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A bit over budget, but I love this amp
http://www.audioadvisor.com/Parasound-Halo-A21-Two-Channel-Amplifier/productinfo/PAHA21/#.U20frMZOQYU

Or
The XPAX2
http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/xpa-2-gen-2

Can also look at the XPRX2
http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/xpr2
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The Parasound Halo A21 is an excellent amp, but it's probably over kill for speakers like the SCSTs. They just don't require that much power, even though they can handle it.

And, in my honest opinion, the A21 is over priced. It's a well known and popular big amp, which may drive up the retail price. There are other products, such as the AVAs, ATIs, or others, that are a better value.

For what it's worth, I've heard (several years ago) the top of the line AVA solid state amp (about 250 wpc at about $2500) directly compared with a highly regarded "premium" amp, a ModWright KWA 150 amp (150 wpc at about $7500). While driving a variety of larger Salk speakers in a large home theater room, I could not tell the difference between them.
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How do the ATI 1802 or 2002 compare in price?
Classic Audio Parts has a B-stock 1802 at under $1,200. A'gon has an 1803 for a few hundred more. However, I believe the 2000 series is a step up in more than just power so I'm more interested in the 2002 and I haven't been able to find a price on that one. There are no dealers in my area.
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B-stock ATI amps are available at Classic Audio Parts.
http://www.classicaudioparts.com/index.php/amplifiers.html
Thanks. See above. biggrin.gif Wow that didn't take long. I had 3 amps on my short list (so far)--AVA 330, ATI 2002 and Parasound A21--and you guys hit all three in just a few posts. I guess that means I'm looking in the right place. After taking measurements I just can't swing an amp the size of the XPA2 or the the XPR.
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The Parasound Halo A21 is an excellent amp, but it's probably over kill for speakers like the SCSTs. They just don't require that much power, even though they can handle it. And, in my honest opinion, the A21 is over priced. It's a well known and popular big amp, which may drive up the retail price. There are other products, such as the AVAs, ATIs, or others, that are a better value.
After researching quite a bit and doing some soul searching I have come to the same conclusion. Despite the great looks, build quality and service--emails are answered by none other than Parasound president Richard Schram--the A21 is not just too large, it's also overkill power-wise, and at at ~$2,400 (new) it's hard to justify the expense. It sure is a pretty amp though...

The ATI is made in the USA, has the option of adding more channels in the future, has a 12v trigger, is small enough for my shelf and by all accounts is well built and a great performer, so this is the amp to beat for the time being. Thanks for the input thus far guys. I appreciate it.

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The ATI is made in the USA, has the option of adding more channels in the future, has a 12v trigger, is small enough for my shelf and by all accounts is well built and a great performer, so this is the amp to beat for the time being. Thanks for the input thus far guys. I appreciate it.

Sound minds think alike wink.gif. I don't think you can go wrong with an ATI amp.

Just don't come back here a year from now saying you now want to buy a tube amp biggrin.gif.
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Just don't come back here a year from now saying you now want to buy a tube amp biggrin.gif.
I am a movie guy converted to good audio, so tube amps are as foreign to me as...well, vacuum tubes. I'd love to have a dedicated 2 channel system with some SS8s and an AVA tube amp some day, but I'm not anywhere near that at the moment. Thanks again.

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Do yourself a favor and check out the Emotiva amps.
They cannot be beat for the money plus you get a 30 day audition period.
The XPA-2 would fill the bill for you and be well under your budget.

 

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Repete - I would definitely go ATI - soft start and a lot of other features that you find on amps costing more (because ATI makes them and they get re-badged). Given your tenure on the forum I am sure you know that Emotiva offers good amps and very good prices. Personally some day I plan to buy an ATI or similar amp. Still kicking myself for not jumping on a refurb offer they had a few months ago. Enjoy - nothing like a new a/v toy - what a great hobby and/or obsession smile.gif
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It's been about a year since I've bought any equipment and upgraditis is setting in. I have just about everything I want except an amp. I have a 5.2 system but I think I'd be fine with just a 2 channel amp for my supercharged SongTowers (88 dB, 4 ohm). Budget is ~$1,500, room is ~3,000 square feet open at one end, about 40% music and the rest TV/movies. Any high value 2 channel solid state amps out there that you guys would suggest?

I also recommend Parasound. Don't forget their Classic line (I love my 5250 Classic). Here's the 2 channel version;

http://www.audioadvisor.com/Parasound-2250v2-250-Watt-Stereo-Amplifier/productinfo/PAC2250V2/#.U206_9q9KSM

If you don't need that much power, then the 2125 might fit the bill and save you some bucks;

http://www.audioadvisor.com/Parasound-2125-125-Watt-THX-Ultra2-Two-Channel-Amplifier/productinfo/PAC2125/#.U207_tq9KSM
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Thanks for all the recommendations guys! I decided to go with the ATI 2002.
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Hi all. My HT2-TLs are finished and on their way! Can't wait! They're in curly maple, died to more of a walnut color. Pictures from Jim below.

 

Question; I'm curious what people are generally using for amplifiers with their Salks. Anyone using a separate preamp & poweramp setup? I currently have an Accuphase C-200 preamp that I love, but need a good poweramp to go with it now (have been using powered speakers up until now). Would like to find a matching Accuphase P-300 to go with it, but they don't come up for sale very often. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi all. My HT2-TLs are finished and on their way! Can't wait! They're in curly maple, died to more of a walnut color. Pictures from Jim below.

Question; I'm curious what people are generally using for amplifiers with their Salks. Anyone using a separate preamp & poweramp setup? I currently have an Accuphase C-200 preamp that I love, but need a good poweramp to go with it now (have been using powered speakers up until now). Would like to find a matching Accuphase P-300 to go with it, but they don't come up for sale very often.

Congratulations on some great speakers! I've heard them enough to predict you'll love them. You probably already know that Jim Salk suggests 100 to 250 wpc for them. They aren't really hard speakers to drive, but they can easily handle high power and I think they benefit from it.

At audio shows, Jim uses high powered amps from Audio by Van Alstine. If you want a new amp, I think either the Synergy 300 or Synergy 450 would be good choices.

ATI also make excellent amps.

I just looked on audiogon, and saw a used AVA Synergy 240. I wouldn't rule that out as too small, Dennis Murphy, Salk's main crossover designer, uses an older AVA amp with similar power in his home.
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Question; I'm curious what people are generally using for amplifiers with their Salks. Anyone using a separate preamp & poweramp setup? I currently have an Accuphase C-200 preamp that I love, but need a good poweramp to go with it now (have been using powered speakers up until now). Would like to find a matching Accuphase P-300 to go with it, but they don't come up for sale very often. ...

I personally like Parasound. My Parasound Classic 5250 (250wpc) did very well with my HT2-TLs I use to own. smile.gif

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Wondering how a speaker with the RAAL, Accuton and the two active woofers from the Exotica III would perform against the SS8 and the Exotica III. The mids and highs from the RAAL and Accuton seem to be top notch where the low from the two 8" woofers seems ideal for low end. Just thinkin'
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Wondering how a speaker with the RAAL, Accuton and the two active woofers from the Exotica III would perform against the SS8 and the Exotica III. The mids and highs from the RAAL and Accuton seem to be top notch where the low from the two 8" woofers seems ideal for low end. Just thinkin'

I'm sure they would sound great. But you would lose a good bit of sensitivity compared with the Exotica, and high sensitivity is what motivated this project originally.
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Hi all. My HT2-TLs are finished and on their way! Can't wait! They're in curly maple, died to more of a walnut color. Pictures from Jim below.

Question; I'm curious what people are generally using for amplifiers with their Salks. Anyone using a separate preamp & poweramp setup? I currently have an Accuphase C-200 preamp that I love, but need a good poweramp to go with it now (have been using powered speakers up until now). Would like to find a matching Accuphase P-300 to go with it, but they don't come up for sale very often. 



I'm a new Salk owner, but I can't say enough about how well my Butler Audio 5150 sounds paired with them. Butler makes 2, 3, 5 channel amps. They are Solid State, but with tubes on the output section to add just a touch of harmonic warmth. Total control of the woofers, but with a touch of tubes... 100% US built also...

Highly recommended, but hard to find used.
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Unfortunately I am selling my Salk SongTower RT's and SongCenter RT. Please see the link below for more information, and feel free to PM me if interested. Thank you.

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Unfortunately I am selling my Salk SongTower RT's and SongCenter RT. Please see the link below for more information, and feel free to PM me if interested. Thank you.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=126552.new#new

Sorry you have to sell your Salks....you're the reason I bought mine and I have loved them ever since.
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Unfortunately I am selling my Salk SongTower RT's and SongCenter RT. Please see the link below for more information, and feel free to PM me if interested. Thank you.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=126552.new#new

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Unfortunately I am selling my Salk SongTower RT's and SongCenter RT. Please see the link below for more information, and feel free to PM me if interested. Thank you.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=126552.new#new


That's too bad.

I enjoyed reading all your posts on your journey. I really enjoyed reading about the GTG you had several years ago where your wife posted a summary of her listening experience.

Haven't kept up with you lately but I hope your wife will be OK.

Good luck and all the best!

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That's too bad.

I enjoyed reading all your posts on your journey. I really enjoyed reading about the GTG you had several years ago where your wife posted a summary of her listening experience.

Haven't kept up with you lately but I hope your wife will be OK.

Good luck and all the best!

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That's too bad.

I enjoyed reading all your posts on your journey. I really enjoyed reading about the GTG you had several years ago where your wife posted a summary of her listening experience.

Haven't kept up with you lately but I hope your wife will be OK.

Good luck and all the best!
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Sorry you have to sell your Salks....you're the reason I bought mine and I have loved them ever since.

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That's too bad.

I enjoyed reading all your posts on your journey. I really enjoyed reading about the GTG you had several years ago where your wife posted a summary of her listening experience.

Haven't kept up with you lately but I hope your wife will be OK.

Good luck and all the best!
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Nuance my man, sorry to see you go. Good luck with the sale. Those are some beautiful speakers.

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Unfortunately I am selling my Salk SongTower RT's and SongCenter RT. Please see the link below for more information, and feel free to PM me if interested. Thank you.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=126552.new#new


Sorry to hear this, but understand completely.

A big thank you for providing the impetus for me to consider the Salk brand when I was searching for speakers, and ultimately in joining the Salk family. Here's hoping you'll have chance to jump back in the audio arena sometime in the near future.

Best of luck to you and your family.

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http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=126552.new#new

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I appreciate the kind words guys - thank you. It pains me to have to sell, but life throws curve balls sometimes, and what matters is how we react to them. Salk is still the best value in the industry IMO, and if Jim is still doing his thing when I'm in a position to pursue this hobby again, he'll be the first person I call.

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So I'm a new owner of a pair of used Soundscape 8's. Figured now that I have had them a few weeks I'd post a bit of a review. In the past few years I've owned NHT ST4's (had them for quite a while after having kids and not doing much with my system for a decade). First speakers I bought new were some Golden Ear Triton 2's, supersat 60 center, and Aon 2's for rears. They were OK. I won't get into those too much but they didn't work out for me long term.

Went back to Klipsch after getting a killer deal on some Palladium P37's, 27c, and THX rears (still have the rears). The Palladiums are really nice speakers. Nice through the midrange in particular, no real horn honkiness, dynamic as all get-out. They don't go real deep, and where I did begin to have issues was above 90db's I felt they did get too forward in the treble. Some might call it bright, but really what would happen to me was I would just hear the cymbals on a drum kit come way forward and overpower other instruments. I listen to Rock and Blues primarily and movies (80/20 music though). Was torn on selling them, but took very little loss so I sold them. I have a great Butler 5150 amp, but at times liked an older Harman Kardon with my Palladiums as it was even more laid back (and the butler isn't real forward..)

Over a year prior to buying them I had had a chance to meet Jim and the team at Salk. I had heard the soundscape 8's and really liked them. Wasn't sure on the dynamics as I had only heard them in the warehouse, but no doubt a nice sounding speaker. I love dynamics though. Well, lucky enough for me a used pair was local. I had them over for a demo in my basement, and they never left. I listend to a lot of speakers over the past few months from Dyn to Vandersteen, Paradigms, even the klipsch RF7II's. Wilsons etc.

For almost a month now I've just been floored with how much I like these Soundscape 8's. They do a tremendous job with the midrange. Guitars and Drums sound absolutely lifelike. Vocals are UNREAL and the imaging is just outstanding. Both from left to right and from back to front, everything is where it should be (and I'm not an imaging freak, but now that I have speakers that can do it - it's fun)

I was a bit concerned about dynamics, but these speakers have 90% of the Klipsch Dynamics, but are a bit smoother up top. Just a natural and lifelike speaker with outstanding dynamics. I also really like how they pair with the Butler Audio mofset/tube hybrid amp. These speakers can also rock-out if need be. What's funny is while I tend to listen loud, I don't listen as loud on these as the sound is just so incredible. I had listened to the Wilson Watt Puppy's recently (a 3 year old used pair). I would have a hard time justifying those over these. (both are great). Furthermore, I had a chance to go up to see Jim and Mary at Salk again to discuss center channels and they are good people that really appear to care about their customers. Treated me very fairly on my center channel order that will need a matched veneer etc. My only wish is they had 3x the staff so my impatient butt could have that center channel even sooner. But, quality takes time.

I like running them with a bit of stuffing in the midrange but with the open baffle in the back. Seems to open them up even just a bit more. The only downside is I am again trying some tweaks to my system as I know these speakers will show the benefits. About to try an Oppo 105 directly into my amp with the .1... sent to an SVS ASEQ1 to EQ my subs. The Soundscapes don't need subs at all, but I do cross mine over at 40hz and let my subs add just a bit on the low end. Many times I turn the subs off and the difference is almost nothing.

Once my center is done I'll be having mine re-finished and will post pictures then. That said, these speakers are just an incredible value new, let alone with a slightly used discount.

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