eggers, director of Dolby’s home-theater initiative, discussing the new Dolby Atmos rollout. Featured in the article is a picture of a Triad prototype Dolby enhanced speaker, sold to Dolby as part of its Atmos development program. Dolby Atmos is an exciting new technology that will be one of the top new products at CEDIA next month. It is being embraced by all the major electronics manufacturers and it will give you the opportunity to update your theater, by adding speakers to significantly enhance the experience. You will see our new Dolby Atmos enhanced speakers in our booth #448 at the CEDIA Expo in September and you will also be able to hear them at Dolby's booth #180.
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And as for using any speaker as a ceiling height speaker-
Just recently was in communication with Steve Colburn at Triad who leads Product Development.........after waiting on confirmation with Dolby regarding Atmos ceiling speaker parameters, it was decided custom was my only alternative.

Just the other day, Dennis Erskine commented in my build thread to wait until CEDIA before purchasing "Atmos" speakers.........Dennis stated and I quote, "EXACT" match to my existing speakers. Knowing I'm looking for ceiling speakers.......suffice to say, there is more to the story than we know. My discussions with Triad took place little over a month ago........something is coming down pipeline that may work for my install. I suspect Atmos ceiling speakers may be available for Gold/Silver product line. Of course speculation, but I have a feeling I may have a solution other than Tannoy direction I was contemplating.
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Just recently was in communication with Steve Colburn at Triad who leads Product Development.........after waiting on confirmation with Dolby regarding Atmos ceiling speaker parameters, it was decided custom was my only alternative.

Just the other day, Dennis Erskine commented in my build thread to wait until CEDIA before purchasing "Atmos" speakers.........Dennis stated and I quote, "EXACT" match to my existing speakers. Knowing I'm looking for ceiling speakers.......suffice to say, there is more to the story than we know. My discussions with Triad took place little over a month ago........something is coming down pipeline that may work for my install. I suspect Atmos ceiling speakers may be available for Gold/Silver product line. Of course speculation, but I have a feeling I may have a solution other than Tannoy direction I was contemplating.
I'm hoping Triad has a good option for in ceiling to match my Silvers too (fingers crossed).
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I'm hoping Triad has a good option for in ceiling to match my Silvers too (fingers crossed).
I suspect we're the tip of iceberg..............
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I am back here again to talk Atmos! Seems to be a popular discussion these days.


I read most of the Dolby materials and I'm not sure that I would need anything other than good quality direct radiating in ceiling speakers to achieve Atmos. Most of the home theater diagrams depict a pair of front ceiling and a pair of rear ceiling speakers.


I currently have:
Triad Gold Monitors (L, C, R)
Triad Silver Subwoofers x 4
Triad Silver In Wall Surround x 4 (LS, LR, LBS, RBS)


Frankly, I was looking for two more sets of speakers for the ceiling. First, a pair of front ceiling speakers to satisfy Dolby IIz for now (front high channels) and then be available for Atmos in the future. Second, a pair of rear ceiling speakers to satisfy Atmos. Given the fact that for Dolby IIz, these are effect speakers and I'm not too sure how much specific Atmos effects will eventually be present, I was looking to match the Silver Surrounds. I actually have sort of settled on either 1) the InWall Silver Satellites to match the surrounds or 2) Inwall Silver Mini Monitors to sort of match the front Gold Monitors. I'm not sure that going all the way to Gold Mini Monitors in the ceiling for front high or Atmos effects is necessary.


Any opinion on which ones would be best for the application?

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I am back here again to talk Atmos! Seems to be a popular discussion these days.


I read most of the Dolby materials and I'm not sure that I would need anything other than good quality direct radiating in ceiling speakers to achieve Atmos. Most of the home theater diagrams depict a pair of front ceiling and a pair of rear ceiling speakers.


I currently have:
Triad Gold Monitors (L, C, R)
Triad Silver Subwoofers x 4
Triad Silver In Wall Surround x 4 (LS, LR, LBS, RBS)


Frankly, I was looking for two more sets of speakers for the ceiling. First, a pair of front ceiling speakers to satisfy Dolby IIz for now (front high channels) and then be available for Atmos in the future. Second, a pair of rear ceiling speakers to satisfy Atmos. Given the fact that for Dolby IIz, these are effect speakers and I'm not too sure how much specific Atmos effects will eventually be present, I was looking to match the Silver Surrounds. I actually have sort of settled on either 1) the InWall Silver Satellites to match the surrounds or 2) Inwall Silver Mini Monitors to sort of match the front Gold Monitors. I'm not sure that going all the way to Gold Mini Monitors in the ceiling for front high or Atmos effects is necessary.


Any opinion on which ones would be best for the application?
Silver surrounds will be a kink in source chain for Atmos, but certainly possible to make things work.

None of your options mentioned are going to work optimally for Atmos........

Dispersion is key ie. 90 degree conical meaning coaxial or similar. Since ceiling speakers are extremely close to boundary, you'll need configuration with least loobing issue along with SBIR.

Silver Sats are a no go......sensitivity is 7-8 db's less than your mains, besides Silver Sat are for background music application rather than full blown Home theater......just not dynamic enough for Atmos implementation.

Wait until after CEDIA to make decision.......I was planning to attend, even have my flight tickets purchased but my invite for Dolby Demo was pulled therefore I'm not going.
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TRIAD SPEAKER MATCHING

Hi everyone,

I've been a Triad dealer for ten years, and have enjoyed it immensely because Triad does what no other speaker manufacturer can. They build speakers to order, paint them to match your décor or wall color, offer gorgeous veneers and gloss finishes, and even custom size or custom engineer a speaker for your specific requirements. Thanks to great design and engineering, Triad speakers have exceptional sound quality. In addition, unlike most mass-market brands, virtually all of Triad's models are manufactured right here in the USA in Portland, Oregon.

The only problem (if you actually consider this a problem) is that Triad has well over 100 different products to choose from -- spanning the very affordable to the ultra-high end. With this many models it can be difficult to figure out which Triad speakers match one another. In other words, how do you know which surround or effects speaker to use with a specific LCR? Or how to choose a subwoofer that would work best in a given system? Like pairing your meal with a compatible wine, it's not always an easy task.

I've spent some time designing a chart that will help you choose a Triad speaker system that is sonically matched. Keep in mind that your room plays a big role in the speakers you choose. For example, as common sense would dictate, don't expect a small Triad Mini speaker to fill a 10,000 cubic foot room. Conversely, Platinum speakers in the master bath is probably overkill. In any case, I'll be updating the chart very soon to include Triad's new Atmos models in the coming weeks and months.

I would like to thank Bruce Franklin (Triad's Director of North American Sales) for giving me the permission and encouragement to go ahead with this project. A special thanks goes to Sales Coordinator Bill Ruark. None of this could have been accomplished without him. The man is a walking Triad Encyclopedia, and he's very, very knowledgeable about audio theory and room acoustics. I've learned a tremendous amount from him and hope to continue to learn more.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me at my email address below. I'll be more than happy to help you select a Triad system based on your specific needs.

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Hi everyone,

I've been a Triad dealer for ten years, and have enjoyed it immensely because Triad does what no other speaker manufacturer can. They build speakers to order, paint them to match your décor or wall color, offer gorgeous veneers and gloss finishes, and even custom size or custom engineer a speaker for your specific requirements. Thanks to great design and engineering, Triad speakers have exceptional sound quality. In addition, unlike most mass-market brands, virtually all of Triad's models are manufactured right here in the USA in Portland, Oregon.

The only problem (if you actually consider this a problem) is that Triad has well over 100 different products to choose from -- spanning the very affordable to the ultra-high end. With this many models it can be difficult to figure out which Triad speakers match one another. In other words, how do you know which surround or effects speaker to use with a specific LCR? Or how to choose a subwoofer that would work best in a given system? Like pairing your meal with a compatible wine, it's not always an easy task.

I've spent some time designing a chart that will help you choose a Triad speaker system that is sonically matched. Keep in mind that your room plays a big role in the speakers you choose. For example, as common sense would dictate, don't expect a small Triad Mini speaker to fill a 10,000 cubic foot room. Conversely, Platinum speakers in the master bath is probably overkill. In any case, I'll be updating the chart very soon to include Triad's new Atmos models in the coming weeks and months.

I would like to thank Bruce Franklin (Triad's Director of North American Sales) for giving me the permission and encouragement to go ahead with this project. A special thanks goes to Sales Coordinator Bill Ruark. None of this could have been accomplished without him. The man is a walking Triad Encyclopedia, and he's very, very knowledgeable about audio theory and room acoustics. I've learned a tremendous amount from him and hope to continue to learn more.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me at my email address below. I'll be more than happy to help you select a Triad system based on your specific needs.

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Impressive list!

Now I'm staring at my speakers and deciding who dies!

Current setup: Bronze in room LCR up front [prior gen], side surround silver on walls [current gen], back surround covered via InCorner Silver (now called Bronze Monitors). Guess replacing the side wall silver surrounds with bronze monitors is the path of least resistance.
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Bronze LR-H model to deliver award-winning Dolby Atmos multi-dimensional sound

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Portland, OR - August 27, 2014 - Custom made-in-the-USA manufacturer Triad Speakers, Inc. today announced a new home theater speaker developed to deliver captivating, multi-dimensional sound with Dolby Atmos. Triad's Bronze LR-H is an in-room loudspeaker that utilizes a traditional D'Appolito design (2 front-firing drivers with a tweeter located in between). Integrated into the enclosure is a Dolby-enabled height channel comprised of an up-firing top driver array that aims sound towards the ceiling. In the Dolby Atmos system, the Bronze LR-H is used for left and right front and rear main channels (one enclosure per channel).

With Dolby Atmos®, sound comes alive from all directions, including overhead, to fill the home theater with astonishing clarity, power, detail, and depth.

"At Triad, we are very proud of our role in helping Dolby develop the standards for Dolby Atmos enabled loudspeakers," says Triad Speakers, Inc. President and CEDIA Chairman Larry Pexton. "Dolby used Triad design and development services to prototype the upward firing Dolby enabled speakers and supplied our prototypes to its industry partners who used them to evaluate electronic components licensed under the Dolby Atmos program."

Demonstration at CEDIA Expo 2014
Triad will display the Bronze LR-H at its CEDIA Expo 2014 booth (#448). The Dolby booth (#180) will include two live presentations of Triad speakers, one using four InRoom Bronze LR-H (built-in Dolby enabled upward firing speakers), and another using four Triad InCeiling Bronze/8 LCRs for the overhead sound.

"Triad has been developing and experimenting with a wide range of solutions including in-room, in-wall, on-wall and in-ceiling designs," says Pexton. "Somewhat to our surprise, in testing our speakers we have found that the built-in height channel -- which reflects off the ceiling -- performs better in some applications than using dedicated ceiling speakers for the height channel."

"At the CEDIA Expo, listeners will be able to form their own judgment of which system they prefer. Either way I am very confident they will leave very impressed with capabilities and added sonic dimensions of the Dolby Atmos systems presented," furthered Pexton.

Bronze LR-H Specifications
Dimensions (inches): 7-9/16 (w) x 19-1/2 (h) x 9-1/4 (d)
Frequency Range: 88 Hz - 20 kHz (+/-3dB)
Recommended Amp Power: 50-200 watts (range)
Nominal impedance: 4 Ohms
Sensitivity: 89 dB (2.83v, 1m)
Front Firing Drivers: Two 5.5-inch SB Acoustics drivers and one 1-inch SB Acoustics fabric dome neodymium tweeter
Top Firing Drivers: Four 2-inch full-range ScanSpeak neodymium drivers

Pricing and Availability
The Bronze LR-H is priced at $1,000 MSRP per speaker. Availability is slated for Q4 2014.

The loudspeaker will be available in a wide variety of colors and finishes including custom paint-matched or veneered to match the d�cor of the room.

When mated to Triad Bronze Center Channel, Surrounds and DSP Subwoofer, the InRoom Bronze LR-H is the heart of a superb Dolby Atmos home theater system.

For all Triad Speakers, Inc. press inquiries please email paul@mutocomm.com or call 631.849.4301.
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Bronze LR-H model to deliver award-winning Dolby Atmos multi-dimensional sound
$1,000 a pop! Ouch. For some those Pioneer Atmos "enabled" speakers are going to be a bit more tempting.

Listen up, studios! Just say "NO" to DNR and EE!!
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Hope its not just these Bronze ones that get announced.
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