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cdepaola's Avatar cdepaola
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Remodeling our family room which has me evaluating our av needs. We currently have some B&W in walls and SVS sub. The sub now needs to go in-wall and I've been happy with my in-ceiling triad subs in other rooms so I think I'm going to to do two of the slim-subs. My dilemma is the in-walls. I'm looking at the Silver4 LCR but part of the remodel includes stone going up the wall right where speakers are.

So Silver4 LCR VS Mini LCR 3 SE? The sound at would make life easier but am I losing a ton, or does this sound bar perform well enough?
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I picked up some used triad in wall gold monitors a few months back and am going to start my little reno to install them now. I am looking for a little help with how to mount them. Do I need some kind of bracket or can I just frame them in somehow? How would I attach them to the frame without hurting the speaker?
Dawn Gordon's Avatar Dawn Gordon
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Triad InWall's self mount using the little sliding brackets on the back of the speaker. The sliders mount behind the drywall. The front grill sandwiches the speaker against the drywall and prevents it from falling backwards.

PM me with your email and I'll send you a .pdf with diagrams.
jes5e's Avatar jes5e
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Hey Dawn, thanks again for the great pricing on the Triads. I really appreciate working with someone who's so responsive and helpful.
Dawn Gordon's Avatar Dawn Gordon
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You're most welcome Jesse. Enjoy your new Triads!
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Hey Dawn thanks from me as well. Love my Gold Monitors! Will be back to get the 14 Triad speakers including some platinum's like we discussed in the future.
Dawn Gordon's Avatar Dawn Gordon
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Sahan,

Glad you were able to come back to AVS. You'll find a ton of useful info here. Don't forget to check out our Triad Speaker Matching chart: Triad Owner's Thread

And also make sure you read about Dolby Atmos both here in the forums and at this Dolby link: http://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolog...lby-atmos.html

I was very impressed with the Atmos demos I saw at CEDIA.

Dawn
cdepaola's Avatar cdepaola
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So how does the Mini LCR 3 SE compare to other speakers in the Triad line as well as other soundbars? I've got other triad speakers including some silver inceiling monitors but haven't been able to find anyone with the Mini LCR 3 SE to demo. Its a toss up right now between this and the new bar from Golden Ear
Dawn Gordon's Avatar Dawn Gordon
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I can't really compare it to any of the standard Triad LCRs. It is a soundbar so it has the same limitations that you'll find in this class of speaker. That said, it's the best soundbar I've ever heard.
Dan Hitchman's Avatar Dan Hitchman
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So how does the Mini LCR 3 SE compare to other speakers in the Triad line as well as other soundbars? I've got other triad speakers including some silver inceiling monitors but haven't been able to find anyone with the Mini LCR 3 SE to demo. Its a toss up right now between this and the new bar from Golden Ear
If this is for a main home theater, I would not recommend going the soundbar route.
cdepaola's Avatar cdepaola
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It's for a family room, not a "theater".

The only issue is its a large family room, 35x20x17. However we are in the process of a remodel and I'm not sure our current in wall speakers can stay because of stone being added to the wall.

In room speakers are not an option, at all.


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cdepaola's Avatar cdepaola
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Silver Flex Sub - Anyone have experience with this sub?

Just curious on your thoughts.
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Looking for a recommendation on a pair of "decent" speakers to round out my a new 5.2 system (current setup LCR is Studio 60 towers, cc-590, dual SB-2000 subs). I will be wiring for 7.2.2 so the new pair I am looking for right away needs to allow for the future growth of the system (and as budget allows).


Couple variables that come into the decision:
- room is dedicated for watching TV/movies and music.
- will be making a good attempt at soundproofing
- I am not wanting floor clutter on the back side (so I am looking for speakers that are on/in walls or ceilings)


Price wise was looking at the silver's...but would like to keep it around $1K for the pair


For the surrounds on a 5.2 is better for the speakers to be on the wall and more level with me seating area (vs. ceiling)?
Then for the back's for the "7" is ceiling?
Wiring for Atmos would be the ceiling "7.2.2" setup...honestly I may never go to this but wiring for it now just in case as the walls and ceiling will be exposed


Thanks!
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If I were using Plats for the LCR's (I'm not), what is the minimum Triad speaker recommended for side and rear surrounds. I am used to a very dynamic system and don't want to cripple the performance by using the wrong surrounds. Unfortunately, I also have a budget so would prefer not to spend $5200 (e.g. Gold LCR's) for surrounds.

Feedback appreciated. Someone whose ears I trust suggested that anything short of the Gold LCR's could be an issue.
Dan Hitchman's Avatar Dan Hitchman
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If I were using Plats for the LCR's (I'm not), what is the minimum Triad speaker recommended for side and rear surrounds. I am used to a very dynamic system and don't want to cripple the performance by using the wrong surrounds. Unfortunately, I also have a budget so would prefer not to spend $5200 (e.g. Gold LCR's) for surrounds.

Feedback appreciated. Someone whose ears I trust suggested that anything short of the Gold LCR's could be an issue.

Are you not satisfied with the speaker system you have now? Your theater thread shows you seemly have some pretty darn good speakers now.

However, I don't think your room size warrants going all the way to the Platinums. You do want to stick with monopoles if you can help it, and try to timbre match as much as you can.

And for one thing, you would need to lower your surrounds to just above ear level in your situation... you do have an Atmos capable receiver... and one would think you would probably want to plan for overheads and have as much separation between the main and top layer as possible.
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Are you not satisfied with the speaker system you have now? Your theater thread shows you seemly have some pretty darn good speakers now.

However, I don't think your room size warrants going all the way to the Platinums. You do want to stick with monopoles if you can help it, and try to timbre match as much as you can.

And for one thing, you would need to lower your surrounds to just above ear level in your situation... you do have an Atmos capable receiver... and one would think you would probably want to plan for overheads and have as much separation between the main and top layer as possible.
Thanks for your response. I do have great speakers now. I am in the early stages of trying to determine if I need to scratch an itch (for lack of a better way to put it!!)

My room is reasonable size: 22 x 19 x 8. I have had much larger speakers than I have now in a smaller room (Dunlavy SC-VI's) and they worked really well. I'm comfortable that Platinums would work really well in my room should I choose to make that change. As I continue my evaluation, I will go visit someone who has them installed. (My dealer does not have them installed yet).

I am in the process of lowering my surrounds to about 50 inches (from 71) so that the rear surrounds will clear the back of the seats. I already have some ceiling speakers that don't match any thing else and they still seem to work just fine (not attractive however). I am running Atmos (7.4.4) and that is why I will be lowering the surrounds. While Atmos sounds great now, I am believing it will be even more immersive once the surrounds are lowered.

I agree that it may be desirable to try and timbre match the surrounds to the mains but I also know that with current room correction systems, they don't have to be matched perfectly. In fact they can be pretty mis-matched and still get great performance once room correction has done its thing. I would certainly want to stay with the same brand but I have heard some awesome home theater systems where the mains, surrounds and ceilings were all different manufacturers and it still sounded spectacular. Gotta love from correction (I know many don't agree with my premise on this issue but that's OK).
Dan Hitchman's Avatar Dan Hitchman
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Thanks for your response. I do have great speakers now. I am in the early stages of trying to determine if I need to scratch an itch (for lack of a better way to put it!!)

My room is reasonable size: 22 x 19 x 8. I have had much larger speakers than I have now in a smaller room (Dunlavy SC-VI's) and they worked really well. I'm comfortable that Platinums would work really well in my room should I choose to make that change. As I continue my evaluation, I will go visit someone who has them installed. (My dealer does not have them installed yet).

I am in the process of lowering my surrounds to about 50 inches (from 71) so that the rear surrounds will clear the back of the seats. I already have some ceiling speakers that don't match any thing else and they still seem to work just fine (not attractive however). I am running Atmos (7.4.4) and that is why I will be lowering the surrounds. While Atmos sounds great now, I am believing it will be even more immersive once the surrounds are lowered.

I agree that it may be desirable to try and timbre match the surrounds to the mains but I also know that with current room correction systems, they don't have to be matched perfectly. In fact they can be pretty mis-matched and still get great performance once room correction has done its thing. I would certainly want to stay with the same brand but I have heard some awesome home theater systems where the mains, surrounds and ceilings were all different manufacturers and it still sounded spectacular. Gotta love from correction (I know many don't agree with my premise on this issue but that's OK).
If Platinums are what you want and decide to go with... I would use the surrounds you have now and then save up for at least the Silver Monitors then sell the previous speakers to help defray a bit of the costs. IMHO it would be quite a mismatch to have Plats in the front and a then go lower than that for the surrounds. They're recommended by Triad for a fairly timbre matched Atmos setup.
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^^^^^^^^^^
Looks impressive
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Awesome speakers BB! What is the retail for each on those?
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^^^^^^^^^^
Looks impressive
I think I started at them for ten minutes yesterday. Lolol.

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Awesome speakers BB! What is the retail for each on those?
Thanks man! These are $7500 each retail. I wouldn't normally state a price, but Dawn Gordon, Queen of Awesomeness posted a speaker/price list, I think I can post.
Dawn Gordon's Avatar Dawn Gordon
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"Queen of Awesomeness"

Remind me to tell that to my husband. :-)

BTW, here's the chart/ price list: Triad Owner's Thread
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Does anyone know if all Triad speaker drivers have that spiral design on them? The reason I ask is I'm interested in buying a Triad speaker from someone and I've seen numerous pics that show the serial number and whatnot, but the drivers don't have that spiraled design. I'm not sure what to make of it? Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
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Does anyone know if all Triad speaker drivers have that spiral design on them? The reason I ask is I'm interested in buying a Triad speaker from someone and I've seen numerous pics that show the serial number and whatnot, but the drivers don't have that spiraled design. I'm not sure what to make of it? Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
It depends on the driver model (and thus speaker model), but if you're looking at a current model then I'd expect it to match the website photo. My Gold Omni SE for instance do not have the spiral and match the site photo:
http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/iwg4ose.html
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The Triad Gold and Silver Monitor and MiniMonitor Series have those drivers.

http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/irgmon.html
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Does anyone know if all Triad speaker drivers have that spiral design on them? The reason I ask is I'm interested in buying a Triad speaker from someone and I've seen numerous pics that show the serial number and whatnot, but the drivers don't have that spiraled design. I'm not sure what to make of it? Any help would be appreciated, thanks!

To add a third confirmation, not all models have them. Just checked a Gold LCR here and no spiral midrange drivers.
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The "spiral" speakers Triad uses are a proprietary version of the Scan-Speak Revelator mid-woofer. The paper cones are sliced diagonally and then re-glued with a dampening glue. This is said to reduce breakup modes in the diaphragm. Here is the Scan-Speak literature on the Revelator:

http://www.scan-speak.dk/prod_rev.htm
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The Revelator series of midwoofers was introduced just before the the tweeters. The sliced paper cone technology represented a breakthrough in midrange clarity and overall smooth frequency response characteristics. The slices are filled with damping glue, which dramatically reduce break-up modes in the diaphragm.

The design of the Revelator sliced diaphragm has also been attempted to be copied. The lack of an application of damping to other designs keeps the copycats from providing a quality driver.
Here is the product brochure which includes all the T-S parameters of the stock driver:
http://www.scan-speak.dk/datasheet/pdf/15w-4531g00.pdf

Triad makes some kind of change to the stock Revelator to make it "proprietary." I don't know what they change because, well, it's... proprietary.

Triad uses Revelators in several, but not all, of their speakers. I know the Plat's and the Silver Monitors use a pair of 5.25" Revelators and the Gold Monitors use a pair of 6.5" Revelators. The Gold and Silver MiniMonitors use a single of each of their respective sizes. I'm not sure which other speakers have the Revelators, but Triad doesn't "need" to use the Revelators to make a fantastic sounding speaker.

Craig
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How does Triad differentiate between their LCR speakers and their monitors? If I bought 3 InRoom Gold Monitors for the front they would become LCR speakers right? With it's D'Appolito design the center could even be oriented horizontally, even though the off axis response would not be as good as say the LCR Gold Center with the tweeter and mid rotated 90 degrees. Triad's website says - "For Home Theater applications, you should use an LCR for best results". Do they consider their InRoom Gold LCR speakers to be better for home theater than 3 InRoom Gold Monitors across the front? Maybe they differentiate them by saying their LCR is a three way while their Monitor is a two way. Or maybe I'm just down in the weeds and overthinking this. Actually I think I'm just really enamored with the idea of a bunch of Scan-Speak drivers across the front and I am trying to rationalize using monitors as LCR speakers.
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How does Triad differentiate between their LCR speakers and their monitors? If I bought 3 InRoom Gold Monitors for the front they would become LCR speakers right? With it's D'Appolito design the center could even be oriented horizontally, even though the off axis response would not be as good as say the LCR Gold Center with the tweeter and mid rotated 90 degrees. Triad's website says - "For Home Theater applications, you should use an LCR for best results". Do they consider their InRoom Gold LCR speakers to be better for home theater than 3 InRoom Gold Monitors across the front? Maybe they differentiate them by saying their LCR is a three way while their Monitor is a two way. Or maybe I'm just down in the weeds and overthinking this. Actually I think I'm just really enamored with the idea of a bunch of Scan-Speak drivers across the front and I am trying to rationalize using monitors as LCR speakers.
The Monitor versions have improved, premium drivers and crossovers compared to the LCR models in each speaker tier. They're more refined speakers for those who want that extra level of performance, especially for music.
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The Monitor versions have improved, premium drivers and crossovers compared to the LCR models in each speaker tier. They're more refined speakers for those who want that extra level of performance, especially for music.
Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I was thinking that the LCR versions within a tier were somehow better suited for HT than the monitors.
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