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An educated consumer is the one who won't let himself get scammed!!!

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Elite Audio EA-506 msrp$3999 Not worth $50 MTS-3200 Divinci D-6 D7
The speakers sold by the speakermen are of exceptionally poor quality,
typically obtained for less than $50 from a local distributor.

Watch this clip http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZNn_ovqFSoY

The speakers themselves have been reported as potentially damaging to any amplifier they are connected to.
The risk of damage stems from an impedence curve that in some cases may drop
below 2 ohms, which may overheat, short out, or permanently damage an
amplifier not designed to handle such loads.

Do a search for " white van speakers " you'll see how this scam goes
Guy in suv or van drives up to you has these $3000 speakers , extras ??
You can have em for a deal you can't pass up .
He will try to get you to give him $50 or more up to $1500.00 for these $40 china speakers.



Look out for the guy in the suv with the **** and bull story about
the extra home theater system he's got to unload.

He will tell you it's worth something crazy like 2000 or 3000 dollars
show all kinds of crap like receipts , invoices , magazines , ads sheets, etc.

He'll even point you to the company website to prove they are worth the 3 grand. Don't be fooled !

So when he lowers his price to $100.00 you'll think you got the deal of a lifetime. $3000 speakers for $ 100 bucks ,
no you got a crap set of $40 speakers and paid $100 or more for them.

Just do a search for "white van speakers" and you'll see that not only are
they worth only 40 bucks shipped from china , they may also be UNSAFE and damage your system.

Watch out for the speaker guys in suv's or pickup trucks and vans
selling home theater equipment.

Many of the sales take place in the parking lots of Best Buy, Home Depot, Circuit City , Banks ,
Carwashes , Gas Stations , Construction sites , etc
heck they will even flag you down while you are driving down the road.

Do not fall for the white van speaker scam , they are looking to rip you off !

If you see them , drop a dime , CALL A COP , let's get these scumbags of our streets.
Get your phone out , Take a PICTURE , get the PLATE number and
CALL the Local POLICE !!

Law enforcement WILL issue citations, as rarely do the speakerguys obtain the proper permits and license to sell "out of a vehicle".

In Pennsylvania, the act of selling white van speakers is punishable by up to five years in prison and up to a fine of $10,000 .

Here's one of many reviews I found ...


I've been involved in the audio industry for over 25 years, and have to say that these speakers have the worst components I've ever seen. As someone who has built and repaired speakers, and written published audio reviews well before the Internet came around, I am appalled at the chutzpah shown by manufacturers and sellers of this junk.

The 'reviews' and 'guides' that speak positively of these things have undoubtedly been posted by those who stand to profit from the sale of these inferior items. Take the Kirsch, Theatre Research, Genesis Media Labs (Genesis PHYSICS was a good brand in the 1980's) and DiVinci speakers, with their glossy ads and websites full of meaningless techno-babble and claims of outrageous 'retail' prices - not that any reputable retailer would carry these dogs.

There are good reasons why they are mostly sold out of the back of white vans, and here, where comparison to good equipment is impossible. Most recently peddlers of the Genesis Media Lab and DiVinci's have trumpeted an ad taken out by the company, and purchase of a booth at an electronics show as evidence that this is an established brand-when you have the kind of profit margins based upon $ 50 worth of components in a "$ 3600" package, I suppose you can afford a booth or an ad.

Imagine if a peddler of fake Rolexes', or 'Rolex quality' watches posted a website claiming that their junk that cost maybe $ 50 to manufacture is worth thousands - that is basically the case we have here.

I've had the opportunity to take apart a number of these speakers, and all I can say is if you read Wikipedia and other search results you obtain from Googling the term "White Van Speakers' or 'White Van Scam' the conclusion that the components are of 'exceptionally poor quality' is well founded.

For example, as I write this, there are at least 3 pairs of the "K803 Prodigy" speakers being posted on E Bay for $ 1500 or more, yet superior drivers (the speaker drivers -woofers, tweeters, midranges and the like) can be had for $ 15 or less per driver. The internal electronics such as the crossovers, are by far, the absolute worst I've ever seen in nearly 3 decades as a hobbyist.

The DiVinci hucksters have the nerve to advertise their 'high energy crossover', which is a $2 piece of junk - a good crossover is complex, not inexpensive, and is critical to sound quality. Even the glossy cabinets are made of cheap, lightweight wood, whose resonances distort the already awful sound, and lack the internal bracing you will find on quality speakers.

The drivers on the Kirsch and DiVinci "$ 3000 pair" (K803- DiVinci 1740-Dahlton- same speaker) are pretty much the same as on another set of these towers sold under an earlier "White Van Scam" name that a friend bought for $ 59 in a local pawn shop- one set of DiVinci's' is listed for $ 2500 buy it now - that is on line piracy.

Just for fun, we compared these Kirsch 803 beasts' to a pair of Infinty SM-255's bought off of E Bay for $ 300, using both analogue and digital sources, receivers and high end separate electronics. A sound level meter was used to ensure that the listening occured at the same volume level.

One of the girlfriends said it best : the Kirsch sounded like a clock radio compared to the Infinity's and one thought that a clock radio might sound better. Technical measurements confirmed what our ears told us - a ragged response curve that is the worst I've ever seen, bar none.

Maybe it was unfair - the Infinity's weigh 77 pounds versus 28 for the Klipsch... er Kirsch - but then the Kirsch is a $ 3000 speaker, the Infinities were $ 1000 new ... the weight alone should tell you just what junk the White Van Speakers are. We also compared the Kirsch with a vintage set of Klipsch KG-3.5's which you can get for around $ 200-250 - needless to say they blew the K-803 Prodigy away.

We've also performed listening tests comparing the "$ 2495"- oh please - Kirsch K3 home theatre system to a vintage set of Infinity Qb speakers dating back to the 1980's, which you can buy for $ 150 or so; a Samsung Home Theatre in a box and to Logitech Z-5300 and Klipsch Pro Media 5.1 computer speakers, hooked to a 5.1 receiver via the headphone jack ( a decent option for a small room).

Experienced listeners suggested the best use of the Kirsch's was as a boat anchor or firewood, kids unanimously preferred the other sets and as one eloquently put it - ' the fancy ones stink like poo.' You would be much better off with a used set from Energy, Polk, or another quality speaker company.

I also had the (dis) pleasure of listening to a set of the "$ 3600" DiVinci's often posted here - even the best electronics cannot make a silk purse out of these sow's ears. We compared the DiVinci 607 model to a Polk RM-6800 5.1 home theater set up that can be had for $ 400 or less- $3200 less than theDiVinci's so called retail value.

It was no contest-- as my 12 year old put it 'where did all the instruments go' - there was no category- NONE- imaging, detail, tightness of bass- you name it- where the DiVinci's were remotely competitive.

Not only are the speakers unspeakably bad, the 'receivers' included with the DiVinci, Theatre Research, Digital Research and other "White Van Brands' lack even basic AV functions such as Dolby and DTS processing, and HDMI and component video outputs -as well as measuring and sounding horribly - try watching "Master and Commander" with one of these pieces of 'bleep'- a used Denon, Yamaha or Onkyo at any price is light years superior.

With profit margins that would make oil companies jealous, I can see where they could now buy ads in magazines - one E Bay posting claims they are an 'established high end speaker' - you would have to be high to consider these anything but the low level junk they are. Scam is not a strong enough term, and these have earned their place on rip-off report.com

White Van Speaker List

Acoustic Response Series 707
Acoustic Image 3311 / 3312
Acoustic Lab Technology
Acoustic Monitor
Acoustic 3312 Studio Monitor
Acoustic Response


Advanced Sound Technologies AST X2 1055

Audiofile 583LR
Audiofile 835LR
Audiofile THX 6.1
Audio Tech

Dahlton KV 1500
Dahlton KV 2500 TI Speakers
Dahlton AV 5.1 THX

DanWave DW-6
DanWave DW-606
DanWave DW-607
DanWave DW-608
Dan Wave DW-1000

http://www.divincisound.com

Divinci Sound
DiVinci Innovative Sound & Bass
Divinci Sound D6 D-6
Divinci Sound DV7010 DV-7010
Divinci Sound DV6030 Dv-6030
Divinci Sound DV505 DV-505
Divinci Sound DA6.1 DA-6.1
Divinci D-52
Divinci DV-606
Divinci DV-607
Divinci DV-608
Divinci DV-1420
Divinci DV-1450
Divinci DV-1412
Divinci DV-1450
Divinci DV- 607
Divinci DV-2150
Divinci DV-2100

Denmark
Denmark Loud Speaker E830LR

Digital Audio DHT 5.1
Digital Audio SL-3810
Digital Audio DA 2000SL / 2000CS
Digital Audio 2000
Digital Audio 2002
Digital Audio 2012 7.1
Digital Audio Professional Speaker Systems SL-3810
Digital Audio Skyline 900-SL
Digital Audio SL-3910 Speakers
Digital Audio 2003 DA 5.1 Pro-Series III
Digital Dogg Audio
Digital Pro Audio
Digital Pro Audio SL-T 2.8
Digital Research 5.1 Pro Series
Digital Research DA 5.1 Pro Series III
Digital Research DR-1000
Digital Research DR-2810
Digital Research DR-1610
Digital Research DR-1611
Dogg Digital

Dynalab

Epiphany Audio speakers

Elite Audio
Elite Audio EA-505
Elite Audio EA-608
Elite Audio EA-1620
Elite Audio EA-7012

Epic Sound 7.1

Fleetwood Audio

Genesis
Genesis Media Labs

Genesis G-6.1 Digital Series
Genesis G-505
Genesis G-506
Genesis G-507
Genesis G-608
Genesis G-609
Genesis G-610
Genesis G-1420
Genesis G-1620
Genesis G-1630
Genesis G-2810
Genesis G-2815
Genesis R-2810
Genesis G-2840
Genesis G-2850
Genesis G-2870
Genesis G-2875
Genesis G-2880
Genesis G-2885
Genesis G-2950
Genesis G-2960
Genesis G-6030
Genesis G-6035
Genesis G-6040
Genesis G-7012

http://www.genesismedialabs.com


Grafdale

Hauffman

Innovative Sound Digital Pro Audio

Kirsch K3
Kirsch K10
Kirsch Prodigy K803

http://www.kirschloudspeakers.com

Linear Phase studio monitors

http://matrixaudioconcepts.com

Matrix Audio Concepts
Matrix MX-1300 MX1300 MX1300S
MX-404
MX-550
MX-6160
MX-2060
MX-605S

Millenium
Millenium MTS-2006p
Millenium MTS-2208
Millenium MTS-2328
Millenium MTS-2300
Millenium MTS-2605
Millenium MTS-3100
Millenium MTS-3200
http://www.mtsspeakers.com

Omni Audio

PSD (2.8)

PTS PT-5500S
PTS (Precision Transducer Systems)
http://www.ptswoofers.com

Palermo VA6.1
Palermo VA 6.1

Paradyme

Pro Audio
Pro Dynamics Pro Platinium Series
Pro Dynamics PD-9600
Proline Acoustic
Protecsound PT-5000 digital surround sound system speakers

Samurai 518

Skyline AD-900SL
Skyline Digital Denmark 800 or 900 "series"

Studio Tech (Pro Poly Series)

Theater Innovations (Ti 5100)
TI-440MR TI~440MR
TI-440R TI~440R
TI-440M TI~440M
TI-5100 TI~5100
TI-5150T TI~5150T
TI~1250 TI-1250
TI~1255 TI-1255
TI~1300 TI-1300
TI~1650 TI-1650
TI~1655 TI-1655
TI~6000SD TI-6000SD
TI~6100 TI-6100
TI~1750 TI-6200
http://www.theater-innovations.com

Theater Logic
http://theaterlogichomecinema.com/
Theater Logic L5ti
Theater Logic L6
Theater Logic L8TI 5.1
Theater Logic T 2400
Theater Logic T 2450

http://www.trtheaterresearch.com

Theater Research TR-501
Theater Research TR-900
Theater Research TR-1120
Theater Research TR-1400
Theater Research TR-1410 Digital Sound Speakers
Theater Research TR-1620
Theater Research TR-2380
Theater Research TR-2810
Theater Research TR-5210 Professional Home Theater
Theater Research TR-5160
Theater Research TR-6000
Theater Research TR-6100 Digital Sound/5.1 Home Cinema
Theater Research TR-8010
Theater Research TR-8810
Theater Research Pro Series III Professional Home

Ultra Digital Labs


Acoustic Response Series 707 Acoustic Image 3311 / 3312 Acoustic Lab Technology Acoustic Monitor Acoustic 3312 Studio Monitor Acoustic Response Advanced Sound Technologies AST X2 1055 Audiofile 583LR Audiofile 835LR Audiofile THX 6.1 Audio Tech Dahlton KV 1500 Dahlton KV 2500 TI Speakers Dahlton AV5.1 THX DanWave DW-6 DanWave DW-606 DanWave DW-607 DanWave DW-608 DW608 Dan Wave DW-1000 http://www.divincisound.com Divinci Sound DiVinci Innovative Sound & Bass Divinci Sound D6 D-6 wii Divinci Sound DV7010 DV-7010 Divinci Sound DV6030 Dv-6030 Divinci Sound DV505 DV-505 Divinci Sound DA6.1DA-6.1 Divinci D-52 Divinci DV-1450 Denmark Denmark Loud Speaker E830LR Digital Audio DHT 5.1 Digital Audio SL-3810 Digital Audio DA 2000SL / 2000CS Digital Audio 2000 Digital Audio 2002 Digital Audio 2012 7.1 Digital Audio Professional Speaker Systems SL-3810 Digital Audio Skyline 900-SL Digital Audio SL-3910 Speakers Digital Audio 2003 DA 5.1 Pro-Series III Digital Dogg Audio Digital Pro Audio Digital Pro Audio SL-T 2.8 Digital Research 5.1 Pro Series Digital Research DA 5.1 Pro Series III Digital Research DR-1000 Digital Research DR-2810 Digital Research DR-1610 Digital Research DR-1611 Dogg Digital Dynalab Epiphany Audio speakers Epic Sound Innovative Sound & Bass Epic-7.1 Elite Audio Elite Audio EA-505 Elite Audio EA-608 Elite Audio EA-1620 Elite Audio EA-7012 Epic Sound 7.1 Fleetwood Audio Genesis Genesis Media Labs Genesis G6.1 Digital Series Genesis G-505 Genesis G-506 Genesis G-507 Genesis G-608 Genesis G-609 Genesis G-610 Genesis G-1420 Genesis G-1620 Genesis G-1630 Genesis G-2815 Genesis G-2840 Genesis G-2850 Genesis G-2870 Genesis G-2875 Genesis G-2880 Genesis G-2885 Genesis G-2950 Genesis G-2960 Genesis G-6030 Genesis G-6035 Genesis G-6040 Genesis G-7012 http://www.genesismedialabs.com Grafdale Hauffman Innovative Sound Digital Pro Audio Kirsch K3 Kirsch K10 Kirsch Prodigy K803 http://www.kirschloudspeakers.com Linear Phase studio monitors http://matrixaudioconcepts.com Matrix Audio Concepts Matrix MX-1300 MX-404 MX-550 MX-6160 MX-2060 MX-605S Millenium Millenium MTS-2006p Millenium MTS-2208 Millenium MTS-2328 Millenium MTS-2300 Millenium MTS-2605 Millenium MTS-3100 http://www.mtsspeakers.com Omni Audio PSD (2.8) PTS PT-5500S PTS (Precision Transducer Systems) http://www.ptswoofers.com Palermo VA6.1 Palermo VA 6.1 Paradyme Pro Audio Pro Dynamics Pro Platinium Series Pro Dynamics PD-9600 Proline Acoustic Protecsound PT-5000 digital surround sound system speakers Samurai 518 Skyline AD-900SL Skyline Digital Denmark 800 or 900 "series" Studio Tech (Pro Poly Series) Theater Innovations (Ti 5100) http://www.theater-innovations.com Theater Innovations TI-6000T Theater Innovations TI~6000T Theater Innovations TI~5100 Theater Innovations Ti-5100 Theater Innovations TI-4000 Theater Innovations TI~4000 Theater Innovations TI~440MR Theater Innovations TI-440MR http://www.theater-innovations.com Theater Logic http://theaterlogichomecinema.com/ Theater Logic L5ti Theater Logic L6 Theater Logic L8TI 5.1 Theater Logic T 2400 Theater Logic T 2450 http://www.trtheaterresearch.com Theater Research TR-501 Theater Research TR-900 Theater Research TR-1120 Theater Research TR-1400 Theater Research TR-1410 Digital Sound Speakers Theater Research TR-2380 Theater Research TR-2810 Theater Research TR-5210 Professional Home Theater Theater Research TR5160 Theater Research TR6000 Theater Research TR-6100 Digital Sound/5.1 Home Cinema Theater Research 8810 Theater Research Pro Series III Professional Home Ultra Digital Labs White Van Speakers Bought speakers out of the back of a van or suv ?We found the guy that's been ripping people off.Call him now and get your money back! Green Yukon Florida Plate # C60 3UR Robert M Sullivan dob June 03 , 1968 Phone 303-618-0975 Acoustic Response Series 707 Acoustic Image 3311 / 3312 Acoustic Lab Technology Acoustic Monitor Acoustic 3312 Studio Monitor Acoustic Response Advanced Sound Technologies AST X2 1055 Audiofile 583LR Audiofile 835LR Audiofile THX 6.1 Audio Tech Dahlton KV 1500 Dahlton KV 2500 TI Speakers Dahlton AV5.1 THX DanWave DW-6 DanWave DW-606 DanWave DW-607 DanWave DW-608 DW608 Dan Wave DW-1000 http://www.divincisound.com Divinci Sound DiVinci Innovative Sound & Bass Divinci Sound D6 D-6 Divinci Sound DV7010 DV-7010 Divinci Sound DV6030 Dv-6030 Divinci Sound DV505 DV-505 Divinci Sound DA6.1DA-6.1 Divinci D-52 Divinci DV-1450 Denmark Denmark Loud Speaker E830LR Digital Audio DHT 5.1 Digital Audio SL-3810 Digital Audio DA 2000SL / 2000CS Digital Audio 2000 Digital Audio 2002 Digital Audio 2012 7.1 Digital Audio Professional Speaker Systems SL-3810 Digital Audio Skyline 900-SL Digital Audio SL-3910 Speakers Digital Audio 2003 DA 5.1 Pro-Series III Digital Dogg Audio Digital Pro Audio Digital Pro Audio SL-T 2.8 Digital Research 5.1 Pro Series Digital Research DA 5.1 Pro Series III Digital Research DR-1000 Digital Research DR-2810 Digital Research DR-1610 Digital Research DR-1611 Dogg Digital Dynalab Epiphany Audio speakers Epic Sound Innovative Sound & Bass Epic-7.1 Elite Audio Elite Audio EA-505 Elite Audio EA-608 Elite Audio EA-1620 Elite Audio EA-7012 Epic Sound 7.1 Fleetwood Audio Genesis Genesis Media Labs Genesis G6.1 Digital Series Genesis G-505 Genesis G-506 Genesis G-507 Genesis G-608 Genesis G-609 Genesis G-610 Genesis G-1420 Genesis G-1620 Genesis G-1630 Genesis G-2815 Genesis G-2840 Genesis G-2850 Genesis G-2870 Genesis G-2875 Genesis G-2880 Genesis G-2885 Genesis G-2950 Genesis G-2960 Genesis G-6030 Genesis G-6035 Genesis G-6040 Genesis G-7012 http://www.genesismedialabs.com Grafdale Hauffman Innovative Sound Digital Pro Audio Kirsch K3 Kirsch K10 Kirsch Prodigy K803 http://www.kirschloudspeakers.com Linear Phase studio monitors http://matrixaudioconcepts.com Matrix Audio Concepts Matrix MX-1300 MX-404 MX-550 MX-6160 MX-2060 MX-605S Millenium Millenium MTS-2006p Millenium MTS-2208 Millenium MTS-2328 Millenium MTS-2300 Millenium MTS-2605 Millenium MTS-3100 http://www.mtsspeakers.com Omni Audio PSD (2.8) PTS PT-5500S PTS (Precision Transducer Systems) http://www.ptswoofers.com Palermo VA6.1 Palermo VA 6.1 Paradyme Pro Audio Pro Dynamics Pro Platinium Series Pro Dynamics PD-9600 Proline Acoustic Protecsound PT-5000 digital surround sound system speakers Samurai 518 Skyline AD-900SL Skyline Digital Denmark 800 or 900 "series" Studio Tech (Pro Poly Series) Theater Innovations (Ti 5100) http://www.theater-innovations.com Theater Innovations TI-6000T Theater Innovations TI~6000T Theater Innovations TI~5100 Theater Innovations Ti-5100 Theater Innovations TI-4000 Theater Innovations TI~4000 Theater Innovations TI~440MR Theater Innovations TI-440MR http://www.theater-innovations.com Theater Logic http://theaterlogichomecinema.com/ Theater Logic L5ti Theater Logic L6 Theater Logic L8TI 5.1 Theater Logic T 2400 Theater Logic T 2450 http://www.trtheaterresearch.com Theater Research TR-501 Theater Research TR-900 Theater Research TR-1120 Theater Research TR-1400 Theater Research TR-1410 Digital Sound Speakers Theater Research TR-2380 Theater Research TR-2810 Theater Research TR-5210 Professional Home Theater Theater Research TR5160 Theater Research TR6000 Theater Research TR-6100 Digital Sound/5.1 Home Cinema Theater Research 8810 Theater Research Pro Series III Professional Home Ultra Digital Labs White Van Speakers


Bought speakers out of the back of a van or suv ?
We found the guy that's been ripping people off.
Call him now and get your money back !
Robert M Sullivan dob June 03 , 1968
Phone

anyone who writes that these things sound fine is either making money off of them,
a scam victim seeking to pawn off his folly on someone else, or they need to have a root canal performed on their ears.

If you see people trying to sell this stuff ,
take some pictures of them , get a plate # ,
Call your local Police and local news (scambusters).


White Van Speakers - Cost less $40.00 shipped to us from china
Yeah the scumbags remove the "made in china " labels from the boxes
If you paid more you bought them out of a White Speaker Van or a New SuV
Roadside guy in Suv Banks GasStations ParkingLots onthe Road
Guy in Van/Suv with $3000 Extras ??

If you see a speaker scammer ,
drop a dime , CALL A COP , let's get these scumbags of our streets.
Get your phone out , Take a PICTURE , get the PLATE number and
CALL the Local POLICE !!


Please Copy now, repost somewhere and share this info with others.
The scammers don't want anyone to know about their scam .


Do a good deed and save someone from getting scammed
guy driving around selling $3000 extras?
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There arre two pairs of such speakers at a local pawn shop. I guess they arent worth the treble!

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the crooks are getting lazier. I see alot of these brands on ebay.
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the crooks are getting lazier. I see alot of these brands on ebay.

I think they are getting smarter. Its much easier to target millions of people online, versus a face to face deal on the street.

Much more is to be gained online, versus a face to face transaction. Many customers use price point as a basis of quality.

Its funny how it works. We have a restaurant and food court at the hotel I work in at Disney. You can get an all you can eat pasta bar for $8.99...which contains the components for a chicken alfredo. Right next door is the full service restaurant that sells chicken alfredo for 21.99 a plate....and its not all you can eat.

Point Im getting at is that everyone seems to complain about the all you can eat chicken alfredo, yet raves about the $21 a plate alfredo. All the ingrediants come from the same place and cooked in the same pot at the same time. Its only because they are paying so much more that they feel its better in quality, when its the exact same thing.

I find it very easy to believe that this scam could rake in millions across the country by people believing they are getting a bargain. As soon as they realize they suck, there is nothing they can do.
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I was approached while walking into a China Buffet. Me growing up in a rough neighborhood I instantly smelled bs as this is actually pretty routine where I used to live(sometimes you get some real deals from crackheads though). But what was funny was IT WAS ACTUALLY A WHITE VAN. Seriously wtf is this white van enterprise or something? Maybe they could try brown next time to throw me off or something lol.
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Kirsch speakers baby!!! Symphony to the soul

http://www.kirschloudspeakers.com/

BTW do "hard dome" tweeters exist?
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The reason this thread was put here was to inform members here about the gravity of this problem so you can tell your friends and family not to fall for the SCAM!!!
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My roommate walked in the front door two days ago and told me about how he had just been offered a set of awesome speakers for a crazy cheap price as he was leaving work, and was considering going back and getting them. I asked him if the guys selling them were driving a plain white van. The look on his face was priceless
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If your foolish enough to think that you can get something for nothing when it comes to someone selling something (out of the back of a van no less) then you deserve everything that comes your way. There are no free lunches in this world. And if it sounds to good to be true it probably is. Don't be an dumb ass!
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If your foolish enough to think that you can get something for nothing when it comes to someone selling something (out of the back of a van no less) then you deserve everything that comes your way. There are no free lunches in this world. And if it sounds to good to be true it probably is. Don't be an dumb ass!

Yep. How someone could be dumb enough to actually trust those snake oil salesmen is beyond me. But then again, they're probably the same people that think John Edward can actually talk to their dead loved ones, so they pay him $700 for a private reading.

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And what about the poor saps that buy $200 power cords for a $50 dvd player or any piece of gear which makes no difference.
And then they say wow it sounds so much better when a 3-6 foot cord never really matters.
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There arre two pairs of such speakers at a local pawn shop. I guess they arent worth the treble!

I see what you did there....

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I wanna run into some of these guys just to out talk them.

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I love the description DiVinci gives of their company on their website:

"DiVinci is a company that is deeply involved in music and saturated by sound. It remains one of the few significant hi-fi loudspeaker companies with a real pedigree in the pro-audio business. DiVinci is a name synonymous with the faithful reproduction of sound, live or recorded, at all levels. Our exemplary reputation has been achieved through invention and innovation. As it has always been, it will continue to be.

Every advance in home-theater technology demands loudspeakers of equivalent sophistication - and the DiVinci approach gives true audiophiles a choice of speakers which meet or exceed their requirements. And that means pure listening pleasure, every time."


Wow, talk about bullsh*t overload... jesus.

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I run a moving and warehousing business and I am completely enamoured by electronics.

Anyways, about 2 weeks ago I was contacted by Theater Research. They are looking to partner with my company to warehouse their product. Right off the bat I was excited. Business has been slow and the thought of electronics distribution was exciting. That and maybe getting a quality Home Theater system at a discount. LOL.

So they send me a proposal on what they would like to pay me for my services. LMAO. They literally want to pay me pennies for a ton of services. The proposal is absolutely preposterous. I figure this must be a scam so I google Theater Research and I turn up a thread dedicated to this. I'm glad I didn't even try negotiating prices with them. It most certainly would not have ended well for my business and I.

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I guess the moral of this story is if you want to sell speakers cheap, don't drive a white van? Seriously these types of scams have been going on for years. Unfortunately they do seem to be getting more prevalant - or are there just more people? But every once in a while you can get a good deal - if you know what you are doing, and get lucky - both at the same time (I read of somebody finding some B&W 802 speakers in a pawn shop for $300!). In some ways these "white van" things might be good - I'd rather have somebody try to sell me crap out of the back of their van than break into my house and steal my speakers. A sucker is born every day - one day these suckers have to learn to be more careful - losing a few hundred dollars on crappy speakers is better than some other ways to learn this . . . At least the white van dealers don't take credit cards as payment

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This makes me think of the Simpson's episode where they go to the outlet mall to buy a new tv. Homer remarks about all the name brand tv's, at low, low prices, like Magnetbox, Panaphonic, and Sorny.
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These PTS towers look pretty sweet.


What I've never understood about this stuff...is ebay evidently allows this stuff to go on. Do these speakers "work"..just not do what they say they do?
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Yeah, pretty much. They produce sound, and probably as well as cheap HTIB speakers. They're way over priced and the sellers try to pass them off as a respected brand (sometimes even using a name close to a real brand, like Paradyme.)

Most of the eBay stuff is probably people that realized they got scammed and are trying to unload them, or just people trying to unload them and are actually convinced they can get almost as much as they paid for them.

The white van name that always struck me funny was Digital Dogg or variations on that. I guess Snoop Dogg has his own speaker line.

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This makes me think of the Simpson's episode where they go to the outlet mall to buy a new tv. Homer remarks about all the name brand tv's, at low, low prices, like Magnetbox, Panaphonic, and Sorny.

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I love the description DiVinci gives of their company on their website:

"DiVinci is a company that is deeply involved in music and saturated by sound. It remains one of the few significant hi-fi loudspeaker companies with a real pedigree in the pro-audio business. DiVinci is a name synonymous with the faithful reproduction of sound, live or recorded, at all levels. Our exemplary reputation has been achieved through invention and innovation. As it has always been, it will continue to be.

Every advance in home-theater technology demands loudspeakers of equivalent sophistication - and the DiVinci approach gives true audiophiles a choice of speakers which meet or exceed their requirements. And that means pure listening pleasure, every time."


Wow, talk about bullsh*t overload... jesus.

That's some VERY good writing! BS writing, but very good bs.
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This stuff is a crackup. It's just sad people fall for it! I love the Genesis Media Labs site.

http://www.genesismedialabs.com/

Clearly they know home theater, as the four "home theater" setups that keep switching back and forth on the main page have all of the speakers mounted on the FRONT wall . Bet that "surround sound" configuration really makes you jump when you hear the guy in the movie sneaking up on you...from in front .
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Years ago I ran into a couple of guys in Richmond, VA trying to sell me speakers out of a van. For shits and giggles I looked at their paperwork first before telling them I was calling the police to bust them on their scam and a shoving match ensued. They drove away, and since I was the first shover I decided not to call the cops. Still, it was a fun day
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This stuff is a crackup. It's just sad people fall for it! I love the Genesis Media Labs site.

http://www.genesismedialabs.com/

I like their dealer locator. It lists regions and countries, but that's it. No cities or addresses.

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I like their dealer locator. It lists regions and countries, but that's it. No cities or addresses.

Just a little shady, don't you think?
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I like how this review at audioreviews of one of the Dogg Digital sets claims they're better than Bose:

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Summary:
I don't know what this scam is about but let me make it clear I have NEVER heard a better system. So if it is a scam it's fine with me. When I can get speakers for $235 that sound better than BOSE. HAHAHAHA I'll take em.

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It just happened to me on Monday. I was walking out of the grocery store and two guys in a silver GMC Pickup stoped me and said, we just got off a job and have "left over" equipment. Now I already am savy to this so I played along and asked what have you got, they replied "Davinci system". I said "oh a white van special" and they quickly drove away. Never a cop around when you need one!
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I like how this review at audioreviews of one of the Dogg Digital sets claims they're better than Bose:



http://www.audioreview.com/mfr/dogg-...x.aspx#review0

They probably are better than Bose
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Well I feel completely humiliated. I fell for this scam today on my lunch. $160 dollars, $50 in Meijer gift cards and my hat....theirs. Seriously. I don't quite feel raped....but....slightly....raped? Hopefully this system at least works. Whatever happened to just selling stolen equipment out of the back of a truck?
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