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You could put it there. It might not give you the intended outcome.
I would use them as in-ceiling surrounds.
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I would use them as in-ceiling surrounds.
Would they be okay as in-ceiling surrounds? Would I have to buy any extra installation materials since they would go in-ceiling instead of in-wall?
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No extra installation materials, from what I can see, are needed -- assuming you have good solid sheet rock and can cut the whole at the right size, etc. But you are right: That is NOT how these are designed to be installed, and I would be a little nervous. I guess the better answer is: Triad doesn't make or offer anything extra or special to ceiling mount these in WALL speakers so you have to rely on the tabs designed for wall mounting.

But regarding sound quality:

They are sub optimal for in ceiling placement. The angled speakers from Triad are the ones you want most (which have been recommended above), for high end sound -- then, far down the list, those are followed by the circular co-axial ones (which is what I am using for Atmos). Either of these are designed for dispersion that makes sense in a ceiling location.

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No extra installation materials, from what I can see, are needed -- assuming you have good solid sheet rock and can cut the whole at the right size, etc. But you are right: That is NOT how these are designed to be installed, and I would be a little nervous. I guess the better answer is: Triad doesn't make or offer anything extra or special to ceiling mount these in WALL speakers so you have to rely on the tabs designed for wall mounting.

But regarding sound quality:

They are sub optimal for in ceiling placement. The angled speakers from Triad are the ones you want most (which have been recommended above), for high end sound -- then, far down the list, those are followed by the circular co-axial ones (which is what I am using for Atmos). Either of these are designed for dispersion that makes sense in a ceiling location.
Yep. While Triad does not make a Gold, the Silver that I linked to would make excellent surround speakers. If we can help you, give us a call.

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No extra installation materials, from what I can see, are needed -- assuming you have good solid sheet rock and can cut the whole at the right size, etc. But you are right: That is NOT how these are designed to be installed, and I would be a little nervous. I guess the better answer is: Triad doesn't make or offer anything extra or special to ceiling mount these in WALL speakers so you have to rely on the tabs designed for wall mounting.

But regarding sound quality:

They are sub optimal for in ceiling placement. The angled speakers from Triad are the ones you want most (which have been recommended above), for high end sound -- then, far down the list, those are followed by the circular co-axial ones (which is what I am using for Atmos). Either of these are designed for dispersion that makes sense in a ceiling location.
Yep. While Triad does not make a Gold, the Silver that I linked to would make excellent surround speakers.

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Hi All. Is there a place in which I can find a general price list?

Specifically, I am looking for in-ceiling LCR speakers and wondering the basic price. I am comparing against the B&W CCM 7.4. Would anyone have any general comparisons between the two?

I have been looking for the frame options but can't find any good pics. Finally, any good images of the frames available? The ones immediately shown online aren't very attractive. Thanks.
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They look much better in person. See below:
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They look much better in person. See below:
Thank you!

Frameless is the immediate winner for me.

I'd like for the speakers to be invisible. There is no reason why anyone need to look at the ceiling!
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Thank you!

Frameless is the immediate winner for me.

I'd like for the speakers to be invisible. There is no reason why anyone need to look at the ceiling!
Then get them custom painted to match your ceiling.

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Would they be okay as in-ceiling surrounds? Would I have to buy any extra installation materials since they would go in-ceiling instead of in-wall?
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No extra installation materials, from what I can see, are needed -- assuming you have good solid sheet rock and can cut the whole at the right size, etc. But you are right: That is NOT how these are designed to be installed, and I would be a little nervous. I guess the better answer is: Triad doesn't make or offer anything extra or special to ceiling mount these in WALL speakers so you have to rely on the tabs designed for wall mounting.

But regarding sound quality:

They are sub optimal for in ceiling placement. The angled speakers from Triad are the ones you want most (which have been recommended above), for high end sound -- then, far down the list, those are followed by the circular co-axial ones (which is what I am using for Atmos). Either of these are designed for dispersion that makes sense in a ceiling location.
Triad's InCeiling products do not mount differently than the InWall products so no worries there -- and they're both sealed so insulated similarly -- the question is just whether the dispersion and if angled baffle is correct for the application.
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Triad's InCeiling products do not mount differently than the InWall products so no worries there -- and they're both sealed so insulated similarly -- the question is just whether the dispersion and if angled baffle is correct for the application.
Thank you and everyone for their insight and help!
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Can the Triad Bronze Powersub amplifier be used to power subwoofers from different companies?

I have a SpeakerCraft outdoor underground subwoofer that I need an amp for. Will Triads work? Any other suggestions?
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Probably work okay but you should match the specs of the sub and amp. There are several geneartions of Speakercraft subs and several different iterations of Triad sub amps. Personally unless budget dictates itherwise, I'd probably get a professional Crown amp for such a sub. Much more bang for buck.

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Can the Triad Bronze Powersub amplifier be used to power subwoofers from different companies?

I have a SpeakerCraft outdoor underground subwoofer that I need an amp for. Will Triads work? Any other suggestions?
Yes it would power the sub, but it has been set up to match the specs of the Bronze sub driver.

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I'm still trying to figure out which in-walls I want for my living room which will be for music and movies. How do the Silver/4 Monitors compare to the Gold/4 Omni SE for 2 channel music and home theater uses? Will one work better than the other horizontally mounted as a center channel?
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I'm still trying to figure out which in-walls I want for my living room which will be for music and movies. How do the Silver/4 Monitors compare to the Gold/4 Omni SE for 2 channel music and home theater uses? Will one work better than the other horizontally mounted as a center channel?
Best if you can keep either of them vertical. Does the shorter height of the Silver (11-15/16") allow you to do so? If it does, then that is the route i would go.

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I don't think vertical is an option for either one. The bottom edge is about 7' above the floor.

How does the sound compare?
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I don't think vertical is an option for either one. The bottom edge is about 7' above the floor.

How does the sound compare?
Horizontal dispersion will not be as good with speaker mounted horizontally, but sound quality would go to the Gold.

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If the sound quality of the Gold/4 Omni SE is better, why do the Silver/4 Monitors cost over twice as much?

Is it better to mount vertically despite how high they are off the floor? Should the Gold Omni SE be installed inverted so the tweeter is lower?
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If the sound quality of the Gold/4 Omni SE is better, why do the Silver/4 Monitors cost over twice as much?

Is it better to mount vertically despite how high they are off the floor? Should the Gold Omni SE be installed inverted so the tweeter is lower?
Sorry, I got in a hurry and looked at the wrong speaker. I was comparing the Silver/4 Omni SE to the Gold/4 Omni SE. If you look at my post above I listed the height of the Silver as 11-15/16". That is Silver Omni SE height. The height of the Silver/4 Monitor is 19". The Silver Monitor is a much better speaker. It uses the Scan Speak driver and a better tweeter. Better power handling, higher SPL, higher sensitivity and better sound quality, while doing so. Sorry for the confusion.

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AFAIK the Gold Omni SE uses the same tweeter as the Gold Monitor (and maybe the Silver Monitor) but it is the Scan Speak driver in the Monitor series that is upgraded over the Omni SE
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I've got a new suite of Triad speakers. Silver LCR and Bronze satellites. The cones all look like they are spattered with brown paint or dirt; see the photo of a new-in-box Bronze satellite cone. Is this normal?
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I've got a new suite of Triad speakers. Silver LCR and Bronze satellites. The cones all look like they are spattered with brown paint or dirt; see the photo of a new-in-box Bronze satellite cone. Is this normal?
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I've got a new suite of Triad speakers. Silver LCR and Bronze satellites. The cones all look like they are spattered with brown paint or dirt; see the photo of a new-in-box Bronze satellite cone. Is this normal?
Yes. That is the fibers strengthening the cone.
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Brand new? Send 'em back and say that's unacceptable. They'll make it right.
The next pair will be exactly the same. They are not defective.

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The next pair will be exactly the same. They are not defective.
Good to know. The cone material looks a little raw n' funky.

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I recently acquired a pair of triad inceiling silver/6 mini monitors and inwall silver/4 surrounds for a new family room 5.1 HT setup. I definitely need some help. The new family room will be around 12 x 16 with a 9 foot ceiling. The couch will be set along the 16 foot wall.
  1. Will the mini monitors be okay as fronts in this setup?
  2. I need a center channel. Is there any benefit to getting a silver monitor for the center channel for clearer voices vs a third mini monitor ? I have some mild hearing loss and speech discrimination can sometimes be an issue.
  3. I can only place the surround speakers in wall just below the ceiling or in the ceiling. Which position would be better?
  4. Is there any benefit to installing a 7.1 system vs 5.1 in this smaller space?
  5. I have heard of using the mini monitors as surrounds. If so how would you orient the angled baffle?

Thanks for any insight you can provide!
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For those of you going to CEDIA don't forget to visit the Triad booth. The company will be showing a number of *very* exciting and unique new products.
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Welcome to AVS! Please don't take this the wrong way, but here are some opinions about your plans. This is much less about Triad and more about the general approach but luckily Triad is great stuff and when matched properly with a situation and used with a good plan, they are EXCELLENT.

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I recently acquired a pair of triad inceiling silver/6 mini monitors and inwall silver/4 surrounds for a new family room 5.1 HT setup. I definitely need some help. The new family room will be around 12 x 16 with a 9 foot ceiling. The couch will be set along the 16 foot wall.
I realize that sometimes the couch must be along the wall, but this will compromise dialog intelligibility, accurate bass response and make the surround effect much less impactful and clear.

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Yes they will be. You are approaching the limit of their capabilities for reference listening at that distance. You can compensate for this a bit by crossing over to the sub at 100 or even 120hz instead of the usual 80hz.

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[*]I need a center channel. Is there any benefit to getting a silver monitor for the center channel for clearer voices vs a third mini monitor ? I have some mild hearing loss and speech discrimination can sometimes be an issue.
I would choose an identical center to what you have for the left and right. Dialog intelligibility will be increased by brining the couch off the back wall, and by adding some acoustic treatments at the first reflection points (if you haven't already). If these words don't mean anything to you, I will recommend this link:

http://www.gikacoustics.com/early-reflection-points/

There are many different opinions about what is best for setting up a room. I can tell you from first hand experience, the older I get, the more important it is for me to control the room well in order to hear into the recording well.

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[*]I can only place the surround speakers in wall just below the ceiling or in the ceiling. Which position would be better?
I would vote for the wall.

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[*]Is there any benefit to installing a 7.1 system vs 5.1 in this smaller space?
No, since you are sitting on the back wall, those surround back speakers would be about 1" from your head. Don't do it.

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The regular mini monitors don't have angled baffles. If you mean the 'in ceiling' versions then you would place them in the ceiling, facing where you sit. This is not a bad idea at all.

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Thanks for the advice! Appreciate your expertise. Too many people take feedback as criticism these days.

Looks like I have some reading to do on reflection points. Then have to find some acoustic treatments that the wife will approve of.
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