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i have a small dilemma and i thought maybe you could help me out here.

My wife found that the Sub-woofer will be Inroom (2 x 15" Gold Sub-woofer), so she asked me gently to find alternative solution to hide them.

to my knowledge, Triad do sell Inwall Silver 12" and Bronze 10" Slim Sub, so i came up with the below mixes and hoping to hear your opinions

1- 2x Inwall Silver behind the AT screen (each between Center and Left/Right speakers) + 2x Bronze Slim Sub in the back wall. Or i can place them in each corner.

2- 4x Bronze Slim Sub, and each will be in the middle of each wall. (front, back and side walls)

3- 1x Silver Sub behind AT screen, and 3x Bronze Slim Subs go in the other walls.

3- any other suggestion? (Room size, 26'D x 16'W x 11'H), two rows with the first seat 15' from the screen and the back seat is 5' from the back wall)


Note: Inwall Silver Sub can only placed in the front wall due to the size limitation in the other walls.
You have a AT screen. So I'm just going on what Triad recommended cause at first i had one sub per middle of wall. Both Bryan Pape and Traid said the same thing to me. 2 up front 2 in the rear as close to corners as you can make it happen. So I would go with 2 gold inrooms behind screen and then as Triad if 2 bronze slims in the rear is enough for this size room. If you have columns can you go deep enough with them to get silver inwalls in the columns if the separation is far enough of the 2 columns? If you sare following the recommended angles for your rear surrounds then the columns should already be close enough to the side walls in the rear to make it work. But I do know Triad will say 2 up front and 2 in the rear. But I don't know if the 2 slim bronzes will be enough fill along with the 2 golds.

Or you can bypass t he whole triad sub thing and just throw some Seaton subs behind the screen if you got the room. That will prob do the trick. A lot of guys have em here.

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Due to the size of your room, option 1 makes the most sense. Definitely position the IW Bronze Slim Subs in the rear corners, and if possible put the InWall Silver Subs as close to the front corners as you can.

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Currently have a Marantz 8801 which is an exceptional pre-pro. IMHO, there won't be a huge difference in other pre-pros. I recommend a pre-pro that is Atmos capable.

As far as where the 400 watts came from......I run my Gold LCR's off a Parasound A31 amp which is capable of 400 watts at 4 ohms which really makes the Golds sing. Just commenting due to receivers having a difficult time driving Golds to dynamic levels.
Well thanks for the input but para is a bit more than i can spend at this time but the 7702 is for sure any amps to look at before i pull the trigger.......MM8077 Thanks
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Well thanks for the input but para is a bit more than i can spend at this time but the 7702 is for sure any amps to look at before i pull the trigger.......MM8077 Thanks

I ran my Gold LCRs off an Ada ptm-6150. These are great high current amps that are built like tanks. You can usually pick up a used one for $5-600. Only downside is that they are fan cooled so not the best if your equipment is in your home theater (mine isn't).
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If I wanted to put I wall speakers in a column am I still using the brackets? I mean I know I neecthe brackets to pull and hold the speaker forward so it doesn't fall backwards but what if I want to use an in wall piece in a column but use speaker grill material? Can I just attach the speaker to the wall or on a shelf and make the column opening to accept speaker grill material? I know I shouldn't be confused with this but I am. I want to keep the depth of the column as low profile as possible that why.

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If I wanted to put I wall speakers in a column am I still using the brackets? I mean I know I neecthe brackets to pull and hold the speaker forward so it doesn't fall backwards but what if I want to use an in wall piece in a column but use speaker grill material? Can I just attach the speaker to the wall or on a shelf and make the column opening to accept speaker grill material? I know I shouldn't be confused with this but I am. I want to keep the depth of the column as low profile as possible that why.

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My columns are 3/4" Knotty Alder plywood with dimensions 16" wide by 6" deep. Triad issues a cutout template I used for columns. Speaker has toggles top and bottom that require a screwdriver which squeezes the speaker to the plywood flush.........when done, attach grill. Very slick, easy system.
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If I wanted to put I wall speakers in a column am I still using the brackets? I mean I know I neecthe brackets to pull and hold the speaker forward so it doesn't fall backwards but what if I want to use an in wall piece in a column but use speaker grill material? Can I just attach the speaker to the wall or on a shelf and make the column opening to accept speaker grill material? I know I shouldn't be confused with this but I am. I want to keep the depth of the column as low profile as possible that why.

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Yes you could do that as long as 1) You make sure to tighten the 4 grill screws all the way down and 2) Use some acoustic batting or foam behind the speaker to push it forward.

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Ok that's right. That was what I was looking for. You have to pad em a bit in the back. I haven't installed my mini's yet for the kids game area. I'm using brackets for those but I remember now that I didn't need to if I padded them. So lesson learned is when I build my columns try to get em not much deeper than the silver lcr's being used.

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Hi guys,
I'm looking for opinions for a two channel system. Specifically I would like to know your opinion on the following:

Inroom Omni Gold Se
Inroom Silver Mini Monitor
Inroom Gold Mini Monitor

Reviews seem scarce especially for the Omnis so I'm hoping that some of you have real world experience with these speakers.

I'm thinking of using a Marantz PM6005 or PM7005 to drive them.

It will be for my home office set up, not a very large room about 13 ft by 10 ft.

I'm also looking at RBH SX-61/R as another speaker option.


Thank you in advance for your help.


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Forgot to ask - in terms of triad paint finish what is included? Is it a matte finish, satin, or glossy. Has anyone painted them Ferrari red? Were you happy with the results.
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Hi guys,
I'm looking for opinions for a two channel system. Specifically I would like to know your opinion on the following:

Inroom Omni Gold Se
Inroom Silver Mini Monitor
Inroom Gold Mini Monitor

Reviews seem scarce especially for the Omnis so I'm hoping that some of you have real world experience with these speakers.

I'm thinking of using a Marantz PM6005 or PM7005 to drive them.

It will be for my home office set up, not a very large room about 13 ft by 10 ft.

I'm also looking at RBH SX-61/R as another speaker option.


Thank you in advance for your help.


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For music only........you really should be looking at Gold Monitors......my favorite Triad Product.

As far as answering your question on painting grill, Triad will match any color you want.
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The gold monitors look and probably sound pretty sweet. Unfortunately, they are outside of the present budget.

With regards to the painting, is it the grill or is it the entire speaker including the grill that is custom painted?


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Regarding the Triad speakers you are considering, the InRoom Silver MiniMonitors will work best with the Marantz amp you are considering.

Triad will paint the speaker box in any matte or semi-gloss finish you wish. The MiniMonitors (both Gold and Silver) come with a fabric grille (black or white). The Omni Gold SE comes with a metal grill which Triad will also paint with your chosen color. I've seen the high gloss finishes and they are beautiful, however there is an upcharge for them.

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"Hi guys big? I have a Triad Gold LCR system driven by a Pioneer VSX-94 I am thinking of upgrading to a Marantz AV7702 with a marantz mm8077 the room is small 13 x 14 x 8 will we see a change is it worth the money sonically not for my ego . Or can you suggest another change that maybe better many thanks.

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Currently have a Marantz 8801 which is an exceptional pre-pro. IMHO, there won't be a huge difference in other pre-pros. I recommend a pre-pro that is Atmos capable.

As far as where the 400 watts came from......I run my Gold LCR's off a Parasound A31 amp which is capable of 400 watts at 4 ohms which really makes the Golds sing. Just commenting due to receivers having a difficult time driving Golds to dynamic levels.
Go with the 7702. That is what I am doing. Like Doublewing said, the 8801 is a nice AVR, but I would go with a prepro with Atmos.

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Thanks for the input Doublewing and Dawn.

Re the Marantz integrated amp, does it not have enough power to really make the Gold MiniMonitors or the Omnis sing?

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Well thanks for the input but para is a bit more than i can spend at this time but the 7702 is for sure any amps to look at before i pull the trigger.......MM8077 Thanks
Just a quick update thank you for all you comments I pulled the trigger on the c31 for the fronts and a mm8077 for the rears and surround with a 7702 so we should be good to go .........

Happy Holidays to all and thank you again
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Well thanks for the input but para is a bit more than i can spend at this time but the 7702 is for sure any amps to look at before i pull the trigger.......MM8077 Thanks
Just a quick update thank you for all you comments I pulled the trigger on the c31 for the fronts and a mm8077 for the rears and surround with a 7702 so we should be good to go .........

Happy Holidays to all and thank you again
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In a recent interview, Anthony Grimani spoke more than once about using Triad B-ipole surrounds in some of the smaller theaters he designs. He's usually very precise and wouldn't be likely to mix up dipole and bipole speakers.

But near as I can tell, Traid doesn't make bipoles, only dipoles.

Was he having a brain fart, or did I miss something?
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In a recent interview, Anthony Grimani spoke more than once about using Triad B-ipole surrounds in some of the smaller theaters he designs. He's usually very precise and wouldn't be likely to mix up dipole and bipole speakers.

But near as I can tell, Traid doesn't make bipoles, only dipoles.

Was he having a brain fart, or did I miss something?
Unless Triad re-designed their surrounds (which might actually be a great idea given 3D surround formats), they're still dipoles.

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Unless Triad re-designed their surrounds (which might actually be a great idea given 3D surround formats), they're still dipoles.
That was my understanding as well.

A bipole, using the physical configuration of their dipoles, might an interesting offering for small rooms.
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In a recent interview, Anthony Grimani spoke more than once about using Triad B-ipole surrounds in some of the smaller theaters he designs. He's usually very precise and wouldn't be likely to mix up dipole and bipole speakers.

But near as I can tell, Traid doesn't make bipoles, only dipoles.

Was he having a brain fart, or did I miss something?
I just finished watching this interview tonight too and was equally confused with all the Triad speakers spec'd out in the plans yet he continued to say bipole -- in fact I was just googling this

So, anyone in the know care to speak up?

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No Triad bipoles that I'm aware of.

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I just finished watching this interview tonight too and was equally confused with all the Triad speakers spec'd out in the plans yet he continued to say bipole -- in fact I was just googling this

So, anyone in the know care to speak up?
What was really weird, if you look closely at some of those diagrams he shows, although the text is tough to read, it almost LOOKS like it says BIPOLE in writing on the blueprints....

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Just a quick update here,

I've contacted Triad (and i got a reply from Mr. Steve, "he was very nice and helpful") to seek their recommendation for InCeiling Speakers to go with my Front 3x Inwall Gold LCR & 4x Inwall Silver LCR (for surround and rear) to have a complete Atmos setup in my new HT. They recommended 4x InCeiling Bronze/8 LCR as my front and rear heights.

from their email, i have the following summary for Atmos setup:

- Monopole all the way. No Di-pole (big no!)

- Bi-pole might work, but with some compromise to the image focus compared to monopole.

- Height of the speakers should be to the listener ear level. (or maximum x 1.25, for example, Main front height = 42", then the surround should be no higher than 52"). if not in the same ear level, they recommend to slightly angle them down.

- Recommended to have minimum of 5ft from any speaker (surround or rear). (for my case, the sweet spot is pretty good with minimum 7 ft, but the second row is not optimum, but who cares as long as i enjoy my sweet spot .. and normally guests cannot tell the differences, right!

- Flat baffle speakers (like inwall type), can be used as height speakers, but will provide limited listening area. therefore, it would be better to use angled baffle InCeiling for good angular coverage.


Good Luck,,
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Thanks for sharing.

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- Bi-pole might work, but with some compromise to the image focus compared to monopole.
Again with the bipoles, even Triad is mentioning them.....

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- Recommended to have minimum of 5ft from any speaker (surround or rear).
That's a challenge in many rooms. My room is 12' wide. I could have one seat that barely satisfies that requirement.
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Ok on the amps now.

I'm thinks two of these from Ada.

http://www.ada.net/products/av/ptm_6150.php

To run 7 silver lcr's for my bed audio and 4 in ceiling bronze/8 lcr's.

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