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Old 02-04-2016, 06:15 PM
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What triad speakers would be appropriate for my room? 1 row seating. MLP about 16 feet back on a 2 foot high riser in a slightly smaller than 20x30x12 room. I listen -10db below reference. I guess designing for reference is ok, since that allows 10db of headroom, so I am not running the system at its limits.

I would like 7 speakers, plus Atmos if possible. I am past the point where putting speakers in the ceiling is viable.

 

 

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I think in a room that size most will tell you Silver at a minimum, and Gold if you actually want clean reference level.

I have Bronze LCR in a much smaller room (16x17 with 11-12ft distance to front 3 speakers) and they can do -10 easily powered by my Denon 6200 internal amps. But you will need considerably more.

The good news is the room is so large that you can use direct firing speakers for surrounds which is ideal for immersive audio. So maybe Silver LCR for surrounds and LR-H in back for rear Atmos (just to be clear can you do ON ceiling or do you need reflective modules)?
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What triad speakers would be appropriate for my room? 1 row seating. MLP about 16 feet back on a 2 foot high riser in a slightly smaller than 20x30x12 room. I listen -10db below reference. I guess designing for reference is ok, since that allows 10db of headroom, so I am not running the system at its limits.

I would like 7 speakers, plus Atmos if possible. I am past the point where putting speakers in the ceiling is viable.
In a room that size, you'll need more than 7 speakers, I think. You need Platinums or Golds for your LCRs...Golds for surrounds, since Atmos is changing the way surround channels are mixed (no holding back). You can do Atmos...Will need to do a coffered ceiling and run speaker wires within the wood assembly.
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What triad speakers would be appropriate for my room? 1 row seating. MLP about 16 feet back on a 2 foot high riser in a slightly smaller than 20x30x12 room. I listen -10db below reference. I guess designing for reference is ok, since that allows 10db of headroom, so I am not running the system at its limits.

I would like 7 speakers, plus Atmos if possible. I am past the point where putting speakers in the ceiling is viable.
I would look at Gold or higher.

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I'm trying to figure out how to get some speaker boxes for the KEF in-ceiling speakers like you have. KEF doesn't offer them. I don't have time to make them myself, so I am now leaning towards getting the Triad IC silver monitors because they are in an enclosure. Would this be an OK switch. considering?

My theater is single row seating, so Triad has said that 90x90 round speakers are OK for this application. Please share your thoughts. Thanks
Dave,

Triad's naming system can be confusing. The IC Silver Monitor 6 is not a round speaker:


http://www.triadspeakers.com/product...lver6-monitor/

Are you meaning the IC Silver Sealed Round:



http://www.triadspeakers.com/product...r-sealedround/
That speaker is not part of the "Silver Monitor" line as it uses different drivers altogether.

If you're referring to the Silver Sealed Round, then I would suggest you consider the IC Silver DT Sealed Round, which has dual tweeters and would have broader dispersion:



http://www.triadspeakers.com/product...t-sealedround/

My only concern would be their ability to keep up with the Platnums and Gold LCR surrounds in terms of output. If Triad says they can, then... I guess they can.

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Still no timbre matched gold Atmos speakers, though, correct? Same for the Plats - they have LCR and subs but no surrounds. The Cinema reference use AMT in LCR, and while they have designated CR surrounds, they don't use AMT drivers.

It looks like silver is as high as the timbre matched systems go for Atmos, no?

Do the LCR or the monitors play louder? Can I mix them?

 

 

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I'm trying to figure out how to get some speaker boxes for the KEF in-ceiling speakers like you have. KEF doesn't offer them. I don't have time to make them myself, so I am now leaning towards getting the Triad IC silver monitors because they are in an enclosure. Would this be an OK switch. considering?

My theater is single row seating, so Triad has said that 90x90 round speakers are OK for this application. Please share your thoughts. Thanks
Should work fine........................

I used the Kef's due to wanting dispersion for two rows of seven seats..................if you're talking only one row, should be fine and is a solid choice. Oops......Mike already answered.
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What triad speakers would be appropriate for my room? 1 row seating. MLP about 16 feet back on a 2 foot high riser in a slightly smaller than 20x30x12 room. I listen -10db below reference. I guess designing for reference is ok, since that allows 10db of headroom, so I am not running the system at its limits.

I would like 7 speakers, plus Atmos if possible. I am past the point where putting speakers in the ceiling is viable.

NO YOU'RE NOT!!!!

You have 12 ft ceiling for crying out loud! Perfect height for building something beautiful on the ceiling to hide Atmo ceiling speakers............and use it as a chase for wiring!!!!
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In a room that size, you'll need more than 7 speakers, I think. You need Platinums or Golds for your LCRs...Golds for surrounds, since Atmos is changing the way surround channels are mixed (no holding back). You can do Atmos...Will need to do a coffered ceiling and run speaker wires within the wood assembly.
Why would he need to do a coffered ceiling? I plan on doing a Atmos theater with a painted starfield ceiling with no coffer beams. Is there something I am missing?
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Dave,

Triad's naming system can be confusing. The IC Silver Monitor 6 is not a round speaker:


http://www.triadspeakers.com/product...lver6-monitor/

Are you meaning the IC Silver Sealed Round:



http://www.triadspeakers.com/product...r-sealedround/
That speaker is not part of the "Silver Monitor" line as it uses different drivers altogether.

If you're referring to the Silver Sealed Round, then I would suggest you consider the IC Silver DT Sealed Round, which has dual tweeters and would have broader dispersion:



http://www.triadspeakers.com/product...t-sealedround/

My only concern would be their ability to keep up with the Platnums and Gold LCR surrounds in terms of output. If Triad says they can, then... I guess they can.

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Hi Craig, those DT sealed rounds are 8 ohm speakers. Is that a problem mixing them with the Plats? And they are 87 sensitivity versus the 94 of the Plats.

I am still trying to figure out why Triad said to mount the inceiling silver monitor 6 speakers in the corners of the room. That placement makes no sense to me with Atmos. I would just like to know which ceiling speakers I should get with backing boxes and where to mount them.

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Why would he need to do a coffered ceiling? I plan on doing a Atmos theater with a painted starfield ceiling with no coffer beams. Is there something I am missing?

Greetings. He mentioned he was beyond the point of putting speakers in his ceilings. The coffered ceiling would give him raceways that he could run the cable through to surface mounted speakers.
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Yeah, I could build down, but I can't put anything above the drywall. Too much women cave infrastructure running above. I thought on-wall vs in-wall might make a difference in recommendations. I wasn't able to view the compatibility chart from my iPad, but after pulling it up on a PC it answered a lot of questions.

Raised some, though, like why do the silver monitors match the plats and the golds don't? Also, I didn't see the new silver height modules listed, as far as what which models they work with.

Still thinking the silvers all the way around, with silver Atmos bounce speakers would be easiest if I could fit under their SPL limits. Does Triad provide max usable SPL stats for their speakers? By usable, I mean in a way a normal person would use them, before distortion or other undesirable artifacts from pushing the speakers to hard start to manifest.

 

 

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Why would he need to do a coffered ceiling? I plan on doing a Atmos theater with a painted starfield ceiling with no coffer beams. Is there something I am missing?
The coffered ceiling or "box beams" will provide some diffraction of the sound and it looks great too. It's just another way to skin the cat.

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Hi I am new member and I'd like to thx the guys here for there valuable info abou triad speakers and now i am planing to go with triad spekers for my home theater and i like to have ur comment my system will be as planing is triad silver 7.1.4 and my room is about 19"*14*W*12H .

The system will be :
- Triad IR SILVER LCR (3 inrom 4 in wall for the surround)

- Triad IR SILVER SUB (one at the moment and mybe i will go for 2)

-Triad IC SILVER/6 SATELLITE (4 for atmos)

My Q. Is is this system will be fine or should i go with the golds ?

Note: still not decide about the av receiver still wait to see a one had all the new format.

Plz id like to have ur sugest about my system

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rabident[/COLOR];41410233]Yeah, I could build down, but I can't put anything above the drywall. Too much women cave infrastructure running above. I thought on-wall vs in-wall might make a difference in recommendations. I wasn't able to view the compatibility chart from my iPad, but after pulling it up on a PC it answered a lot of questions.

Raised some, though, like why do the silver monitors match the plats and the golds don't? Also, I didn't see the new silver height modules listed, as far as what which models they work with.

Still thinking the silvers all the way around, with silver Atmos bounce speakers would be easiest if I could fit under their SPL limits. Does Triad provide max usable SPL stats for their speakers? By usable, I mean in a way a normal person would use them, before distortion or other undesirable artifacts from pushing the speakers to hard start to manifest.
Triad doesn't have SPL charts per se. But I did manage to get a room size guide/chart from them.

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Hi I am new member and I'd like to thx the guys here for there valuable info abou triad speakers and now i am planing to go with triad spekers for my home theater and i like to have ur comment my system will be as planing is triad silver 7.1.4 and my room is about 19"*14*W*12H .

The system will be :
- Triad IR SILVER LCR (3 inrom 4 in wall for the surround)

- Triad IR SILVER SUB (one at the moment and mybe i will go for 2)

-Triad IC SILVER/6 SATELLITE (4 for atmos)

My Q. Is is this system will be fine or should i go with the golds ?

Note: still not decide about the av receiver still wait to see a one had all the new format.

Plz id like to have ur sugest about my system

Best regards

Ahmed
As far as room size, you are definitely good to go with the Silver system. Everything looks good as far as speaker selection. I do recommend two subs, as this will smooth out your low end. Triad recommends putting the subs in diagonally opposing corners.

Optionally:

Since your room is narrow, you could alternatively go with InWall Bipole Silver Surrounds for the sides, and possibly the same for the rears. It depends on how close your seating is to the surround speakers.

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As far as room size, you are definitely good to go with the Silver system. Everything looks good as far as speaker selection. I do recommend two subs, as this will smooth out your low end. Triad recommends putting the subs in diagonally opposing corners.

Optionally:

Since your room is narrow, you could alternatively go with InWall Bipole Silver Surrounds for the sides, and possibly the same for the rears. It depends on how close your seating is to the surround speakers.

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Thx dawn.. the seating is 65cm for the back and 68.4cm for the side
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The room is 19 feet deep but you are only 2.5 feet from the back wall? Why so close to the back wall? Any way you can scoot forward a few feet to place yourself closer to 30-40% of room length from the back wall? That would be a much better spot acoustically and also provide some distance from the back surrounds. And you'd also minimize the SPL requirements of the front 3 speakers by being a few feet closer.

It does sound like the IW bipoles may be a better choice... you're close enough to the surrounds that their SPL requirements will be substantially less than the front 3.

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I need advice in selecting an amp for my HT. My room consists of Silver LCRs, Bronze Omnis, and Bronze Surrrounds. I'm getting into separates and am looking at the Outlaw 7700, which is rated at 300 watts at 4 ohms. The Silvers are rated at 150 w max. Would I be better served going with the 7125, rated at 190 into 4 ohms?

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question for everyone. i am going to upgrade my LR setup. I sit 12' from my LCR setup. My rears are over 5' from the MLP. Ceiling is 9'. My front towers are 4' high that the triads would sit on. The rears are also 4' high that the triads would sit on.

I am going to use top hats from Triad. I can't do any inceiling.

Can I get away from bronzes for this setup? The silvers will stick over the sides of the speakers. they are too wide.

My Speakers I use now are Triangle Esprits and Comete for rears.

I'll be powering the triads with Marantz I would assume.

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12' away with a 9' ceiling, if you like to play at loud volumes you'll probably appreciate the greater power of the Silver versions with 3" drivers instead of 2".

Also be aware the Dolby-enabled up firing speakers do NOT have to literally sit on top of the tower speakers. They can be on a shelf or on a separate stand within a few feet of the speakers to which they are "paired" in the processor. If you can accommodate it, this will not only alleviate the issue with the Silvers being too wide to sit on top, but you can also adjust the positioning of the speakers to increase the overhead effect by aiming the primary bounce point at a more optimal spot on the ceiling.

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Jim you don't want to just put the pair on top of the speaker, you should have them worked into a location that works in your room and acoustical design. I know when Dennis or Shawn do an atmos design with reflected, they hide them just the same as other speakers so you don't see them, but they are the correct kind of speaker, and in the correct placement to work well. Dennis did some testing with this specifically, it's tricky to do correctly, there is a lot of physics fighting you the entire way. Just randomly locating them on top of something isn't the best idea, the location and set up should be carefully considered as for best performance, and that usually means working them into the room/acoustical design.

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hey guys. thats for the reply. this is for my living room setup. its the everyday room. i was mostly buying them to play around a bit. i never thought about putting them somewhere else for positioning. i figured i was just bouncing them off the ceiling. i never thought about all this. the rom is hard cause it doesn't have a lot of areas to hind or reposition stuff. i'll post some pics and maybe you guys can help me out. i'll do that tonight.

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I need advice in selecting an amp for my HT. My room consists of Silver LCRs, Bronze Omnis, and Bronze Surrrounds. I'm getting into separates and am looking at the Outlaw 7700, which is rated at 300 watts at 4 ohms. The Silvers are rated at 150 w max. Would I be better served going with the 7125, rated at 190 into 4 ohms?

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I would look at the ATI 2007...................built like a tank, one of the best SNR amps on the market. Would double watts needed for the Silvers which is PERFECT!!!!

Have owned many different amps including a $20,000 Krell Evo 403......................ATI amps are by far best amp for the money and sound EXACTLY the same as Halos, Krells I've owned.
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I need advice in selecting an amp for my HT. My room consists of Silver LCRs, Bronze Omnis, and Bronze Surrrounds. I'm getting into separates and am looking at the Outlaw 7700, which is rated at 300 watts at 4 ohms. The Silvers are rated at 150 w max. Would I be better served going with the 7125, rated at 190 into 4 ohms?

Thanks,

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Another amp to consider is the D-Sonic: http://www.d-sonic.net/

Massive power, reasonable price, excellent sound quality...

Having more power than the speakers are rated for is not a problem as long as you exercise judicious use of the Master Volume Control.

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Thanks for the ati and d-sonic suggestions. I'll look at both.

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Hi. I'd like to get some recommendations and thoughts on selecting Atmos ceiling speakers. I have a 19 x 13 x 9 room with Silver Surrounds on the side, and Gold OMNI SEs in the back.


I'm planning to build down from the ceiling by 8"-10" to add the Atmos speakers and also add some absorption and diffusion. This gives me some freedom in speaker installation. I was thinking to either use Inceiling Gold/8 OMNI SEs (matching the rears) or OnWall Silver Surrounds in bipolar configuration (matching the sides) for Atmos. I could point the speakers toward the primary seating position and even angle the Silver Surrounds so they don't point straight down.


Any thoughts on which way to go? Or whether to go with something else entirely? I really like the Gold OMNIs, but the Silver Surrounds have the wider dispersion going for them. The top rears will be at about 125 degrees to the first row, just barely within the Dolby placement recommendations. But they will be almost exactly above the second row. I realize that Atmos will probably not work very well for the second row no matter what I do. But the wider dispersion of the bipoles might work better.


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Hi. I'd like to get some recommendations and thoughts on selecting Atmos ceiling speakers. I have a 19 x 13 x 9 room with Silver Surrounds on the side, and Gold OMNI SEs in the back.


I'm planning to build down from the ceiling by 8"-10" to add the Atmos speakers and also add some absorption and diffusion. This gives me some freedom in speaker installation. I was thinking to either use Inceiling Gold/8 OMNI SEs (matching the rears) or OnWall Silver Surrounds in bipolar configuration (matching the sides) for Atmos. I could point the speakers toward the primary seating position and even angle the Silver Surrounds so they don't point straight down.


Any thoughts on which way to go? Or whether to go with something else entirely? I really like the Gold OMNIs, but the Silver Surrounds have the wider dispersion going for them. The top rears will be at about 125 degrees to the first row, just barely within the Dolby placement recommendations. But they will be almost exactly above the second row. I realize that Atmos will probably not work very well for the second row no matter what I do. But the wider dispersion of the bipoles might work better.


Thanks for the input.
It would be good to share:

How many rows of seating? How many seats per row?

What is your budget?

Are your existing on wall surrounds the dipolar ones (as almost all are)?

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It would be good to share:

How many rows of seating? How many seats per row?

What is your budget?

Are your existing on wall surrounds the dipolar ones (as almost all are)?
I have 2 rows of seating. Front row has 4 seats. Rear row is a sofa very close to the wall that can seat 3 (comfortably) to 4 (a bit tight but doable). The rear row is only used a few times a year as overflow seating. 95% of the time, there are only 2 people in the room, using the front center seats. So I want to optimize for those seats, without totally neglecting the others.


The wall surrounds are dipoles. I went with dipoles (back around 2008), because they are only about 2 feet from the closest seat. I'm open to replacing them with bipoles. I believe they are too old to be converted to bipoles. Fronts are Gold Monitors.


Budget is around $3K-$4K for the speakers, not including amplification (Parasound Halo) and processor (probably Anthem AVM 60 or Marantz AV8802A).
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