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Dawn Gordon's Avatar Dawn Gordon
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Hi Jesse,

The first thing I would do is reset the Denon to factory default settings, and start over. Do not use the automated speaker setup. We'll do it manually for now.

0. Set All Speakers to Small.
1. Set the LCR's crossover to 80 or 90 and 90 for the surrounds.
2 Set the LFE Output to LFE and main.
3. Make sure that you have the LCRs and surround's distance to your seating position set correctly.
4. Make sure that the surround speakers are oriented properly. They are designed to go on specific sides of the room and are labelled left and right. Is it possible that you didn't see this when installing?
5. Make sure the sub is in a "node." Good spots for this are generally corners.
6. Check the speaker phasing. Even pro's can get this wrong from time to time.
7. Get some fabric in that room, area rugs, heavy curtains, fabric chairs and couches. Sounds to me like there's not enough absorptive surfaces in the room.
8. You can also raise the channel levels for the surrounds. A lot of folks complain that there's not enough sound coming out of the rears, and often it's the program material, and not the system. Get Spider-Man (2002) and watch Chapter 19 -- you'll see what I mean.

Let us know what happens!

Dawn
jes5e's Avatar jes5e
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Thanks a lot Dawn, I'll give it a try and report back!

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Hi Jesse,

The first thing I would do is reset the Denon to factory default settings, and start over. Do not use the automated speaker setup. We'll do it manually for now.

0. Set All Speakers to Small.
1. Set the LCR's crossover to 80 or 90 and 90 for the surrounds.
2 Set the LFE Output to LFE and main.
3. Make sure that you have the LCRs and surround's distance to your seating position set correctly.
4. Make sure that the surround speakers are oriented properly. They are designed to go on specific sides of the room and are labelled left and right. Is it possible that you didn't see this when installing?
5. Make sure the sub is in a "node." Good spots for this are generally corners.
6. Check the speaker phasing. Even pro's can get this wrong from time to time.
7. Get some fabric in that room, area rugs, heavy curtains, fabric chairs and couches. Sounds to me like there's not enough absorptive surfaces in the room.

Let us know what happens!

Dawn

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I will be joining the Triad community. I will be getting 3 Platinum LCR's for the front and 4 Silver Monitors for side and rear surrounds. Anxiously looking forward to getting this installed.
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I will be joining the Triad community. I will be getting 3 Platinum LCR's for the front and 4 Silver Monitors for side and rear surrounds. Anxiously looking forward to getting this installed.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Welcome, good sir, to the club!
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Welcome, good sir, to the club!
I went to CraigJohn's over the weekend, and except for 3 hours we sat on the Tollway due to an ice storm and some very serious auto accidents (including two deaths), it was a great time. I was sold ofter he put on the first multi-channel DVD (NOT Bluray) of some music. I can't compare to the sound in my room exactly with the Seaton speakers since our rooms are treated very differently. But I heard enough to write the check.
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(anyone looking for Silver Surrounds, on wall style, current version, please check out my post in the classifieds)
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In my 15 x 19 room I need to go all ceiling (although maybe subwoofer in wall if unobtrusive location). A 60" TV will be centered on one 19' wall with the seating area on the opposite 19' wall. I also want decent quality 2 channel music from the LR ceiling speakers. As a comparison, in my old house I used to run 5 Paradigm SA-35 inwalls and I thought they sounded good for both HT and music.

So, how about IC Silver Mini Monitor for LCR? Will they be markedly superior to the IC Bronze/8 LCR? For HT? For music?

And for surrounds, I've looked at Dawn's chart but no ceilings are listed as surrounds. If I have to use ceilings for surrounds, what do you recommend for the Silver LCR? For the bronze LCR?

Finally, the subwoofer -- if I went in the ceiling, where would it go best -- between the two surrounds so directly over the seating area? Or should I put it in the wall at floor level - my options would be to put it directly under the surround (on the right) or directly under the TV?

The basic setup of the 5 ceiling speakers, without the subwoofer, would like something like this:

L C R


S S

Thanks - sorry if I'm leaving important info out - just let me know. Your help is much appreciated.
Dan Hitchman's Avatar Dan Hitchman
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In my 15 x 19 room I need to go all ceiling (although maybe subwoofer in wall if unobtrusive location). A 60" TV will be centered on one 19' wall with the seating area on the opposite 19' wall. I also want decent quality 2 channel music from the LR ceiling speakers. As a comparison, in my old house I used to run 5 Paradigm SA-35 inwalls and I thought they sounded good for both HT and music.

So, how about IC Silver Mini Monitor for LCR? Will they be markedly superior to the IC Bronze/8 LCR? For HT? For music?

And for surrounds, I've looked at Dawn's chart but no ceilings are listed as surrounds. If I have to use ceilings for surrounds, what do you recommend for the Silver LCR? For the bronze LCR?

Finally, the subwoofer -- if I went in the ceiling, where would it go best -- between the two surrounds so directly over the seating area? Or should I put it in the wall at floor level - my options would be to put it directly under the surround (on the right) or directly under the TV?

The basic setup of the 5 ceiling speakers, without the subwoofer, would like something like this:

L C R


S S

Thanks - sorry if I'm leaving important info out - just let me know. Your help is much appreciated.
Any particular reason you have to have all in-ceilings? Otherwise, there will be no Dolby Atmos, or DTS-X, or Auro3D in your future.
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Any particular reason you have to have all in-ceilings? Otherwise, there will be no Dolby Atmos, or DTS-X, or Auro3D in your future.

In a nutshell -- windows and wife. So, ceilings it is.
Dawn Gordon's Avatar Dawn Gordon
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Doug,

Yes, you can use in-ceilings for surrounds (I'm updating the chart next month), but as Dan pointed out, if you configure all your speakers as InCeilings you will lose the ability to use Atmos processing. Since that's not a problem for you, then you should be fine using IC Bronze or IC Silver LCRs for your surround channels. Triad doesn't normally make IC Silver LCRs, but they will custom build them for you for an additional charge. Keep in mind that the Silver LCR InCeiling model will be 19" wide, so your ceiling joists need to accommodate this width.
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